Nation War Map suggest to be randomly rotated

I've been in Flame and first place. I've been in Frost and last place. In DW, not long ago, Light had a two and a half weeks streak of last place. Being in the bottom doesn't mean much.

i think that will be the case on your server,Because in LC at the beggining Light always have the victory. but nowadays most ppl qq when they belong to that nation.

I think the reason flame loses is more of human psychology to attack downwards. Sanctuary NWs follow a solid pattern of occurrences every week. At the start of nw, flame and frost hammer light, making them the by far last place nation, while dark attacks them both, and ends up being first place for the time being, but mostly attacking flame. After light gets heavily suppressed for the first 40 minutes, both dark and light focus on flame, while frost goes for dark. Come the end of nw, both dark and light will focus on frost who they gave too much ground to hammering flame into oblivion, allowing flame to regain some ground, and everyone ends pretty close to even unless member distribution of strongest tw squads ended up together in one nation, or an excessive number of alts in one nation.
Flame has actually been winning a good deal recently.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think the reason flame loses is more of human psychology to attack downwards. Sanctuary NWs follow a solid pattern of occurrences every week. At the start of nw, flame and frost hammer light, making them the by far last place nation, while dark attacks them both, and ends up being first place for the time being, but mostly attacking flame. After light gets heavily suppressed for the first 40 minutes, both dark and light focus on flame, while frost goes for dark. Come the end of nw, both dark and light will focus on frost who they gave too much ground to hammering flame into oblivion, allowing flame to regain some ground, and everyone ends pretty close to even unless member distribution of strongest tw squads ended up together in one nation, or an excessive number of alts in one nation.
Flame has actually been winning a good deal recently.

Interesting...Here on raging tides our pattern goes more like this.

Everyone gets into NW, people who get flame QQ about it.

Frost evenly attacks both dark and light 8/10 times, but both light and dark have had almost every squad push south, into flame, so frost can take over half their lands while the two beat flame to a pulp by doubling their numbers against flame and always having back up.

Usually, light is the easiest to give way for squads of flame as they pressure the now monstrosous blob of purple that is frost nation, who has first by about 50+ points 30 minutes in. As light pushes, forsts pressure on dark lowers to counter light. Dark pushes a little on light but they are still well faced.

Now with Flame squads hitting light, dark goes straight into our base with 4-6 squads camping flame out, preventing them from going anywhere.

Flame can't go far to the east like that, so more people go against light. Light sees the oncoming threat of flame again and puts all their numbers on flame since flame is at or near their base. Flame gets shot back down, again cornered by light and dark.

Frost regrows into a titan.

Repeat process, dark and light are interchangeable.

I know this doesn't happen -every- nation war, but bottom line is, if you get flame on Raging Tides, you can bet on losing, so don't use too many def charms, apoth, or let your charm tick too much unless you see a miracle begin to unfold. Even when dark or light win, flame is still generally placed last.

I'm pretty sure it's a psychological thing with everyone wanting to push south, or maybe it's the color. All I know is, nobody likes flame. Granted it could be from people being dispirited and therefor not at their best performance. Either way, if you are in NW to win and you get flame, just leave.

heero200 wrote: »

This is an interesting Suggestion / Idea.

Yes it is proven the location on NW affects the winner. On my server mostly Dark / Frost tend to win. Light is normally third and Flame Last.

My one point to make is not everyone ends up in the same nation all the time. The other point is that their was a call to stop people being able to Squad until they where in NW. The idea behind this was to even the numbers better and split the Really OP Squads down.

Im in to minds about this so for now ill keep my eye on this as well.

It is proven... by whom?

No, it has nothing to do. Mostly what that means is you guys just developed a way to collectively attack the same nations upon starting instead of switching nations and stuff like that as needed.

OPKossy wrote: »

The nation stuff is purely psychological because as humans, we tend to associate patterns. It's how we've come to survive and thrive and is something we do on a subconcious level.

Even if this were added in, it's no different from the fact that... ya know... we get different nations each time at random anyways. Getting Flame and it being at the top of the map is functionally no different from getting frost. Except that the former involved modifying what wasn't broken and could potentially introduce new issues.

It's absolutely pointless to have this and I, for one, am firmly against wasting time with it.

More or less this, especially the bold part.

FistToDeath - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is proven... by whom?

No, it has nothing to do. Mostly what that means is you guys just developed a way to collectively attack the same nations upon starting instead of switching nations and stuff like that as needed.

I remember awhile ago, when NW had only been out for like a month, a threat popping up of people trying to explain how the map layout put flame at a disadvantage from the get-go. In the end, it actually proved that with the original NW layout, flame had one of the more ideal setups b:chuckle

After reviewing the arguments im gonna go with...

Flame and Light also have the chat box in the corner. Tho this makes a small problem it is still a problem. Rotating the maps would get rid of the "Dam im in light/flame im gonna loose"

For this im not gonna log as i do think it would add more work to the server than is needed yes ill agree with that. Also since the Nation choice is almost random ( Soul Force Decides ) so that would mean you wont always get the same nation nor will it always win.

A suggestion is worth exploring and a conclusion is always needed!