Frost Splash, Worth it.

Sint - Harshlands · January 2014

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wont deny that I said that, BUT also the case if you're going into AoE one person not in a group setting, that's extremely wasteful. As I also stated 95% of the time Archer's set up barrage on a group or could be using Frost Splash, you'd be going full immune, to get in and get out alive. Still making SoST null in this case cuz you wouldn't get the negative effects. Not going immune to do so is just asking to owned.

Depending on what i'm shooting, i may opt to simply antistun (if there are psys who might have SoSt up) or just BoA (with or without galvanic) and trust i'll be able to save my own **** with my genie if i take hate for it. In tw, however, i usually assume psychics do not have SoSt up. (Unlikely, assuming they take one hit every 2 seconds, chances of them having it up are 1/15, if they're not using SoR instead, which many prefer because it blocks some damage and stops them from getting sniped by newb sins.)

Works quite well with Galvanic. With it, your range is long enough to make anyone wanting to hit you have to move towards you. You can see this, AD to block their CC, and then drop BoA and bolt after 1-2 more iterations.

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear · January 2014

Connera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm not sure where you got 45 degrees in your picture. I'm assuming 45 is correct, so below is a picture to scale with correct distances.

But where did you get that 45 degree measurement from?

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss337/295Conner/redone_zpsd4006da5.jpg

Conner you can't read can you, I said a few posts later that the 45 degrees was wrong and that its actually larger.

Sint - Harshlands · January 2014

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Conner you can't read can you, I said a few posts later that the 45 degrees was wrong and that its actually larger.

Holy **** that escalated quickly. Are your knickers in a twist, son?

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear · January 2014

We all know ConnerA can't read. He doesn't have the skill either though, so he's largely irrelevant with regards to enlightening us on the topic

Here's the picture as updated on 1/21, with the correct angle and general measurements.

Edit: Also - the skill will continue to follow the target if it is still in minimap range, and will continue firing the remaining volleys in that direction (range still appears to be restricted to your archer's range, or distance to the target, whichever distance is smaller).

So the best way to deal with this skill (if you are the target) is to close the gap between yourself and the archer casting. This will effectively reduce the range of the "triangle of doom" and minimize splash damage. Or...you can make our job easier, and run around in circles until your entire squad is dead!

Connera - Heavens Tear · January 2014

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Conner you can't read can you, I said a few posts later that the 45 degrees was wrong and that its actually larger.

The question remains how you managed to come up with any number at all. Did it give any measurement in a skill description? Did you conduct some sort of test? Or did you just think, "Yeah.. that looks to be about 45 degrees."

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

Holy **** that escalated quickly. Are your knickers in a twist, son?

He doesn't like me. I can't imagine why.

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here's the picture as updated on 1/14, with the correct angle and general measurements.

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

45 degrees was wrong

Interesting how 45 degrees was "corrected" to .... 45 degrees.

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear · January 2014

Connera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The question remains how you managed to come up with any number at all. Did it give any measurement in a skill description? Did you conduct some sort of test? Or did you just think, "Yeah.. that looks to be about 45 degrees."

Here's a quick guide for ya ConnerA!

Step 1: Learn the Skill

Step 2: Enter Warsong, bring 5 additional players and position them accordingly.

Step 3: Run test, repeat as needed until enough data is collected.

Step 4: Stop arguing about semantics and maybe become a good archer.

Connera - Heavens Tear · January 2014

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here's a quick guide for ya ConnerA!

Step 1: Learn the Skill

Step 2: Enter Warsong, bring 5 additional players and position them accordingly.

Step 3: Run test, repeat as needed until enough data is collected.

Step 4: Stop arguing about semantics and maybe become a good archer.

The "Yeah.. that looks to be about 45 degrees" suggestion was a joke, so it's quite amusing how you actually did it that way.

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear · January 2014

Connera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The "Yeah.. that looks to be about 45 degrees" suggestion was a joke, so it's quite amusing how you actually did it that way.

You're welcome.

Asterelle - Sanctuary · January 2014

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here's the picture as updated on 1/21, with the correct angle and general measurements.

I think he was just having an issue with the two 30-60-90 triangles labeled as 45-45-90.

I did a bit of testing with the noob version of the skill and it behaves more similar to barrage than I thought. You can cancel it early by hitting escape and if the target dies early the skill stops. Overall though the damage is about the same as two normal arrows but spread out over 2.5 seconds.

I'd say the DPS is nothing special and the debuff is underwhelming. Maybe the AOE size would be the saving grace though. I'd like to try it out on the enemy spawn in TW.

CrimsonApa - Lost City · January 2014

eh if the skill wasnt 2 sparks i wouldnt care bc id actually get a skill from this primal **** thats worth gettin for fks. id prob like to try it too tho i dont got use for demon frost n deadly or w.e **** thats needed.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · January 2014

So although it looks like an extremely situational skill in PvP, that aoe range and size looks pretty epic for Phoenix Valley.. I might get it solely for that after maxing all the passives etc.

Quilue - Sanctuary · January 2014

but frost is very necessary for combining with Stormrage to make people run in place..

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear · January 2014

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

but frost is very necessary for combining with Stormrage to make people run in place..

That is one of my favorite wastes of 2 sparks, just so amusing. Also they nerfed Stormrage making it worse, the metal DoT went from 12k to 1200, I was like QQ useless on invoked barbs now too.

Sint - Harshlands · February 2014

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is one of my favorite wastes of 2 sparks, just so amusing. Also they nerfed Stormrage making it worse, the metal DoT went from 12k to 1200, I was like QQ useless on invoked barbs now too.

You actually waste 225 chi that way, not 2 sparks.

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear · February 2014

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So although it looks like an extremely situational skill in PvP, that aoe range and size looks pretty epic for Phoenix Valley.. I might get it solely for that after maxing all the passives etc.

Unfortunately the cooldown time is what bites the most..especially if your PV runs are fast enough, you're only getting to use the skill once in each instance

I'll typically pull the entire first half, pick a bloodpython master in the back-line and hope it lives long enough to kill 80~90% of the group. Following it up with a single wingspan is usually enough to clear any stragglers that survived.

Leni - Raging Tide · February 2014

So, what if your target (X) is 20 mts away from you and there's another enemy (Y) 5 mts behind your target:

Archer <

20m

> (X) <---5m---> (Y)

Enemy "Y" and everyone standing behind Enemy "X" recieves no dmg?
Or everyone within 32-34 mts and a 45 degree angle with "X" being in the middle of the angle gets dmg?

Quilue - Sanctuary · February 2014

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

You actually waste 225 chi that way, not 2 sparks.

But there's a chance to only waste 175 chi!

I still want to know if this thing purges though. 5 rapid waves of AOE with chance for purge might be kind of nice in certain situations.

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear · February 2014

Leni - Raging Tide wrote: »

Enemy "Y" and everyone standing behind Enemy "X" recieves no dmg?

^ That is what happens

Verenor - Morai · February 2014

Leni - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, what if your target (X) is 20 mts away from you and there's another enemy (Y) 5 mts behind your target:

Archer <
20m
> (X) <---5m---> (Y)

Enemy "Y" and everyone standing behind Enemy "X" recieves no dmg?
Or everyone within 32-34 mts and a 45 degree angle with "X" being in the middle of the angle gets dmg?

Sakujyo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

^ That is what happens

Wait so you can't hit several players at once when they hide behind eachother? What's the use of this in PV/big pulls of mobs then if only the first row gets hit? You sure that's right?

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Verenor - Morai wrote: »

Wait so you can't hit several players at once when they hide behind eachother? What's the use of this in PV/big pulls of mobs then if only the first row gets hit? You sure that's right?

When doing full/double/big pulls your target is usually the 1st one you aggro'ed which is toddling along right at the back of the group of mobs. At the moment I wing span so wait a bit for the mobs to collect on me, condor if I need to.

Though if you are stationary during cast time kinda same thing so a bit meh.

Senel - Dreamweaver · February 2014

I just got the skill and I gotta say it's totally **** the skill does not hit very hard what so ever. I was hitting a wizzy for 800-1400= 5200 damge with the toal 5 volleys it says. Da *** is that?? im r9 3rd cast +12 and I hit that damage? The skill does not seem to be 850% like it says for demon version and the skill clearly says it reduces movement speed by 80%, that's a complete utter BS cuz I tested it in duels nor it seals either. The skill is utter **** and not worth it at all.

Socqar - Lost City · February 2014

Senel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just got the skill and I gotta say it's totally **** the skill does not hit very hard what so ever. I was hitting a wizzy for 800-1400= 5200 damge with the toal 5 volleys it says. Da *** is that?? im r9 3rd cast +12 and I hit that damage? The skill does not seem to be 850% like it says for demon version and the skill clearly says it reduces movement speed by 80%, that's a complete utter BS cuz I tested it in duels nor it seals either. The skill is utter **** and not worth it at all.

Good news then, now we can QQ with facts U.U

Could you record some videos of duels, or do dmg tests comparing normal hit, some skill, barrage, and frost splash? Just for the sake of having some numbers, we're EA's... we love numbers!

One more reason to focus on passives and not even bother to get any of the uprages but Winged shell, 1500 dmg YAY! U.U

Senel - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Socqar - Lost City wrote: »

Good news then, now we can QQ with facts U.U

Could you record some videos of duels, or do dmg tests comparing normal hit, some skill, barrage, and frost splash? Just for the sake of having some numbers, we're EA's... we love numbers!

One more reason to focus on passives and not even bother to get any of the uprages but Winged shell, 1500 dmg YAY! U.U

I dont have a program to record but the skill seems to only do those debuffs on PVE not PVP not to mention the damage sucks. And oh and winged shell? I need 2 more bloods to get it but after realising how **** it is it's not worth it rather get passives.

Socqar - Lost City · February 2014

Senel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I dont have a program to record but the skill seems to only do those debuffs on PVE not PVP not to mention the damage sucks. And oh and winged shell? I need 2 more bloods to get it but after realising how **** it is it's not worth it rather get passives.

WTF so it works as we thought, BUT only in pve? O.o So we got a new OP super trupper PVE skill (inb4 no-one uses it and we all barrage? O.o)

About winged shell, well... who knows, perhaps it will help somehow I don't understand help us

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Senel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just got the skill and I gotta say it's totally **** the skill does not hit very hard what so ever. I was hitting a wizzy for 800-1400= 5200 damge with the toal 5 volleys it says. Da *** is that?? im r9 3rd cast +12 and I hit that damage? The skill does not seem to be 850% like it says for demon version and the skill clearly says it reduces movement speed by 80%, that's a complete utter BS cuz I tested it in duels nor it seals either. The skill is utter **** and not worth it at all.

Wow that sucks, thanks for taking one for the team! Who was the wizzy?

Oh and lvl 6 def passive on Saturday b:chuckle

Socqar - Lost City · February 2014

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow that sucks, thanks for taking one for the team! Who was the wizzy?

Oh and lvl 6 def passive on Saturday b:chuckle

FU, with that you'll be able to run 10x pv's as you won't even tick in a full pull lol

And btw, TY the guy who tested Frost splash (forgot to thank!)

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Socqar - Lost City wrote: »

FU, with that you'll be able to run 10x pv's as you won't even tick in a full pull lol

And btw, TY the guy who tested Frost splash (forgot to thank!)

Lol with spirit of defence and base buffs the only time I tick in pv is when I stop to respond to something in fac chat b:chuckle

Max pv's per token I think will always be 8, limited by aggro range and max speed. I don't do full pulls as I don't have dreamchaser necklace, so just run wing span run and w/o using speed apo I get 6-7 per token comfortably.

Though if we ever do get 3rd awakening with a def passive of 80% that will be pretty epic. Anything to nerf a veno's purge is a win in my book. b:thanks

Although I realise the same applies to ours..

Quilue - Sanctuary · February 2014

Does it purge?

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear · February 2014

Senel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just got the skill and I gotta say it's totally **** the skill does not hit very hard what so ever. I was hitting a wizzy for 800-1400= 5200 damge with the toal 5 volleys it says. Da *** is that?? im r9 3rd cast +12 and I hit that damage? The skill does not seem to be 850% like it says for demon version and the skill clearly says it reduces movement speed by 80%, that's a complete utter BS cuz I tested it in duels nor it seals either. The skill is utter **** and not worth it at all.

Okay lets take the time to read the skill, its 850% of WEAPON DAMAGE. If you don't know what that means. Here's how it works, you average your weapon damage, so my r9s3 +12 bow has a low end of 2722 high end of 3931. So a total of 6653 then divided by two cuz you added two numbers to arrive at that one, so 3326.5. Which is then multiplied BY 850% which is 28,275.25. That number is then divided by the 5 intervals of Frost Splash. Which is 5655.05, then resistances and def lvls and all that other fun stuff is calculated. So yeah the damage is ****, but its really good for PV also due to its stupidly large AoE. Yay we learned things today.

Also at Quilue, yes it can purge it says in the skill it will proc weapon effects. So Spirit Blackhole will proc on the skill.

opkossy · February 2014

XShadowshotx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also at Quilue, yes it can purge it says in the skill it will proc weapon effects. So Spirit Blackhole will proc on the skill.

Have you actually purged with it?

Aim low claimed to be a stun for years, the winged pledge + wingspan merge claimed to knock back player targets, currently demon sin skills are claiming to have the same effects as their sage counterparts, and this is barely the tip of the iceberg for unreliable skill descriptions.

I have very little trust in the effects ingame skill descriptions claim until tests prove them accurate for good reason.

Frost Splash, Worth it.

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