Informal protest against pw

Kevyy - Harshlands wrote: »

about 4 weeks ago.

Kevyy - Harshlands wrote: »

You would have to ask longknife or sparklecat I wasnt in the 2v2.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Oh this should be good.

What lies would those be? I'd imagine WizSoul would probably have a screenshot of it, no? So let's hear it.

If it's one thing I only grow sicker of with time and experience, it's people who want to make claims, but not even do anything to back them up. Incredibly vague statements about things I've done with absolutely no specific reference or evidence are worthless. Put up or shutup.

I'm still waiting to hear why I'm responsible for what happened in Dark or what ""two different lies" I've supposedly spammed about the girl. Haven't seen nor heard a peep from Jackie (not a word in world chat or guild chat, as far as I've seen) either, so wtf. I mean I think Jackie's pretty outspoken himself and had he said something, people would've seen it.

So let's hear it: what the HELL are you talking about?

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Where exactly did I say this?
And Jekel paid for what?

Guild funds were never the issue. I don't think anyone ever claimed that WizSoul did a poor job on funding people; no, she did a fantastic job of funding multiple people, myself included. There was no issue with her "stealing" funds or being greedy or what-have-you typical worry that a third party might expect from the outside looking in.
The issue was sadly incredibly simple and avoidable, yet something she refused to do: she refused to put a personal issue with another member aside for the good of the guild as a collective. She thought herself more important than others and "special" so that she didn't have to resort to the "blacklist and ignore them" rule, so much so that when warned that specifically AIMING to run a certain person out of guild would only result in that person having followers, tearing the entire guild in half all over some stupid personal drama of hers, she responded with "I don't care, I'll rebuild Dark with my friends only. I don't care about TW."

You see, when an entire guild discovers that someone who gladly screams about what a great leader they are would ALSO be willing to tear the guild in half because personal drama > abiding to personal responsibility to 80+ people that follow you, then suddenly you'll witness splits in which an overwhelming amount of people (someone break out the calculator, cause ~120 vs ~6 might -literally- be 99%. NO MY BAD, 4% of the guild followed her, DAMN BIG DIFFERENCE) aren't willing to follow WizSoul, despite any generosity with funding she may be capable of. It's not about money, nor was it ever. It's about knowing that over 100 people are counting on you to run a faction smoothly, but by God you find that ramming that ship of 100 people into an iceberg if it means potentially killing one singular passenger you're not fond of totally worth it, LET'S DO IT I MEEN WUT CULD GO WRONG??? What could go wrong is that the other 99 passangers catch on, say "hey this captain is bat**** insane and would willingly put our lives at risk, let's overwhelm her and grab the wheel before she kills us all."




And I'd still like to know how any of this is -MY- fault since I wasn't even -INVOLVED- with the drama or the personal grudge. All I did was tell her "you're ****ing **** and a **** poor leader if you think splitting a faction for the sake of your personal vendetta is good leadership." Something that her hand-picked officers eventually echoed even after I left. And when asked to pass lead to a neutral party for the sake of re-unifying the guild, what'd she do? Passed lead to her alt.

GG, Leader of the Year 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

That I can confirm it's true.

She got funded by Infamous while been in Dark (she told me that many times) and got promised full JosD for going to Infa. (that she told me a week before going to Infa)

What was her words exactly?

''I got fund from Infa being in Dark.
Already got offer full JosD by Jekel,
his plan is worked.''

His plan worked indeed, though it will cost him a lot of money.

Ask Yuyi what she did offer him if he was following her to Infa.

Then think to yourself that she did that offer to a lot of people.

That's how she tried to get people to follow her.

Lucky for Jekel majority of people said no to that offer.

So go ahead, blame Longknife as much as you want, but think with your head for a second beside your feelings, do you think 130 people will be in the same faction than Longknife atm if he was the reason of Dark dying?

Your BFF is in Sacrament with us, what do you have to said about that? That she got brainwash by Longknife?

Btw, when is the wedding? Didn't she said she will marry you when the packs are in sale? Wedding packs have been in sale for 2 weeks and I didn't saw any announcement of your wedding Charlie.

Longknife wrote:

Where exactly did I say this?
And Jekel paid for what?

Guild funds were never the issue. I don't think anyone ever claimed that WizSoul did a poor job on funding people; no, she did a fantastic job of funding multiple people, myself included. There was no issue with her "stealing" funds or being greedy or what-have-you typical worry that a third party might expect from the outside looking in.
The issue was sadly incredibly simple and avoidable, yet something she refused to do: she refused to put a personal issue with another member aside for the good of the guild as a collective. She thought herself more important than others and "special" so that she didn't have to resort to the "blacklist and ignore them" rule, so much so that when warned that specifically AIMING to run a certain person out of guild would only result in that person having followers, tearing the entire guild in half all over some stupid personal drama of hers, she responded with "I don't care, I'll rebuild Dark with my friends only. I don't care about TW."

You see, when an entire guild discovers that someone who gladly screams about what a great leader they are would ALSO be willing to tear the guild in half because personal drama > abiding to personal responsibility to 80+ people that follow you, then suddenly you'll witness splits in which an overwhelming amount of people (someone break out the calculator, cause ~120 vs ~6 might -literally- be 99%. NO MY BAD, 4% of the guild followed her, DAMN BIG DIFFERENCE) aren't willing to follow WizSoul, despite any generosity with funding she may be capable of. It's not about money, nor was it ever. It's about knowing that over 100 people are counting on you to run a faction smoothly, but by God you find that ramming that ship of 100 people into an iceberg if it means potentially killing one singular passenger you're not fond of totally worth it, LET'S DO IT I MEEN WUT CULD GO WRONG??? What could go wrong is that the other 99 passangers catch on, say "hey this captain is bat**** insane and would willingly put our lives at risk, let's overwhelm her and grab the wheel before she kills us all."




And I'd still like to know how any of this is -MY- fault since I wasn't even -INVOLVED- with the drama or the personal grudge. All I did was tell her "you're ****ing **** and a **** poor leader if you think splitting a faction for the sake of your personal vendetta is good leadership." Something that her hand-picked officers eventually echoed even after I left. And when asked to pass lead to a neutral party for the sake of re-unifying the guild, what'd she do? Passed lead to her alt.

GG, Leader of the Year 2014

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

No idea, I'm just saying what she told me.

Check your pm.

Anyway I'm done with that, Dark is dead, blaming everyone on the planet won't change anything about it.

Majority went to Sacrament, a few went to Infamous, good for them if they are happy there. We all move on and Charlie should do the same.

Wampirewoman - Harshlands wrote: »

b:thanks Thank for the good topic .
Didn't read something like this since Dark disbanded .... qq all went quiet .

On topic:
All in all i would like TW and NW between servers .

Off topic :
Infa doesn't really got much money this season . But all in all seems Infa's coins are a subject to debate , so please don't stop here . b:thanks I wanna read more opinions .

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Curses should think back to how that convo started then. He was practically saying "let me guess, she's full funding Soulfeast?" to which my attitude was "something like that" before explaining what went on. Funding going towards a random sin because the sin is her bestie rather than going to a cata barb because....hey our cata barbs kinda outgeared? That was merely "icing on the cake" to highlight that this woman didn't know a damned about leading a faction. All that did was make her personal grudge issues even HARDER to ignore, because it was clear if we attempted to ignore them, she'd hurt us in other ways.
To make it worse, we're talking about -THE- sin the guild had 20,000 complaints over. She was basically prioritizing someone that, whether she realized it or not, half the guild hated. I know, because I was the one everyone complained to when an issue arose. Hell, I think it speaks volumes that Soulfeast decided she hated ME because I voiced those complaints on others behalfs, and then when she spent a NW specifically trying to hate target me and someone ELSE complained on my behalf calling her attitude absolutely childish and inexcuseable, she was ordered to apologize to me. And how did the apology go down? "I'm sorry, I thought I hated you but it turns out I hate all the people that have complained about me to you instead, like Kurutu." OH OK, so you'll childishly camp ANOTHER guildie next time! PROBLEM SOLVED!!
See, that right there: if we've got a leader who can't understand WHY people might feel more comfortable complaining to me rather than to her and instead invents theories that I'm "brainwashing members" and PMing them telling them to dislike this or that (ironically something she did, and something multiple Dark can vouche for) when the reality is that no, it was simply crystal-****ing-clear that if you complained about her methods or her friends to her, you were suddenly on the s***-list, so people came to me instead? That's poor leadership.
And sure enough, look where we stand: again, I was NOT directly involved with the drama, I was merely the one that attempted to -TALK- to her as the problems became large enough that we couldn't put them off. And where do we stand now? She hates my guts. If that's not evidence that this was not a person that could take criticism but gladly demanded leadership, then I dunno what is.
Alongside that are countless other issues that all added up to it. Favortism with officer positions, favortism with TW leaders (mind you, much of this wasn't neccesarily that the picks themselves were bad, but that the methodology itself annoyed people)....all of it, stuff we attempted to ignore or work out civily for months, but ultimately nothing changed and she rammed the ship into an iceberg in hopes of killing a singular passenger.







Gladly. Ask any Dark and you'll know WizSoul has this wonderful habit of screenshotting EVERYTHING. (that goes for YOUR convos too. IJS if you talk to the woman period? Expect it screenshotted. Must have a damned folder of stuff Jekel said on facebook that was forwarded to me)
As such, I thought it wise to screenshot our final convos in case it ended up with myself being kicked or leaving and she's free to tell people whatever the hell she wants about me.

For example, here: http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab102/aflyingnun/2014-03-0508-34-31_zpsd7ca81c9.png

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab102/aflyingnun/2014-03-0508-34-41_zps30c47a20.png

I have an entire folder of our final convos; normally I'd hate doing **** like this, but given that she does it constantly, I felt it was neccesary to dispel rumors. Hence why I asked Overhealed if he's TRULY certain he wants to bring this topic up; I can back my **** up 100%, I know for a fact that she can't. The screenshots are complete with the exact claims Bella's saying she can verify and multiple statements about how she doesn't give a sh** about the well-being of the guild and would prefer that everyone ragequit and she stays with her "friends" instead of just blacklist the person she dislike, YKNOW LIKE ANY OTHER MEMBER IS EXPECTED TO DO.

The implication is either that you've invited a pathological liar into your guild or Infamous did indeed full-fund the girl (and helped Soulfeast as well). You tell me.





And let me be clear, there's no personal animosity or whatever here. I'm ready to move on too.
However, if I see a lie or a case of delusion? You better believe I'm gonna stomp it out.

JustAllEvil - Harshlands wrote: »

They're no saints either, so perhaps she will fit in.