PWI PvP Tournament [Now with sign-up dates in red]

Using offense/defense index in addition to factoring in soul force (psychic skills, etc.) is probably the best way to go about it.

Edit: Maybe spirit as well. Forgot that's new.

I'd agree with using soulforce + offense/defense index + spirit (if that's not now incorporated into the indexes, idk) as a qualifier for this. It avoids the ambiguity that arises where you might have someone with +12 wep but +5 armor (or vice versa) that completely throws your "gear brackets" out the window.

I'd throw in my votes for 5v5 with a 15-20 minute timer (though I'd personally prefer 10v10 w/ 20-25 minute timer honestly, even if it means you have to expand the brackets a bit).


Also, extremely happy to see how quickly suggestions were incorporated here, and I'm also glad to see you weren't discouraged by the ample amount of irrational QQ being thrown around.

How will the ties be decided?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The one with the most HP will win, if same hp then prolly the one that did struggle the less, example a cleric and archer, if the archer DD non-stop on the cleric and the cleric stand 5 minutes healing himself without DDing then the archer will be the winner. (I assume)

Pretty sure cleric would've been disqualified under the rules. There's a difference between waiting on cds to set up another combo and just spam healing yourself the entire time.

The other thing to note here, of course, is that since you're initially only doing a top-tier thing as a pilot for future PvP events, you don't really need to worry too much about the bracket requirements yet (outside of the potential for a separate server where everyone has equal gear, etc., which I strongly encourage you to continue to consider). Anyone who's too low geared will just get slaughtered anyway and you don't have to worry about putting someone in a bracket lower than they should be in.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The one with the most HP will win, if same hp then prolly the one that did struggle the less, example a cleric and archer, if the archer DD non-stop on the cleric and the cleric stand 5 minutes healing himself without DDing then the archer will be the winner. (I assume)

Sparkie updated saying its no longer 1v1 but either will be 3v3 or 5v5, i was just wondering how the ties will be deicide in a group situation. If it was worked out as a percentage of hp, then if we have 3v3 full hp would be 300% on all 3 players. So if one side has 2 players killed but their 3rd player has 100% hp and all 3 of the other team have 20% hp left (60% total) which team wins? Or if it ends on 3vs1 does the 3 win cause they have more players?

foley3k wrote: »

If you want a true PVP event. Give everyone "event gear" (timed of course) with same refines, and comparable stats to what r9rr is now.. This will even out all the complaints. (Dont tell me you cant create gear, we have already seen the screen shots of the capes.)

You shouldnt create events where the heavy cash shoppers have the obvious advantage.
More time should have been put into arranging this event then coming right out and giving a date. It is obvious there will be complications and people calling shenanigans on an event where more thought wasn't put into it.

If you're referring to the cape currently sitting in my bank, then that item was already in the database. It's been in-game since they've had trophy modes for frost. It's not something PWI developed independently. They aren't the dev house.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

Getting everyone in the same gear and on a brand new server for this event is not possible. We don't have the tools and we're more than likely not going to get support from China anyways.

The dev house is in China and China isn't helping with this unfortunately.

Important to remember, guys, that it's not just about being technically able to make a new server and whatnot for this either -- PWE also has legal restrictions to deal with as to what they can and can't do.


Short of equalizing things that way, the best option at this point in my opinion is a straight 10v10, no restrictions:

Charms may be used.
Apoth may be used.
Genie may be used.
Defense charms may be used.
Gear may be swapped mid-fight.
If you die, you're out -- no resurrection from mystic buff or cleric.

20 minute timer. As before, milking the timer (e.g. by sitting in stealth) results in a disqualification. I would wait until the end of a fight before making a timer disqualification, because sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between that and waiting for cds. Non-stealth timer camping shouldn't much of an issue with a group pk format.

10v10 instead of 5v5 or 3v3 allows for a lot more squad support and coordination, and waters down things like a sin's absurd effectiveness against individual targets or the potential for a 3/5-squad of the top geared people on the server to just roll everyone else without much effort.

Whether you allow flying is up to you -- I can see arguments either way. If not, perhaps consider something like the Tournament map (currently used for the weekly event on Thursday) as a potential "arena?"

Specify a date and time, give people a week or two to submit squads (should include gear descriptions), and then post the qualified squads (removing those deemed too undergeared, which really just has to be a subjective decision at this point).

Those rules are a lot better, and I vote for 5vs5 groups.

However, couldn't you do the even in the afternoon? At 10am most people are working, I think...

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

R999 JOSD + NW gear
Weapon+12, gear +7s

I wonder where those would be categorized >.>;;

Well I'm pretty sure I'm not enough geared to be with the end game people, I don't have NW item or anything, but I'm prolly too geared for the G16 people.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Well I'm pretty sure I'm not enough geared to be with the end game people, I don't have NW item or anything, but I'm prolly too geared for the G16 people.

there are a lot of people that fit into the "too strong for one but too weak for another" category, I'm too waek to fight g16, but thanks to passives i can cruise the lower teirs.

10AM-Noon is frankly an awful decision.... you do realize that most people are working during that time period? Please try to go for at least late afternoon.

Also... 250 gold is ridiculously high as a reward. On Heaven's Tear server, that's the equivalent of handing someone 687 million in game coins. Why not make it 250 event gold? Or 50 normal gold. Or a mount or flyer or something. But please, please scale it down a little from that insanely high amount.

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

For a 1v1 competition, I would agree. Since it's now going to be split among 3 or 5 (or 10, by my preference) people, I'd say it's not that unreasonable.

Well sparkie haven't said anything about the prize been split (or I did miss it), but yes event golds would be more reasonable than real golds or a flyer of the choice btw all the flyers AVAILABLE in our version.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Well sparkie haven't said anything about the prize been split (or I did miss it), but yes event golds would be more reasonable than real golds or a flyer of the choice btw all the flyers AVAILABLE in our version.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

-If we do it this way, the grand prize still remains, which means the winning team would have to split it with each individual.

/5char