The class that can QQ about update

<sarcasm>Devs considered us to be too OP to give us something decent. We can 1shot ppl, everyone runs from us or immunes as soon he sees us, we have 2 branch of damage, physical and magic, we have pets to assist. What else do you want?</sarcasm>

Venos are the reason why everyone else can't have nice things like buffs.
Venos pls.

Mazumii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you guys have hercs and pheonix, can solo just about anything and farm to make a **** ton of coin

Is this the reason many venos have alt sins and/or BMs to "solo everything"? b:laugh Hello! 2009 year passed long ago.

Mazumii - Dreamweaver wrote: »

maybe your just a fail veno then or maybe to lazy to learn your class

There are no bosses in HH I cannot solo with my veno (solo = self buffed, without help of any alts), but if you do full 3-3 solo with veno only in at least 2 hours, fraps and show us how pro you are, I will admit I'm a fail veno who has no clue how to play her class b:laugh

killeresras wrote: »

That was dumb comment (opinion). Barbs can purge they do it plenty. Archers can purge doing a lot more dmg at the same time. Venos can purge. Was buffs all you could think of? Buffs are a luxury not a necessity as most of them are given by other classes

Pretty sure he's not being serious. b:chuckle

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

<sarcasm>Devs considered us to be too OP to give us something decent. We can 1shot ppl, everyone runs from us or immunes as soon he sees us, we have 2 branch of damage, physical and magic, we have pets to assist. What else do you want?</sarcasm>

oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi oi....... Venos are OP end of story.

while they are not super balanced like archers and seekers, venos do have a pretty nice and cozy spot "reserved" for them in pvp. want me to spell it?
ok here goes:

1. PURGE: yes all caps PURGE. most classes have purge ability yes, but none have it as good as venos. barbs purge often but their's is a simple 25% skill as for the weapon the chances are lower while i dont know the exact % chance that purge has of taking effect, i am sure its greater than barbs (archers/sins/bms and whoever else can get their hands on a purge weap)


We can 1shot ppl, we have 2 branch of damage
2. that^^ : Archers + Clerics + Seekers have the same power in this regard however with all the debuffs venos can throw it only gives that kinda OP edge. and yes.....venos do have very very very heavy dmg.

"The forgotten" Blazing barrier + immunities
3. ur own personal invoke? except even better with 100% dmg reflection? both magic and physical? personal IG? what else should i say?

"Another forgotten" ehm, control, control, control, more control for dayz
4. stun, seal freeze, more stun more seal, amp, puffbird blah blah blah. nuff said.

Venos OP end of story

killeresras wrote: »

Hello everyone, so I was looking at everyone's skills that came along with New Horizons and I noticed 1 class that really didn't get anything from it. That class is the veno class, honestly none of those skills are really much of a use and of course I'm talking about in pvp. So they give everyone else these powerful high hitting merge skills and for the venos they make our unused skills slightly more useable. Few venos would dare waste spark on freeze and why the heck is stunning blow called stunning blow if it freezes and doesn't stun. Like seriously grudge strike gives only 20 chi and yes its spammable but how do I spam it with all those other classes and their kiting skills. The same applies to the other 2 skills also. Grudge strike also can increase cd of skills by 120% (YAY) only works on monsters(wtf?) Monsters don't even have skills and I doubt anyone even cares. I was looking at other threads and really nobody was worried about new veno skills at all, (LOL) I wonder why. Everyone has something to QQ about for each of the other classes, but veno update... nope.

So I think really venos were just tossed skills and not really thought much of as I'm pretty sure everyone knows venos will still have little time to try and Atk with fox form skills as all the other classes are going to be dealing massive dmg out.

Yes I feel empowered to QQ and it's justified.

i find this quite funny how fast u say venos didnt get good skills.

why didnt u say that sins got skill upgrades for skills that are extremely rare, rare to the point of no-one having them on some servers.

what use are the skill mergers for Ribe Strike + Puncture Wound and HeadHunt + Twin Strike if no1 have them? 2 of the 4 or 5 skills we got are completely useless and might i add that these 2 skills would easily be classed as the best skills we got except maybe Chill of the Deep.

not saying ur point is invalid, but am saying ppl got shafted worse than u guys did.

Ragamufinsin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

but it is very OP and offenseive while being fairly good in defenseb:cute

Are you talking about wiz and his/her physical def booster buff (stone barrier) + spell purify?b:chuckle

killeresras wrote: »

Hello everyone, so I was looking at everyone's skills that came along with New Horizons and I noticed 1 class that really didn't get anything from it. That class is the veno class, honestly none of those skills are really much of a use and of course I'm talking about in pvp. So they give everyone else these powerful high hitting merge skills and for the venos they make our unused skills slightly more useable. Few venos would dare waste spark on freeze and why the heck is stunning blow called stunning blow if it freezes and doesn't stun. Like seriously grudge strike gives only 20 chi and yes its spammable but how do I spam it with all those other classes and their kiting skills. The same applies to the other 2 skills also. Grudge strike also can increase cd of skills by 120% (YAY) only works on monsters(wtf?) Monsters don't even have skills and I doubt anyone even cares. I was looking at other threads and really nobody was worried about new veno skills at all, (LOL) I wonder why. Everyone has something to QQ about for each of the other classes, but veno update... nope.

So I think really venos were just tossed skills and not really thought much of as I'm pretty sure everyone knows venos will still have little time to try and Atk with fox form skills as all the other classes are going to be dealing massive dmg out.

Yes I feel empowered to QQ and it's justified.

If it makes you feel better Psys got nerfed too, the combined skills require more chi and to top it off AOE skill ranged got nerfed too.

Sykarah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hehe i've only read the first two pages of this thread and so far the people that are saying Venos dont need anything and are OP.... arent venos f:stare

well duh, why would venos admit they are OP when crying about something? it would totally kill the point they trying to make right???

Sykarah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hehe i've only read the first two pages of this thread and so far the people that are saying Venos dont need anything and are OP.... arent venos f:stare

Going to try to avoid joining the discussion about whether venos are oped or not, still I do want to add my two cents in about that comment.

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On one hand, just because there isn't a veno chiming in and saying veno's are still going to be fine, or are fine, it doesn't mean that veno's are in need of a change.

Yet on the other hand, even if there was a few venos chiming in and saying that exact line or something very similar to it... it too doesn't mean that venos aren't in need of change.

^ Both goes for ANY and all classes in game. The truth of the matter is that pwi has struggled immensely to balance things out completely for everyone, and really even if it was truly balanced out, there would still be a few who feel things are imbalanced. (Some advantages/skills really tip that scale of balance.)

(EDIT:) To be comepltely honest though I think a lot of people are still trying to figure out exactly how hard these skills hit, and just how much it effects gameplay in the game, I am sure given enough time people will join in on one side or the other.

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Anyways you all feel free to ignore my post and go back to the discussion (NOTICE my lack of calling it a QQ) about whether or not venos are... or aren't overpowered.

Enjoy the discussion.

Sykarah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok I have to comment here.
1) Yes other classes have 2 branches of skills, HOWEVER Clerics second branch is heals. Heals that are 100% necessary, and make them clerics. Debuffs? Amp/Purge are in veno, but hardly anything else. Seekers have buffs. Thats great, with ours its a fox form branch, fox form we never use besides 2 skills. 8 useless skills. Just because you consider a skill useless doesn't make it so. Most sins consider twin strike useless, but that's not true.

2)Also my cleric with her vitality build, sharing same weapon and all gear as my veno, hits harder than my veno with a pure mag build. Veno is also higher level. Venos do lack a little more attack than other classes. Veno's power comes from stripping your opponent of things, then attacking, also a lot of monsters are wood based, and veno's do mainly wood damage, so it gets reduced. I advise you check that before making that assumption.


3) Our 'invoke' lasts 15 seconds and reduces damage by 75%. our 'IG' is nice. CD is horrible and in pvp, it lasts too long so the opponent realizes oh she IGed... lets get ready to murder her when she gets out and wont have time to react (true story. everytime) If you have a built in IG, you can always use regular IG after >.>. And if it last longer than IG, wtf do you have to complain about? If they killed you, YOU are the reason you died. Make like a sin and gtfo.

4) Our only seal requires 2 sparks, 3 second channel with 2 second cast, and isnt garanteed to stun the target. . Our stun is a 2 second stun. Bewitch is a morai skill, those are your puffpuff birds. Requires fox form and chi. Those are your stuns. Clerics have ridiculous stuns, BMs are just insane. Sins can stunlock. This is just so wrong. Cleric are the only class without a stun AND an anti stun (besides purify), and a sin stunlock isnt anything to worry about unless they are aps and you have low grade gear. Sin locks require extreme amounts of chi and timing to get right, and I can assure you most sins make slight ** ups.

5) Our purge is our best pvp skill hands down. But, 1v1 it doesnt work too well because lets do the math shall we? Purge requires fox form. So, go into fox form, purge, then wait for 6 seconds to switch back into human to attack again. In that time you are assuming the opponent is not going to stun/attack. You cannot deal ANY worthwhile attack in fox form. Back to point 1. Point zero: Veno's have an anti-stun/purify built into summer sprint. Are you too stupid to use it? You could easily CC your enemy if you managed to purge their antistun as well. Most of which can be done with your pet, or other fox form attacks.

We might not have it worse than ANY other class, however, we DEFINATELY have the right to complain. Please don't assume all venos are op. People fear Venos yes, but assuming we are very well off means you really dont know what your talking about /:

Everyone has a right to complain. The question is whether or not they should. Since veno's are really needing anything, I would say they shouldn't, even if they have the right to. I don't fear veno's but they have a lot going for them atm, and are more balanced than some other classes *cough seekers cough*. Take pride in that and quit ur whining.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

a venomancer's herc and phoenix costs just as much as a sin's Rank or refines
troll or what

Are you just stupid or what? Lets compare prices on DW for a herc and r8+refines shall we? A herc runs about 75m on DW, r8 during sale=200k rep=46m. Non-sale r8=200k rep= 90-100m.

Refining a peice of gear(r8 chest) on DW to +10.

2m for the chest
+5-15m average for +7 with tishas and teinkangs
+120m for 3 +10 orbs when on sale

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127-137m just for the chest+refines
+46m

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163-173m for r8 chest


That's excluding shards. All you have to do is level a herc, which is normally free.

Well, I guess we can all agree that this update was kinda disappointing when it comes to skills, for everyone. And, this is disappointing because we we expecting more power as when Morai came up. This time is just adjustment to some skills. In the veno's case almost all the skills upgraded or merged were skills which we almost didn't use. The big exception is redstone. Redstone is the merge a core skill for venos, and somewhat useful skill. The skill is nice, but it needs different icons for each debuff in the demon version.