TW's

Guys i still don't understand why do u think we are upset or something .

Infamous already showed that is the strongest in 1 v 1 .

Also yeah we won 2 seasons in a row . We already knew that this is the only way to stop Infa from getting the 3rd season .

Tho it's nice cos there are no problems in guild cos we don't get the season .
People don't rage or leave or qq .

And all in all it's quite funny cos we can decide who wins the season . Either Dark or Crimson . So no matter how much qq or satisfaction u show on forums , still Jekel and TW people decide who wins the season , with all ur stacks and plans .

Also it's nice to claim that we qq or rage and other similar stuff , cos ofc u know from your friends . Tell ur friends that inform you to check our gc and vent more often . It's quite a relaxing guild .

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

The only thing infa has proven so far is that they have the most numbers and gear. If you guys could *actually* win 1v1's or small-scale party pvp's, then your statement would be true, but in reality that usually hasn't been the case.

Also, kinda pathetic to basically say, "we lose, but we're gonna take someone down with us, that means we still win!" WTH kinda logic is that? What did you expect would happen if the server decided to stack you?

Well, at least you admit that you're basically choosing to let Crimson win the season, despite the fact that they've screwed the server many times, and haven't even given you a decent, fun TW.

Good Job. Crimson thanks you.

!1st of all TW is easy : VICTORY or DEFEATED . No one cares about fire power and w/e excuse u try to insert there .
And i didn't claim if we take down Dark with us we still win . It's just a funny situation cos Infamous can decide who wins TW season . And now Crimson is a pretty princess ....jelly?
Why do u even try to twist my words?
Don't read between lines ... just read the lines .

And for JackieK or w/e .... Jekel's reply to u applies now also .

Wampirewoman - Harshlands wrote: »

Guys i still don't understand why do u think we are upset or something .

Cause we know how the core react when they don't win.

Aftershocks - Harshlands wrote: »

I just found this... lol Why is there a qq/troll thread? Who cares, its a game :P

I dunno, apparently we should cry cause we won't be #1.

Be #1 sounds like a big deal.

I keep reading that Infamous cant defend stacked wars.
Who can successfully defend multiple stacked wars? (notice how silent it got)
Id like to see Crimson legitimately defend against Infamous, Dark, and Mayhem all at the same time.
or Dark legitimately defend against Infamous, Crimson and Mayhem all at the same time.
or Mayhem legitimately defend against Infamous, Crimson and Dark all at the same time.

The out come will be the same. The person being stacked will lose. So argument over on that one. No one will try to do it though because the massive ego of players will get in the way. Dark and Mayhem can't let go of Crimson's teet long enough (Yes both Dark and Mayhem. Dark is essentially a stack donkey for Crimson now, agreement or not, it is what you are doing) to actually step up and try it though.

Infamous has a core group of players that play very well together. 1 vs 1, they are better (majority of the time) then everyone.
No matter what infamous does, they wont be liked by other people or be accused of QQing.

You guys think it will be any different if Crimson, Dark or Mayhem took over the map or dominated a TW season? It will be the exact same, with the exact same people crying over it.

foley3k wrote: »

I keep reading that Infamous cant defend stacked wars.
Who can successfully defend multiple stacked wars? (notice how silent it got)
Id like to see Crimson legitimately defend against Infamous, Dark, and Mayhem all at the same time.
or Dark legitimately defend against Infamous, Crimson and Mayhem all at the same time.
or Mayhem legitimately defend against Infamous, Crimson and Dark all at the same time.

The out come will be the same. The person being stacked will lose. So argument over on that one. No one will try to do it though because the massive ego of players will get in the way. Dark and Mayhem can't let go of Crimson's teet long enough (Yes both Dark and Mayhem. Dark is essentially a stack donkey for Crimson now, agreement or not, it is what you are doing) to actually step up and try it though.

Infamous has a core group of players that play very well together. 1 vs 1, they are better (majority of the time) then everyone.
No matter what infamous does, they wont be liked by other people or be accused of QQing.

You guys think it will be any different if Crimson, Dark or Mayhem took over the map or dominated a TW season? It will be the exact same, with the exact same people crying over it.

Finally , a smart post.


As for Burnout, we can beat Crimson 1v1 aswell, if you werent online before dark had started attacking us too, we attacked and defend crimson one weekend before the stacks started. b:pleased

we're losing? o.o

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Sorry, but I can guarantee you that if you bid Crimson your faction will be wiped off the map.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Exactly. Infa atm has no choice but to run away from Crimson atm and bid Dark. Stacked wars vs Crimson would crush them.

Also, your argument doesn't really hold water, because Infa atm has the most active players, as well as the best gears. Dark has no choice but to stack with other guilds to win vs Infa.

So Infamous has the best gears and the best attendance but Crimson would crush them? Wat.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Make up your mind. When you're winning, you tell us to stack with other guilds. When we do stack, you call us idiots for stacking.

All you really want is easy money and gear progression by being the fotm bandwagon guild. The only question is, why are you getting all this gear? Are crystal rushes really worth playing the game like this? There are far better things to do with your time ( I would argue that Dark is having much more fun by actually pk'ing and having pk support/messing around in world pk, instead of Infa trying to manipulate the entire server so they can have a steady income while not really doing anything with their gears).

The only Infa player I actually saw "using" their gears outside of crystal walk TW's in ShootnBlanks. No one else really comes to mind. Jekel used to pk somewhat until his gear wasn't OP anymore, then he disappeared.

Dark plays for the fun but they make massive threads on forum complaining they get tws with other people in them. I've never seen Dark win a pvp fight where they didn't massively outnumber/outgear everyone on the other side, so that seems a bit ironic. For reference, Longknife's Happy National Day video (seems like the height of Dark pvp to me). Also, i don't see why you'd be accusing Foley of being in the fotm bandwagon guild. I'm fairly certain he's not. TBH, it sounds like an ad hominem.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

In reality, Infa didn't really decide who won. All they did was realize Dark was stacking them and caused them to lose lands, and so started bidding on them in retaliation. There is no way infa can bid Crimson - you guys would get absolutely crushed (and, in fact, you actually lost a TW ON PURPOSE just so you could run from Crimson). So you don't have a choice. You're really just doing the only action left, after being cornered.

Ok, so, since Dark is complaining about attendance problems, and because it simplifies matters, let's assume nobody else has attendance problems. Then, you ask Infamous to defend a 3 way stack 'cause else they aren't pro. So you're basically telling Infamous to make attendance problems for itself, get outnumbered in every war, and lose all of them. That sounds a bit dim, doesn't it?

It seems like a fairly good idea to sacrifice a land to make your 3 way stack a 2 way stack with the weakest 2 guilds (by your own admission), especially if you don't have the people to defend that land anyway. Now Crimson took a land from Mayhem, and from LW's posts, there might be some change in things, all of which is much more interesting than Dark going "QQ y u no have less people? Y u no split forces to lose?"

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

You're not "deciding" anything, it's just something you're telling yourself. So stop trying to delude yourself into thinking you somehow control the destiny of the server or something, because you don't.

Ok darling, here's how you decide things: you make a choice that causes other things to happen in a certain way. So, say, for example, Infamous attacks Dark, (and Dark cries about it, but that's irrelevant) and since they don't lose, that means Dark loses, which means Dark becomes progressively less likely to win TW season.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

So far the only thing I've really seen you do is post bitter sounding insults at anyone and everyone. I would call that raging. Don't you have anything better to do than sticking offhand insults into every single post you make?

I do, but apparently you don't read those. NMP. Also, saying there are bad players in dark is hardly insulting.

For the record, TW has been pretty pointless ever since the 6 month reset was put in. It's now about who can collect the most money then afk with their l33t gears instead of having fun and PK'ing.

Dark wins in pvp because when we call for pk, we instantly get multiple people coming. The people who show up for pk are also the people who show up for TW. This is not true with any other guild on the server. Every single other guild would rather run and pve, then afk until TW so they can collect their free money. This is why HL is the most boring/inactive server.

I don't even really bother showing up for pvp anymore, because I know it would just be 7-8 dark vs the 1-2 infa/crim/BKG/mayhem that actually bother to fight, usually Hoombak.

It's sad when the only person on the server not in Dark who actually pk's regularly is a Psy who camps white voodoo 24/7.

I'll hit my 2 cents here.

So the main argument for all the rage is that Infa=Catalyst=Zulu must die.

Ok let's say it is, why was zulu so hated by server? Most important reason was the RPK policy that didn't give a damn about what others think. So Crimson was considered "the good faction" cuz of the "everyone get in my safelist policy", dark didn't even exist, instead there was kylin and some others.


Now let's put it into perspective:

Crim+Dark+Mayham+Scrubs finally got togheter to stack infa +1
Those principles of integrity went down with it -1

- Crimson had to change it's Pk policy to get with the times, but in the process he lost a part of it's integrity by allying with everyone possible just to survive on the tw map(ignoring the principles the faction was so long based on) at least by ashez time they didnt go for scrubs to fill lands, but tried to find another challenge that was more for their lvl.

- Dark went from a decent faction with some respect, into a conglomerate of ego driven fanatics that embrace the "Dark rulz! we are the best! policy" of longlegs and chaosbaibai (yes mani is just there as a idk random puppet to hit blame on for soul), and you guys sure like to show of on wc and forums (im talking about recruiting "everything" doesn't matter what that person can do - for reference see 117 and his wife (and i hope i dont get it wrong - stormy? the 105 r9 with lvl 1 skills), and engaging in a trash talk fobia) - basic principle: we do what we must do to win (but if we dont win, no worries we have "nuema portal" and "walls of text" to cover it), those "challenging tw's that we need are there only if we win, if not well scrubs lands ftw"

- Mayham - well mayham has the best strategy and a big +1 for it. Sit, relax gather funds, and laugh of general server drama. This is an excellent tactic (and there is no irony there), but i think you'll have big difficulties in the future, if u want to recruit OP players to actually appear as a stake in the TW politics. But for now, in the purpose of gathering lands and funds this is best. You're problem will be when u'll have to step into the drama fest.

- Infa - well you have a big problem, and that is shown by inactives. why the hell do you guys keep all those 104-105's (yes after days of expansion when every active and their mother went reborn) and those scrubs that don't attend tw? they are clearly just a dead waste for your faction. The only explanation i see in this is that you're recruitment officers just dont have what to recruit anymore, and you're keeping them there just to show u have 190+, when in reality 30% of those are either used for multi nw farming or just sit there and gather dust.

- Scrubs - even with low OP's you're making a difference cuz by joining either of these factions in tw, you can distract a part of their enemies resources in a stack war. its not a menace but when dealing with low sign ups on either of them, every resource matters

In the end:

From my point of view there are not enough active attending members in all of the main factions, and basically the TW depends entirelly on which faction can get more ppl in that specific timeframe.

All are now rpk, all want to win, the only difference is that from what i see at this point Infa didn't kill their integrity by hoping into random alliances and doesn't have the "win at all costs" tactic.

At this moment:

Crimson became puppet 3 times in a row (Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me, Fool me 3d time well im just a donkey)

Dark became the flame center of ego driven fanatics.

Infa just doesn't want to recognize it got old and even if they have the knowledge they lack ppl.

Mayham, well their like mystics, nobody knows or care about them, till u hit them, then the QQ starts.

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Again, all I see here is players complaining that Dark ****ed up and now they are gonna get screwed over and let other factions win because the #1 faction doesn't like them. Apparently, because Dark decided to go after real TW to actually enjoy a game rather sitting on the map with coin is all of a sudden "a bad decision".

TW Versus Dominio when your stack didn't bid is not called real TW. Is that simple!

If Infamous's "strategy" was to "ally" with other TW factions on the server so they can just sit on half the map enjoying the coin for their lovely core and they REALLY did not expect to be stacked by multiple factions....how long did you think that would last? Honestly if Harshlands really allow Infamous to win TW without so much as lifting a finger then there really is no reason to play this game.

And you say that after how many seasons of win? And you were in infa, so was i, and from what i recall you know the deal, you also know the moto: nobody gives a **** about the tw coins (it's a known fact that any faction on this map invest the big coins in it's core, and if there's leftovers goes for the rest). when infa bids other than crim or dark more than 60% of the sign ups goes down the drain, what does this show? no one wants scrubs wars.

From this point on it's pretty obvious that Dark will still maintain guild funds (attacking Dominio for example and defending Infamous wars) while being stacked by Crimson and Mayhem. So I still don't see how Dark isn't getting funds at all while Infamous's revenue is dramatically being reduced over time?
That is true, for the moment but that will change when u run out of scrub wars

The server has united together to fight the TW champions of the last 2 seasons, and that's a fact and also a strategy. This happens in the real world as well. Just because you guys now have to work to win your spot on the map after enjoying the map for so long is plain ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. After Infamous's response I really don't see why Harshlands won't continue stacking them while other factions progress with continued revenue over Infamous; but this is just speculation anyways.

That is also true, but since when dark wants the "knight in shinning armor" title, that crimson has achieved so long ago (and lost along with it's leader)? trash talk+ego=/=respectable guild; they just dont go with it. And in what real world u seen 2,3,4,-x allying to hit 1? give me 1 example. 2 and 3 allying to beat 1 is normal, but thats about it

slamstone wrote: »

TW Versus Dominio when your stack didn't bid is not called real TW. Is that simple!

Like I said, defending Infamous and attacking Dominio.

slamstone wrote: »

And you say that after how many seasons of win? And you were in infa, so was i, and from what i recall you know the deal, you also know the moto: nobody gives a **** about the tw coins (it's a known fact that any faction on this map invest the big coins in it's core, and if there's leftovers goes for the rest). when infa bids other than crim or dark more than 60% of the sign ups goes down the drain, what does this show? no one wants scrubs wars.

When did I mention asking for coin? Also, yes, I was in Infamous. But throughout the whole time I was in full time school and work so I hardly attended TW. I left during their 2nd season of win so I guess I'm saying this after their first season? I still don't see your point.

slamstone wrote: »

That is true, for the moment but that will change when u run out of scrub wars

By that time how many maps do you think Infamous will hold if the stack continues? And how long til map reset? You need to consider these factors before you make assumptions.

slamstone wrote: »

That is also true, but since when dark wants the "knight in shinning armor" title, that crimson has achieved so long ago (and lost along with it's leader)? trash talk+ego=/=respectable guild; they just dont go with it. And in what real world u seen 2,3,4,-x allying to hit 1? give me 1 example. 2 and 3 allying to beat 1 is normal, but thats about it

I don't believe Dark is trying to be a "knight in shining armour", hence why the Server started calling us DarkInfamous?

Also are you joking? "in what real world you see 2,3,4,-x allying". This happens EVERY day by businesses. For example, a supplier signs a contract to only distribute to one particular retail store and prevented by the written contract to supply to their competitor as well due to possible leakage of information. Or, a large company "acquires" smaller companies to develop a stronger competitive advantage than their competition. Big example: Facebook buying Instagram. Hope I enlightened you!

So why infamous ppl post so much **** here or on in wc if they don't сare that they won't win the season? You created guild that is impossible to beat 1v1 so logical answer is stack. Why u QQ about it, especially when u literally asked the server to stack u previous seasons.

We are perfectly beatable 1v1. I don't know why everyone tries once or twice and then goes "OMFG WE CAN'T BEAT THEM! STACK!" every single time.

Chevalier wrote:

From this point on it's pretty obvious that Dark will still maintain guild funds (attacking Dominio for example and defending Infamous wars) while being stacked by Crimson and Mayhem.

Doing nothing but attacking guilds much lower on the totem pole is a pretty good way of losing people after awhile unless your guild is Mayhem.

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Also are you joking? "in what real world you see 2,3,4,-x allying". This happens EVERY day by businesses. For example, a supplier signs a contract to only distribute to one particular retail store and prevented by the written contract to supply to their competitor as well due to possible leakage of information. Or, a large company "acquires" smaller companies to develop a stronger competitive advantage than their competition. Big example: Facebook buying Instagram. Hope I enlightened you!

Yes. Beautifully so. You've drawn a perfect analogy of how managers play the game of life using everyone else as peons, and cashing out when it becomes convenient for them. Or were you trying to draw an analogy on how you're seeing this game as a job? I'm confused...

Either way, it's not something that'll add to everyone's fun. If you end up having fun at everyone else's expense, then sooner or later you'll just be playing alone.