class damage ranking.

Joe - Morai

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

You guys keep forgetting barbs can be built in different ways b:chuckle

For highest single dmg hit, "nuke" it'd probably be:

Wizard > Barb > Seeker > Psychic > Cleric > Mystic > Sin > BM > Veno/Archer

DPS wise

Sin > Barb > Rest

not quite. the highest nuke dmg is defenitly a 100k HP ToP Arma. Nothing conpmpares to a max vit barbs zerk crit arma. Nothing.

So depending on the built, Barbs can be at the front rows of dmg listings in the respective categories.

I dont blame ppl for having this twisted view about barbs. Most barbs I met in those nearly 6 years of PWI are complete and utter morons that dont even deserve the term casual gamers. They mostly act as gigantic hitting boards.

The best Barb and a good friend of mine is BigBangBomb from Sanctuary. if you have any doubt about the OPness of barbs he will surely give you some good arguments why Its not an overstatement when I say that he would easily dominate our server if he could transfer to morai and I so would wish you could. Then all those morai lamers would learn what true PvP is cuz he got maxed gears and maxed skill. Thats why I have to hand it to max vit Barbs. Their arma can kill anything and the possible dmg is unmatched...but meh xD I like the dps aspect more

Medaka - Morai

The OP's question lacks details, it's impossible to answer this in every possible case. There's DPS, DPH, where the order differs. And then there's PvP and PvE...

It also depends on whether you count other classes debuffs into this or not. If you're only relying on your own debuffs, it's pretty much based on the better combo. And then not all classes are able to combo as well as the rest. Once again it depends if you count a mob or a player, with or without defenses.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

not quite. the highest nuke dmg is defenitly a 100k HP ToP Arma. Nothing conpmpares to a max vit barbs zerk crit arma. Nothing.

So depending on the built, Barbs can be at the front rows of dmg listings in the respective categories.

I dont blame ppl for having this twisted view about barbs. Most barbs I met in those nearly 6 years of PWI are complete and utter morons that dont even deserve the term casual gamers. They mostly act as gigantic hitting boards.

The best Barb and a good friend of mine is BigBangBomb from Sanctuary. if you have any doubt about the OPness of barbs he will surely give you some good arguments why Its not an overstatement when I say that he would easily dominate our server if he could transfer to morai and I so would wish you could. Then all those morai lamers would learn what true PvP is cuz he got maxed gears and maxed skill. Thats why I have to hand it to max vit Barbs. Their arma can kill anything and the possible dmg is unmatched...but meh xD I like the dps aspect more

Not saying vit barb is bad, but if you're trying to do some damage then I wouldn't suggest you went for that.. Sure you could probably pull something off as a vit, given you have better survivability and whatnot, but at the end of the day you're mainly relying on that arma hit. I don't find it that good to rely on that one skill, seeing as it could most likely get countered and given that you debuffed your target properly, you'd be left with little chi and little genie energy.

I'd say that barbs with some actual damage on their other skills are more of a threat. Simply because they have a wider range of ways to deal damage. They're putting constant pressure on you this way aswell. But it does take a bit of a brain to use since the lack of vit makes them less tanky.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Oh its not that the BM couldnt dish out evrn higher crits then a barb. its just that the bms skills are way way slower then the Barbs skills. I would go so far that the barb can spamm skills the fastest of all classes.

I dont switch weapons on uch or fsp bosses...always fighting with my +11 r9 axe.

Seriously ppl that put Barbs on the last place in terms of dmg should just study this game a bit more. thats one of the reasons I never write anything here outta my personal view. Anything I write is because I tested it out and not my impression on things. you should all do the same before posting.

Its just too bad that some classes are still bound to some builts. ever tried a full deity, 1k str Barb? You never saw dmg like that. If you compare dmg then everyone must have the same circumstances. either dmg while the boss/mob is fully debuffed or with own debuffs only.

Well it doesnt matter. Instead of ppl posting dumb question and wont believe the anwsers they get from ppl that really are experienced (not only with their own foolish experience) they should just roll each class on a pserver, try them out, and use their exp here. I wouldnt dare to say anythig about any kind of dmg or overall class related topics if I wouldnt have played every friggin class for years.

I too have played every class to a smallish extent, (melee classes moreso) but not on a private server, and not all to 100. I even have an aps str barb it did keep aggro better for the most part over my bm in the same aps gear. I have also noticed that when I am trying to tank with my bm while fisting I can NOT hf or use gs to assit the squads damage or I WILL lose aggro... furthermore when I do use a spark + hf combo thanks to ce I cant strengthen my damage with a mire nor can I do anoyher triple spark in quick succession. (Without apo of course) Too me is sad how much of a bad rep that aps/str barbs get shunned as they do.

Personally I believe bms were affected the most by the implementation of the anti "aps" buff.... but yea thats all I'm saying on that bit it is afterall indeed a controversial topic... not to mention its true that they do... do decent damage when they use skills but its hard to maintain an hf every 30 seconds without apsing... but yea... I wasnt saying otherwise as far as that goes.

Stewartboy - Archosaur

hmm so is it wiz>psy>barb/mystic>archer>veno>bm>etc...?

Jaabg - Sanctuary

BM>Rest

Avg dph b:dirty.

WannaBM - Archosaur

Joe - Morai wrote: »

I dont blame ppl for having this twisted view about barbs. Most barbs I met in those nearly 6 years of PWI are complete and utter morons that dont even deserve the term casual gamers. They mostly act as gigantic hitting boards.

b:chuckle Last week i was APSing puppeteer and another barb was reaming him. I asked him not to do that because the one who has agro wont be jailed as far as i know. Sure selfish i dont want to get jailed, but really, it seems better to me that some random tiger barb gets jailed than the top DD.

Didnt notice he was a 50k HP barb (vit statted) or i would have probably been a bit more carefull with his ego as i am well aware that a barbs ego often corresponds with his HPs

He totally freaked out and started claiming he out DDs me b:laugh

Stewartboy - Archosaur

b:chuckle but people forget mystic end game is a squad on their own.. i mean like for abba the first boss if we use our plants+pet we wont be put in jail but if another class try ;p jail time (*dont drop da soap )b:chuckle like my mystic was lvl 90 with cube phy neck tt90 gold AA armor and fc golden weap.. n i solo'd fc sure took me awhile and i didnt do it everytime, but was just to prove a point that mystics r op at pve and pvp people gotta stop thinking of them as a cleric.. they r kinda a hybrid btw cleric n veno's if u ask me so yeah mystics shouldnt be put to side becauz their pets cant tank.

Colum - Raging Tide

Joe - Morai wrote: »

not quite. the highest nuke dmg is defenitly a 100k HP ToP Arma. Nothing conpmpares to a max vit barbs zerk crit arma. Nothing.

Highest hit I've seen discussed about on the forums was 13 mil crit Adroit did on a boss. I have not heard of a barb do that much damage so far.

Stewartboy - Archosaur

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Highest hit I've seen discussed about on the forums was 13 mil crit Adroit did on a boss. I have not heard of a barb do that much damage so far.

13mil crit? o.o who was that guy lol did he got END END END GAME gear?>b:laugh highest ive seen with a full +12 atk+2 was 7m but oh well different server diff stats maybe?

Medaka - Morai

Stewartboy - Archosaur wrote: »

13mil crit? o.o who was that guy lol did he got END END END GAME gear?>b:laugh highest ive seen with a full +12 atk+2 was 7m but oh well different server diff stats maybe?

It was a wiz using BT on a fully (or mostly) debuffed mob. Forgot if it was the dragon near RT or Yan the traitor. Either way as far as I heard sage soulshatter was involved, which is 150% damage increase alone. HF was probably involved aswell as amp, subsea and whatnot~ though without shatter and hf the hit would be 2-3m with the other amps.

He had endgame gear but wasn't deity sharded, so the damage apparently wasn't the max possible.

Colum - Raging Tide

Someone with a good math head could ofc calculate the potential damage of arma vs potential damage of BT but I am not skillful enough for that. b:surrender

WannaBM - Archosaur

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Someone with a good math head could ofc calculate the potential damage of arma vs potential damage of BT but I am not skillful enough for that. b:surrender

Give me a list of buffs and debufs for each and ill give it a try

Colum - Raging Tide

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Give me a list of buffs and debufs for each and ill give it a try

Would be interesting to know the highest damage possible from both, so maxed out gears and passives, vit build barb obviously for the arma purpose with str ToP on genie...

Barb's buffs:
self buffs + Invigorate, base wolf emblem buff, saber rattle

Debuffs on a target with 0 defense:
HF, amp, heart shatter, subsea

Wiz's buffs:
self buffs + spirit's gift, base wolf emblem, invigorate, saber rattle

Debuffs on a target with 0 defense:

HF, amp, soul shatter, subsea

WannaBM - Archosaur

Maxed vit barb standing: 40k + 45%(gear&selfbuff) = 58k HP.
120str TOP: + 90% => 40k+135% = 94k HP.
base armageddon dmg = 2*HP(188k) + 2*MP(3k) +5000 = 196k

crit: *2
zerk: *2
Endless breeze+invigorate: *1.34
130 attack levels: *2.3
HF: *2
Amp: *1.3
subsea: *1.3
Heart shatter: *1.65
Wolf emblem: *1.4 ? or *1.2 ?

196k *2*2*1.34*2.3*2*1.3*1.3*1.65*1.4 = 18.86m

Many things i dont know though. This is best case scenario. I dont know for sure if all multiplyers that i mentioned seperately are indeed taken seperately or if some should be added together. Neither do i know anything about wolf emblem. I just took it for +40% but i dont know.
Barb stats are taken from knowing that 70k in tiger is roughly the max to get now and the attack levels are estimated from looking at myself and adding the improvements known to me. There are endless varyables with the war avatars etc to make any real precise number. also quite more than 120st on a genie is possible, but i kept it a bit realistic.

Asterelle - Sanctuary

Wolf emblem is not a squad buff but you can get a 5% version from the base. It only stacks additively with crit though so crit+wolf emblem: *2.05

There are also those NW pots that increase your HP 10%.

WannaBM - Archosaur

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Maxed vit barb standing: 40k + 45%(gear&selfbuff) = 58k HP.
120str TOP: + 90% => 40k+145% = 98k HP.
base armageddon dmg = 2*HP(188k) + 2*MP(3k) +5000 = 204k

crit+WE: *2.05
zerk: *2
Endless breeze+invigorate: *1.34
130 attack levels: *2.3
HF: *2
Amp: *1.3
subsea: *1.3
Heart shatter: *1.65


204k *2*2.05*1.34*2.3*2*1.3*1.3*1.65 = 14.38m

Thanx astrelle.

Theory craft still beats the record b:chuckle

Zaccy - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

There's almost no barb able to keep aggro from me on my mystic and my mysitc is not even end game, but then it could be that they just suck at their class. b:chuckle

I'm a T3 Cleric and take aggro from r9rr barbs and other r9rrs nowadays... You can get real power out of any class really b:chuckle

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver

Sage heart shatter only gives 50% bonus phy dmg.

I doubt any barb in the game, let alone any char can dph harder than seekers in pvp and pve.