ok, answer me this question if arc is so good for the game

So much rage but yet you installed it. b:chuckle

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

The amount of stupidity displayed in the OP is astounding.

You realize you can play this game entirely without even having Arc installed right?

I doubt he does. b:laugh
I have uninstalled Arc from chrome and firefox too, I run my life very fine without Arc in my way, once in a while I go and get like 7 blessings and done.

You can play PWI (the old way) without using ARC
There r so many guides and tips in this forum how to do it- all you need to do is not be lazy and search for it!!

Only time when i used ARC is to redeem code/ update after maintenance

theusurper wrote: »

that seems redundant to me, why do something over and over again? they dont get paid if they dont get information to sell. if it is as annoying to you, as it is to me (you remove it) i'd say the server knowing the information is there it just cant reach it is a far more effective measure of telling the owners of pwi no, bad dog. deleting the program still sends the info for the short period it is installed they get paid for info they have, not info they know is there but cant get too. sooner or later they'll put something in the eula about it, but it isn't today

Are you wearing your tinfoil hat by any chance today?

theusurper wrote: »

that seems redundant to me, why do something over and over again? they dont get paid if they dont get information to sell. if it is as annoying to you, as it is to me (you remove it) i'd say the server knowing the information is there it just cant reach it is a far more effective measure of telling the owners of pwi no, bad dog. deleting the program still sends the info for the short period it is installed they get paid for info they have, not info they know is there but cant get too. sooner or later they'll put something in the eula about it, but it isn't today

I never had any serious problems with ARC actually o.o
I kinda did felt lil lag one time so i just decide not to use it. I have it installed always- i mean i don't remove/delete it..i just don't use it.

I log in PWI the old way - elementclient Shortcut-

I never put any money in this game and i never will. So i cant complain rly

Welcome to the internet.

Btw, can anyone explain to me what kind of information the OP (and everyone like him/her) thinks PWI is selling? I'm curious.

theusurper wrote: »

why cant i log out of 1 account and into another account if both accounts are being handled on the same computer. you programming geniuses and your selling point of everything "real time", roflmao. you guys dont get to sell my information, cause i taught my firewall which parts of arc program not to have access to net 24/ 7. i get an error window once in a while when the program tries uploading info, but i can still play the game. now it is basically a useless piece of trash program cluttering my proccessor, enjoy the information you dont get to sell from me pwi.

took me a few tries to figure out which processes could and couldn't be blocked for game play but i got it now. dont just point and click to give dumb *** programs unlimited access to your computer.

1. You don't require Arc to play the game, most of us don't even have it installed anymore.
2. (If) Arc does collect your info it does it no more than every other site you ever visit. Every site generates cookies with your browsing-information for that site, keeping track of personal preferences. (example: Airline tickets online. If you visit the same flight over and over, the price goes up for your ticket thanks to the saved cookies. Remove the cookies from your pc (something any pc-user should do regularly anyways) and you have your original, 'neutral' price back.
3. If you find it stupid a dumb *** program registers such things maybe you should simply uninstall Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer (last one for sureb:laugh ) and any other browsers you might have installed as those 'programs' are also involved in such activities. To be 100% sure, unhook your pc from the modem and go back to playing offline PC games.

Just saying what you gotta do for what you want.



*edit*, as a lot of people here are unaware of Arc and speculating one after another, here's what you would've found using the Search Function first: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1657701&highlight=complete+analysis

Hisiala - Morai wrote: »

Arc is not the only program that once you install it, it opens when turning on the pc. There are hundreds, thousands of those programs. 99% of them have an option to turn this off. Arc is one of them. The other 1% doesn't have, but you can kill the startup process. Windows has a built-in program I think, but I do use another one I downloaded from the internet.

Btw, just like Verenor said, if you don't want your information collected, stored and used, the better place for you is to stay offline. Nowadays there are adds that are specifically chosen for you by checking what you searched online.

All the above is known by me, please do not judge me, by your own lack of knowledge, about my knowledge about PCs and the net. I am an a registered OEM Partner with Microsoft and have been coding, building, repairing and installing OSes since the 1970s. Through long experience I have learned how to not keep cookies for websites, nor to run any software other than what I need at that moment, mind you I do not mind if you all do, as I make a fair amount of cash from repairing other peoples machines when they allow these sort of vulnerabilities due to naivety.

So please do not judge me, by what you know about PCs.
Its rude. b:shutup

Verenor - Morai wrote: »

Nobody judged you, All Hisi did was state facts about programs and Arc being far from unique. But hey let's all state our far extended history that absolutely, out of context, doesn't reflect back in our posts. Should brighten these forums straight up.

You infer in your post I should do further reading by quoting me and I am inferring that the complete guide is not complete, as I know of some processes/services that run in the background when Arc TSRs that are not even mentioned in there.

One other thing I do not care if you believe my history, but I am betting its not the one you pictured when you quoted me, and thats the actual point. b:laugh

Its hard to want to come up with any constructive help, when you post about a particular problem with ARC for a friend/customers PC, in a thread for that purpose that is stickied and shortly after the long stickied thread disappears and you get no replies to your questions, but suddenly see 2 ARC maints in 2 weeks.

Whats the point of posting. b:sad

A simple we will look into it would have been enough, but nothing?

Oh and I know about the ticket system, been down that road once or twice. lol

You would think someone with that kind of background would be more familiar with how things work on the internet. Namely, that nobody gives a damn what you (claim to) do for a living. Other people may say they're not judging... well, I am. I judge by what I see, not by what qualifications you may or may not actually have, and what I have seen is you sounding like an idiot.

Arc is not "dangerous" in the way that you and your tinfoil hat buddy seem to enjoy claiming. I would tell you to crack out Wireshark and look for yourself to see, but you're a "Microsoft OEM Partner" (which, by the way, is a title reserved for organizations, not the individuals operating within them) doing all this fancy work for 44 years now (which puts you at, what, 60+?) so you should already know that yes?

Do I like Arc? Not really, I preferred the old website method for redeeming stuff, and unnecessary programs in general aren't my cup of tea, but other than opening it on rare occasion to spam myself with blessings I never even have to use Arc (nor does it run on startup since they give you a clear option to disable that) so it's not that much of a hassle.

Kindly take your BS elsewhere b:bye

OPKossy wrote: »

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First, you make assumptions again lol,
Where did I state that I am not a member of, or an actual organization.

Second, your guess at my age is very close.

Third, I will point out that I did not point to my history to show you who I am (really, I could have wrote anything or pointed out the rest of my long boring history) once again that was not the point, only to show that you people are quick to judge others without any knowledge about them first, that was the point again lol

In none of this I have claimed Arc is harmful in fact point to one post where I have said its actually harmed anyone,

The way I see it is if there is no issue, why all the lack of answers , if there is nothing to see here then whats wrong with giving an actual answer.

I have made no claims about actual harm anywhere nor that they actually collect information in fact the only question I ever had is, what is Arc doing that requires about 1-2% extra cpu time and constant network data spikes every 20 seconds to the net, even when there are no PWE games running, and then when Arc is completely removed the activity goes and when Arc is reinstalled it begins again and then persists even after the games are closed.

Even the answer, its not meant to do that and we are looking into it would have been enough.
In fact any answer would have been fine.
This is a simple question.

I got no answer as usual, I am not, nor will ever claim to be an expert at anything, no matter what my certificates say, I am just not that stupid. lol.

I will continue to ask the so called experts for advice and wonder at their motivation when they refuse to answer a simple question.

Some things may have changed today but when I did my c++ coding at Uni it was considered poor coding to make a program boot with the OS and then to leave running processes and services after it was not needed, we were taught it is dirty/untidy coding.

I have never said Arc is bad, I even see that it is a benefit for those less computer literate users, and actually recommend it for some people, but when I am asked a question from someone, who I can only give generalized generic advice from personal experience and the net, its time to ask a so called expert, and when you get no answer, you just got to wonder whats going on.

In attacking me you are all missing the point lol

My personal issue.
I get no choice to not install it without workarounds.
Yep its that simple.

In not giving me the choice it shows that, they just do not give a damn about the users personal wants, what we may want, is not important to the Devs and this is the real problem, when the Devs are telling you whats good for you and not listening to what you may wish to pay for in the their game, it will inevitably lead to premature game closure and that would be a shame.

One other thing the way to tell a real expert from the rest is they ask others when they cannot answer a question themselves.

Hisiala - Morai wrote: »

If you say all you just said, then why I had the strong impression you were the classic person with the tin foil hat you claim to not to be?

Perhaps you got more experience than me with computers and coding, but this is a forum. Written words are easily misunderstood because a forum post lack the tone of voice and facial expression that people use to better interpret something that has been said.

So yeah. Very easy to judge the wrong way, no matter what you say.

It's something you did too with my post. You assumed I was raising myself above you and telling you that you wear a tin foil hat when all I was doing was point out a fact that everyone with a little bit of computer knowledge should know.

So yeah. You have been rude to me too.

How are we going to deal with that?

If you think I have been rude, then I apologize, I just get sick of all the idiots running around telling everyone to search and assuming they have not already done so.
I am very sorry if I gave the wrong impression that was not my intent.

One last comment, if anyone has a reason to feel paranoid it would be me. lol.
I have actually been paid $38000 Aust dollars compensation for being locked up 3 times because of a misconception by the State Government of Tasmania and probably have more reasons to be suspicious than most of the conspiracy theorists out there, lol.

Even after all that, I still do not believe in the deliberate personal conspiracy theory and refuse to wear a tin hat.