class damage ranking.

Stewartboy - Archosaur · April 2014

what class has the highest - lowest damage ranking

Wizard-

Mystic-

Sin-

Psy-

Veno-

Seeker-

Cleric-

BM-

Barb-

HIGHEST-lowest in class damageb:surrender

Joe - Morai · April 2014

Stewartboy - Archosaur wrote: »

what class has the highest - lowest damage ranking

Wizard-

Mystic-

Sin-

Psy-

Veno-

Seeker-

Cleric-

BM-

Barb-

HIGHEST-lowest in class damageb:surrender

Another senseless thread. Its impossible to make an all over accurate list. It dependa on gear lvl most of all. Is it dps or dph? So many things you cant see from your listing...but in any case it doesnt fit...seems more like a pre lvl100 list...if any class would be lvl 80 or something...completely without taking into account aps and procs.

End Game and Dps style its:

Sin
Barb
Seeker

Why? Zerk with the combination of fast following attacks. (Sins before Narbs cuz of The new skills pretty much).

You'd even have to take into account the build of each class. Must be full dmg build (max dex/str).

DPH-wise are r9 seeker unbeatable.

AzureWings - Raging Tide · April 2014

I'm pretty sure you missed archers...but oh well, we aren't the heaviest of hittersb:surrender

Fail_BM - Raging Tide · April 2014

AzureWings - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you missed archers...but oh well, we aren't the heaviest of hittersb:surrender

When it comes to balance, archers are mushroomsb:laugh

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

It depends if you're talking about groups or monotarget
It depends if you limit to selfbuff or not (for exemple Mystics's invigorate)
For each class it depends if sage or demon

And so on

Stewartboy - Archosaur · April 2014

AzureWings - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you missed archers...but oh well, we aren't the heaviest of hittersb:surrender

b:chuckle yah sorry about that, was kinda buzz when wrote.. but this thread is just to see where classes stand at end game with damage.. ik psy wiz and archers are at the top but where do the other classes come in like example do mystic hit harder than venos n cleric

? b:thanks

RankNine - Momaganon · April 2014

my r9.3+10 veno killed fc bosses faster than my r9.3+10 sin (no nw items on the sin, tho).

and putting barb as the second best DPS DD in the game is something that only our mighty Joe would dare to do

brb switching pants.

archers and psys are kinda equal now, at least when both are sage.

WannaBM - Archosaur · April 2014

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

my r9.3+10 veno killed fc bosses faster than my r9.3+10 sin (no nw items on the sin, tho).

and putting barb as the second best DPS DD in the game is something that only our mighty Joe would dare to do brb switching pants.

archers and psys are kinda equal now, at least when both are sage.

Joe is quite right there b:pleased

RankNine - Momaganon · April 2014

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Joe is quite right there b:pleased

was he ever not right? ofc a barb is the second best DPS DD in this game, we all know that.
thats why barbs dont need aggro-skills to keep bosses on them in fsp b:laugh

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · April 2014

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

was he ever not right? ofc a barb is the second best DPS DD in this game, we all know that.
thats why barbs dont need aggro-skills to keep bosses on them in fsp b:laugh

There's almost no barb able to keep aggro from me on my mystic and my mysitc is not even end game, but then it could be that they just suck at their class. b:chuckle

WannaBM - Archosaur · April 2014

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

was he ever not right? ofc a barb is the second best DPS DD in this game, we all know that.
thats why barbs dont need aggro-skills to keep bosses on them in fsp b:laugh

Indeed even with my G16 axe i regularly keep agro standing. When i have my axe R9 too, i think ream will pretty much be a thing of the past b:pleased Im sure Joe and I were thinking about fists though

RankNine - Momaganon · April 2014

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Indeed even with my G16 axe i regularly keep agro standing. When i have my axe R9 too, i think ream will pretty much be a thing of the past b:pleased Im sure Joe and I were thinking about fists though

oh, its 2009 again...go spark on dmg test NPC and SS the log, please :P i will do the same on psy/archer

WannaBM - Archosaur · April 2014

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

oh, its 2009 again...go spark on dmg test NPC and SS the log, please :P i will do the same on psy/archer

sorry i dont really care about the test NPC. It is not about the highest single crit with a 10% crit chance and god knows what cast time anyway. The fact is that indeed with about 15-20% of FSP/UCH squads, i have pretty consistent agro when standing and using my G16+6 hammer and simply activating my macro. That makes me look forward to having an R9+10 axe in these new aps resistant instances.
Of course neither does this prove we are the second best dpser or whatever. I know i have optimised my barb for dps output completely and i use CE to spark as much as i can. But it does prove for me at least that we barbs dont have to be weak DDs.

And it may not be 2009, but aps still is usefull in plenty instances in the game

scruncy · April 2014

well if we talk about aggro and dmg i can say from my personal experience that endgame archers and mystics one the hardest hitters.

You can see this very well on the succubus in fsp. All stand together and then have to spread.
Now you can see who the boss is running after.
Mostly it will stay at me , but then you have archers and mystics he sometimes run after ( hello maribella and sixth). I dont have problems at all with sins ( only if they think they have aggro and dont move b:angry )

The same goes for tw, the biggest hits i will get from archers and mystics. And ofc there is my personal nemesis Kytine....b:cry

I am a str barb btw , if someone wonders.

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

Stewartboy - Archosaur wrote: »

ik psy wiz and archers are at the top but where do the other classes come in like example do mystic hit harder than venos n cleric

That's why I asked if you were talking about groups or just monotarget and selfbuff or not.
And what about skills that reduce HP ?

Psychics have a lot of AOE but I would be very surprised to find a psychic that can kill a "?" boss with a lot of HP faster than my mystic... I don't even think that a wizzard can... (I tested once with a wizzard that thought I was crazy and he was quite astonished by the results despite him having better gear than me at that time)

Talking about venos, it will depend if you only look at pure hit damage or if you just want to know who can be the most efficient (quick) to kill something. -20% HP + amp...

trands · April 2014

Damage ranking - how, what, when, where?

PvE or PvP?
Self buffed or full buffed?
Own debuffs/amps, raw hit or all possible debuffs/amps?
DPS consistent, DPS in 1cycle or DPH?

The answer changes to much according to what you actually want to know.

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

i have pretty consistent agro when standing and using my G16+6 hammer and simply activating my macro.

According to me, aggro is a different story... Mystics have a huge skill that doesn't give any aggro for example and the damage dealt by summons/pets are counted separately in the aggro list.
And as I said skills that reduce max HP should be taken into account.

Joe - Morai · April 2014

Nah xD

That the APS DMG of Barbs (with the right built ofc) exceeds the dmg of a BM by far and the dmg of just g16 Dags sins as well is a fact...I mean a Barb can constantly debuff the boss and with an emperor tome I would end up having around 830 STR due to the r9 set bonus and addons.

But I was actually talking about dps situations with the Axe xD. Although my axe is just +11...I never lost aggro to anyone in fsp and/or UCH. not to Hot, not Alb, not Steelberry, not Preist, not any other char I ever ran these inis. Simple to know why. Barbs skills come really fast. With Bestial Onslaught I'm at a constant 76% crit. I can dish out around 12 skills while being triple sparked. If some of them zerk and 80% of them are surely crits then ofc the dmg is superior.

Its not like Barbs would have the highest dph factor. its just that their skills come fast. Obviously I have to admit that I couldnt hold aggro on max deity sins...their perma sparking ability + elimination out DDs everything and ofc a Wiz and psy would also deal more dmg when the right debuffs are applied to the buf (soul shatter for instance).

Its not all black and white. It heavily depends on the squad setups and on the debuffs that are avaible.

As a notice. I for one deal triple Sparked on the fire boss in UCH with heart Shatter, demon amp, ep, penetrate armor and tangling mire + hf around 2-3,5 million dmg during the spark period.. with perfect timing ofc and average zerking luck. 400-600k hits are common zerk crits then.

PS: Max STR Barbs can achieve over 1k STR points witch would boost the dmg even more...but tbh I love my 200 dex. Wouldnt even give them up if I had no claws to begin with.

PSS: I'm sorry rank that you only had experience with TW Built Barbs and their max vit builts. They surely have a harder time dishing out as much dmg as I do as far as regular skills go. Arma is a different story. Although I suggest you dont underestimate the dmg from STR Barbs as I always thought you know the game mechanics well. Then act like it.

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

Joe - Morai wrote: »

But I was actually talking about dps situations with the Axe xD. Although my axe is just +11...I never lost aggro to anyone in fsp and/or UCH. not to Hot, not Alb, not Steelberry, not Preist, not any other char I ever ran these inis. Simple to know why.

Didn't you use some aggro skills? I mean... I have no experience at all with your build (and don't have time to do any maths now) so I won't say you can't deal more damage to a boss than a BM for example. But the fact that you keep aggro (especially when you're a barb) doesn't mean that you deal more damage than your squadmates

Joe - Morai · April 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Didn't you use some aggro skills? I mean... I have no experience at all with your build (and don't have time to do any maths now) so I won't say you can't deal more damage to a boss than a BM for example. But the fact that you keep aggro (especially when you're a barb) doesn't mean that you deal more damage than your squadmates

I'm just spamming Skills in Humam Form. Although penetrate armor generates more aggro it could be the one responsible for me holding aggro. but its not. I tried it with the same ppl even without the use of PA (someone else debuffed the boss then ofc) and I still had the aggro.

The dmg that barbs van dish out is highly underrated especially on our server but no offense...either we got full vit Barbs for tw or other Str barbs that are not so good skill-wise. But ya. Look at Over_Lord. He's a good bud of mine and always got more att (stat-wise) then me and never managed to get the aggro away from me. So I must be doing something right or anyone else is doing something wrong...I really cant tell.

But Zoldi if you like we can surely test it out xD

Edit: I cant rule out that there might be a possibility that Barbs generally generate more aggro with each hit compared to the other classes...but I really dunno if this is true...would be cool to know tho.

Sevchenko - Dreamweaver · April 2014

For bigass maximum crit i say:
Wizard > Cleric > Mystic > Psychic > Archer > Assassin > Venomancer > Seeker > Blademaster > Barb

Because cleric's tempest hits just as hard as black ice dragon strike and Assassin's strongest skills are split into multiple hits.

Now if we're compairing better overall damage and counting dps:

Demon assassin > Sage assassin > the rest.

JK.

Assassin > Psychic > Wizard > Archer > Blademaster > Cleric > Mystic > Venomancer > Seeker > Barb

WannaBM - Archosaur · April 2014

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Edit: I cant rule out that there might be a possibility that Barbs generally generate more aggro with each hit compared to the other classes...but I really dunno if this is true...would be cool to know tho.

I once tested agro skills and it was simply a set amount of agro added in adition to the damage you deal. + ream and roar increase your agro to equal the player with highest agro first.
This set amount ranged in the 10-20k range for devour, ream and roar and 100k or so for stomp. Dont recall the exact numbers.

This was a while ago though never know what undocumented changes might have sneaked in.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver · April 2014

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I'm just spamming Skills in Humam Form. Although penetrate armor generates more aggro it could be the one responsible for me holding aggro. but its not. I tried it with the same ppl even without the use of PA (someone else debuffed the boss then ofc) and I still had the aggro.

The dmg that barbs van dish out is highly underrated especially on our server but no offense...either we got full vit Barbs for tw or other Str barbs that are not so good skill-wise. But ya. Look at Over_Lord. He's a good bud of mine and always got more att (stat-wise) then me and never managed to get the aggro away from me. So I must be doing something right or anyone else is doing something wrong...I really cant tell.

But Zoldi if you like we can surely test it out xD

Edit: I cant rule out that there might be a possibility that Barbs generally generatIe more aggro with each hit compared to the other classes...but I really dunno if this is true...would be cool to know tho.

I know to you it may seem like a silly question, but still if the bm is hfing, that switch between weapons could mean you generate more aggro faster, not to mention by hfing a bm somewhat nerfs their ability to do quick trip sparks in succession of each other... though they can with apo/a veno passing chi to them, but still that switch and the difficulty of making that second triple spark in succession with the barb could mean the difference in who has the agrro.

So... yea is the bm hfing/with same weapon refined?

Joe - Morai · April 2014

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I know to you it may seem like a silly question, but still if the bm is hfing, that switch between weapons could mean you generate more aggro faster, not to mention by hfing a bm somewhat nerfs their ability to do quick trip sparks in succession of each other... though they can with apo/a veno passing chi to them, but still that switch and the difficulty of making that second triple spark in succession with the barb could mean the difference in who has the agrro.

So... yea is the bm hfing/with same weapon refined?

Oh its not that the BM couldnt dish out evrn higher crits then a barb. its just that the bms skills are way way slower then the Barbs skills. I would go so far that the barb can spamm skills the fastest of all classes.

I dont switch weapons on uch or fsp bosses...always fighting with my +11 r9 axe.

Seriously ppl that put Barbs on the last place in terms of dmg should just study this game a bit more. thats one of the reasons I never write anything here outta my personal view. Anything I write is because I tested it out and not my impression on things. you should all do the same before posting.

Its just too bad that some classes are still bound to some builts. ever tried a full deity, 1k str Barb? You never saw dmg like that. If you compare dmg then everyone must have the same circumstances. either dmg while the boss/mob is fully debuffed or with own debuffs only.

Well it doesnt matter. Instead of ppl posting dumb question and wont believe the anwsers they get from ppl that really are experienced (not only with their own foolish experience) they should just roll each class on a pserver, try them out, and use their exp here. I wouldnt dare to say anythig about any kind of dmg or overall class related topics if I wouldnt have played every friggin class for years.

SoniMax - Sanctuary · April 2014

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

my r9.3+10 veno killed fc bosses faster than my r9.3+10 sin (no nw items on the sin, tho).

and putting barb as the second best DPS DD in the game is something that only our mighty Joe would dare to do brb switching pants.

archers and psys are kinda equal now, at least when both are sage.

Gib meh dat 60+% crit and we will be equal b:victory

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

Joe - Morai wrote: »

But Zoldi if you like we can surely test it out xD

What would you like to test out exactly?

As I said mystics are not designed at all to hold aggro because summons/plants damage are on a separated row in the aggro table and because damage from Absorb Soul are also not added. And if we are in the same squad you will also benefit from invigorate so I wouldn't be that surprised if you win the aggro contest even without using any aggro skill

But what would surprise me a lot would be to take more time than you to kill the same boss. Since mystics are underestimated by a lot of people (and since I know what they're able to do), I understand totally when you say that the only way to know is to test. But on which boss could we test that? The best would probably be a mini WB but it would be impossible to organize...

Toliman - Raging Tide · April 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

What would you like to test out exactly?

As I said mystics are not designed at all to hold aggro because summons/plants damage are on a separated row in the aggro table and because damage from Absorb Soul are also not added. And if we are in the same squad you will also benefit from invigorate so I wouldn't be that surprised if you win the aggro contest even without using any aggro skill

But what would surprise me a lot would be to take more time than you to kill the same boss. Since mystics are underestimated by a lot of people (and since I know what they're able to do), I understand totally when you say that the only way to know is to test. But on which boss could we test that? The best would probably be a mini WB but it would be impossible to organize...

I can propose Silver Frost for high level players with good armor or Yan the Traitor if you don't want to be hit.

Edit: (as training dummies)

Zoldi - Morai · April 2014

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

I can propose Silver Frost for high level players with good armor or Yan the Traitor if you don't want to be hit.

Edit: (as training dummies)

Why not but according to me those bosses are way too fast to kill for the tests to be significant... Same for any bh/fc boss

Toliman - Raging Tide · April 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Why not but according to me those bosses are way too fast to kill for the tests to be significant... Same for any bh/fc boss

I am agree, reading

Joe - Morai wrote: »

...

As a notice. I for one deal triple Sparked on the fire boss in UCH with heart Shatter, demon amp, ep, penetrate armor and tangling mire + hf around 2-3,5 million dmg during the spark period.. with perfect timing ofc and average zerking luck. 400-600k hits are common zerk crits then.

...

May be then only option is to test on world bosses.

Joe - Morai · April 2014

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

What would you like to test out exactly?

As I said mystics are not designed at all to hold aggro because summons/plants damage are on a separated row in the aggro table and because damage from Absorb Soul are also not added. And if we are in the same squad you will also benefit from invigorate so I wouldn't be that surprised if you win the aggro contest even without using any aggro skill

But what would surprise me a lot would be to take more time than you to kill the same boss. Since mystics are underestimated by a lot of people (and since I know what they're able to do), I understand totally when you say that the only way to know is to test. But on which boss could we test that? The best would probably be a mini WB but it would be impossible to organize...

mhm ya could be quite hard to find the right mobs to test stuff like that on. As far as lvl150 mobs go we could take Blavkhole devourerer from OHT1. Surely he got a bit of a respawn time but doesnt have that much HP. We would need one with more HP if we would also like to take into account the sparking and chi gaining ability and how that would affect the time needed to kill these bosses. Although the lvl-related dmg cut doesnt apply to summons/plants I'd still say it would be best to use ? mobs as test dummies simply because equal lvled mobs are nothing anyways.

And ofc I would use my full r9 + my axe for this testing as I would 100%-ly sure deal more dmg with my claws and 5.0 on none anti-aps-buffed mobs.

I also like to add that I'm always using Blood Rush to increase my dmg even more (with fully stacked blood rush I'm at 28-45k pattack atm) but judging from the fact that it is a skill it should be taken into account as well.

PS: There was a time when I thought that mystics are the most OP class there is and tbh. A triple sparked mystic (end-game) is easily able to 2-shot anything under ~23k HP if they dont defend themselves. Dunno how your playing style is with your myst @Zoldi but I tend to use Zooming Thunder Powder alot and then the regular combo. Regularly (even on pservers with maxed out gears) I always have been extra cautions when I saw a myst triple sparking. 2,5x dmg on an absorb soul ist just killer.

Colum - Raging Tide · April 2014

You guys keep forgetting barbs can be built in different ways b:chuckle

For highest single dmg hit, "nuke" it'd probably be:

Wizard > Barb > Seeker > Psychic > Cleric > Mystic > Sin > BM > Veno/Archer

DPS wise

Sin > Barb > Rest

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