Returning to the Game

muffler123 wrote: »

Hello hello guyss hope you are all doing great! I used to play PWI alot as a wizard but i quited few years ago. Now i think of coming back but from what i read in forum wizards are pretty dead now because of the new update. I i loooved i mean i really looved being a wizard so i was thinking of making another wizard as a new start (since ive deleted all of my chars before i quit) But now i am very confused..I was always a PvE player literally never PvPed before. So does the new update affect the way we PvE alot in negatively? Or mostly does it have an affect in PvP? And did our damage really nerfed that much? Because if not i really want to make a wizard again because otherwise i feel like i betray lol.. Btw i like ranged classes so i think of making veno or cleric as an alternative choices. (didnt really liked mytics and pys) Soo i would really appreciate if you answer/give your suggestions and opinions. Thank you already! Have an uper duper super day b:pleased

welcome back

mosly in PvP, in PvE alot less effective the nerf, other side cleric alot better dd now than was before if u want roll cleric

if u do only and really only pve i think wizzard is still same than was before (every class got nice stuff, wizz for pve got 2, mainly 1 skill, the water shield primal skill for able 3rd spark more time)

mid-game wiz is not that bad...

@ endgame we are just the shadow of what wizards were back in time...

all depends on your game attitude, pvp oriented? pve oriented? nws? tws?
your gear goals? r9? g16? r8r?

if you are planning to not reach endgame, go for it

2009 is when you joined the game. Feb 2010 is when you signed up on the forum.

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

mid-game wiz is not that bad...

@ endgame we are just the shadow of what wizards were back in time...

all depends on your game attitude, pvp oriented? pve oriented? nws? tws?
your gear goals? r9? g16? r8r?

if you are planning to not reach endgame, go for it

While I agree that the current state of affairs are crappy, that doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't enjoy playing Wizard, endgame or not.

By the time they make a true endgame build wizard we could well be into another expansion, one that perhaps will bring the wizard back into a competitive position . Besides, you can't assume that being OP and roflstomping everyone around them in PvP is their ultimate objective. We Wizards are more than just red numbers over our enemies' heads.

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

yea well they can surelly enjoy pve wizards ( pve wizard enjoyable? no sustain, no dps ?!?!)

but if they want one day to compete pvp-wise they will have to consider that at very endgame we will undine-hit for 2k-4k and your target will most likely have 20k+ hps

You're right, as it currently stands, but there's still more evolution for the Wizard I believe. Plus you get mad respect from people when you play endgame wiz, because you are a rarity.

yeah, its not so much that they nerfed our power, its that they beefed everyone else up so much, it made us ineffective.
If you read the description on the PWI web page about the different classes, it actually still says that wizzies are the hardest hitting class, and to this i say....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
I believe this was written way back in 2008-2009, as this was the case back then. Since then however, go check the damage rankings, when is the last time you ever saw a wizzie at the number 1 spot by the end of the week? Pretty much every class can out damage us there now.
I think we would have a case for false advertising against PWi for their wording about classes...

Really on the defensive side of things, wizards benefited just as much as any other class did with the new passives, hell there is even an passive that further renders aps ineffective, and that is the passive that will increase >skill< damage. (Both of which transfer into pvp)

I absolutely feel that a wizard is very much so a very viable option for pve reasons.

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

thats a common misbelief
wizard is probably the class that benefited the worse from def passives since we already had both high values of p res and ele res
def passives just added few more 2-3% of damage reduction

while classes like archers or sins that used to sit on values between 8k and 10k passed from 65ish% damage redux, to 15k-18k value that is 80ish% damage reduction (they are getting almost half of the damage they were getting before)

even more ridicolous is the elemental res therefore elemental damage reduction increase for the HAs

wizards overall is really the class that benefited the worst and besides that passives hard nerfed our damage

consider the fact that now we have the lowest base magic damage value, and that base magic damage value greatly overexceeds the damage added by skills

yea we got fvcked there is really nothing you can bring as a counter-argument

Absolutely disagree that you wizards got the complete worse of the passives... melees are effected by it just as much as you are, if not more especially with the anti aps buff on bosses these days.

Your physical/elemental resistance got a boost just as much as ours did. Its not like you casters have instantly become one shottable to every melee out there... especially wizards.

Its not even like your damage wasn't increased by the attack passive, and loads more of magic points your able to put into your stats. I seriously wouldn't be >surprised< that when everything's maxed out, and your still fighting undergeared people all day your probably still pwning them into the ground every which way. (Obviously that 'wouldn't be surprised' is key here... could easily be wrong.)

Really a wizards 'attack' ability wasn't the only one that was effected by the passives, and I absolutely feel its debatable which one was actually effected the 'most.'

I so have no intention of arguing with you about any of this, I focused strictly on pve in my previous post in this thread... wizards are still a very viable option, and quite the powerhouse still in pve... I really don't want to discuss anything about pvp.

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

nice no sense....

bm isnt have better advantage now when with marrow the lacking def side became fixed a bit with passive, its mena if u use marrow what lower ele or pdef then now ur lowered defence alot higher? and this u compare with loss pdef advantage on wizz? gg

btw u say anti aps boss, wtf? a aps char is few sec a nirvy boss, go with caster, how longer than with aps toon? not even compareable how faster the farm with aps compared with caster, idk what u talk about few anti aps boss, since i know not even half not antiaps and even anti aps ur dmg isnt lower into hell because skills boost also this all only pve perspective where aps melees was obviously op/breaker lol

My apologies on the part you bolded, it so didn't come out anywhere near what I wanted it too... got to thinking about two different points there, and tried to make the same point into one.

What I meant was more along the lines of this:

I was thinking more about the attack passive when I said that, a wizards skill damage has always been far superior to that of any melee... with the significant and very notable exception... elimination... still that is slightly besides the point I am trying to make. Even though we all got the boost from the skill damage passive, due to the fact that you all get it too, and have always hit harder than melees... and since the passive remains the same for every class, you all still end up doing more damage on bosses that have that anti aps buff on them. (I am so not saying that the aps phase should come back, but really with that passive you all still do more damage than melees do.) ... ERGO... I absolutely feel that a wizard is still a very decent, and viable option for pve.

The defense passive works in a similar albeit in several different ways.

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While it is true all classes have also had their damage boosted by the attack passive, and the defense passive did indeed boost their defense even more so. I still do diddly squat to endgame casters. Yes... I was using axes/my skills long before the update, the defense passive did help you all, just as much as it helped melees.

You aren't wrong about the marrows, but really it is still quite unfathomably easy to still kill bm's.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

stuff

^ this cannot be the real Silvaf. He has written a post w/o the word "range" b:thanks

who cares about pve anyways? farming 100's of fsp coins/hour is not important.

^ look another post w/o the word range.

undoubtedly not Silvaf. b:chuckle

I already posted PvE Video showing Wizard has insanely high damage out put potential, but you need the right debuffs/decent gear at least (or 2 wizards :O). Damage is pretty much the only thing that a wizard brings to a squad, damage is fairly easy to replace but who cares? If you have bad gear then you won't bring much to the squad at all but its pve... thats fine.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Absolutely disagree that you wizards got the complete worse of the passives... melees are effected by it just as much as you are, if not more especially with the anti aps buff on bosses these days.

Your physical/elemental resistance got a boost just as much as ours did. Its not like you casters have instantly become one shottable to every melee out there... especially wizards.

Its not even like your damage wasn't increased by the attack passive, and loads more of magic points your able to put into your stats. I seriously wouldn't be >surprised< that when everything's maxed out, and your still fighting undergeared people all day your probably still pwning them into the ground every which way. (Obviously that 'wouldn't be surprised' is key here... could easily be wrong.)

Really a wizards 'attack' ability wasn't the only one that was effected by the passives, and I absolutely feel its debatable which one was actually effected the 'most.'

I so have no intention of arguing with you about any of this, I focused strictly on pve in my previous post in this thread... wizards are still a very viable option, and quite the powerhouse still in pve... I really don't want to discuss anything about pvp.

man all the other classes got the same damage buff, the same bonus stats but we have the lowest base magic damage

we didnt get the same boost as you did, cause you should check how damage reduction scale in proportion to resistances value...

also wizard the powerhouse in pve? >< since when lol no dps, no bloodpaint or heals its just soul shatter, that's not a wizard feature doe

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

man all the other classes got the same damage buff, the same bonus stats but we have the lowest base magic damage

we didnt get the same boost as you did, cause you should check how damage reduction scale in proportion to resistances value...

also wizard the powerhouse in pve? >< since when lol no dps, no bloodpaint or heals its just soul shatter, that's not a wizard feature doe

I didn't say they were the strongest powerhouse/it was 'easy' for them to dish out insane amounts of damage, but they can still easily out >DD< other classes, obviously not all classes, but they can still do a real decent amount of damage.

Really the passives did help you all as much if not more than melees (melees damage even with skills has always been an very small fraction of that of a caster, and despite the boost from passives, casters are still hitting ridiculously hard, though obviously not as hard as before, but still real hard. ) >For the record this is meant for both pve and pvp.< (though yes its true the defense passives have really reduced the damage done to each other regardless of which 'side' you are on)

Ergo I repeat wizards are still quite the powerhouse, and a very viable option in pve, especially with what instances are alive these days, granted they wont be dishing out the most damage, they can still out DD others with ease... PVE wise.

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@Shadow

You mentioned nirvy of all places... you could have mentioned... you mentioned a dead place? I mean come on list a place that is actually still TRULY alive that does NOT have a boss with the anti aps feature on it. I think you would be hard press to find it, yes there are a few bosses that do not have that buff on them. (No... no way in hell I want that phase of the game to come back)

Still any class that was already using skills, and has a maxed out skill boost passive, is going to be dealing more damage than bm's for the MOST part, yes bms can get a badass hit that passes some of the other DD's, but that is ridiculously hard for them to do, in other words it is NOT consistent.

As for the range bit, please bms's are a stupid easy fodder for the amount of casters/oped ranged people running around. Yes bm's have their plethora of stuns, but they do NOT have a consistent ability to close the distance, while still maintaining chi to actually stun... its not like they come freely/easy. Bm's are still quite difficult to play and enjoy in NW even after the NH update, though aye there is no denying that the passives have helped, as has the new skill dragon rising, both of which make playing a bm loads more... interesting, than all the constant deaths, while being/feeling useless before the NH update.

I also am more than aware that the pvp part keeps coming up, we are all dancing around it, and I really am trying to avoid discussing very much about it at all. Ergo the vague mentions of anything when it comes to a pvp aspect of the game.

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One more thing, I absolutely hear you all on the 'feeling useless' bit, but that doesn't change my opinion about wizards still being a decent class to play still in >pve.<

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh its him.

I still see the frustration in his posts. That feeling that other classes have an advantage over him. b:pleased

They essentially do, albeit I'll grant you its easily debatable just how much of an advantage that is. xD

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

They essentially do, albeit I'll grant you its easily debatable just how much of an advantage that is. xD

It is completely and 100% a gear disadvantage on your part.

g16 Nirvana is a very very big difference from r9rr and acting like BMs suck when you're trying to compare your g16 Nirvana gear to end-game r9rr casters is dumb.