Take back the new veno skill D:!

Isn't the cooldown the same as what it used to be for ironwood (8 seconds)?

i'll see if I can get my game husband as a test subject. He learned his new Sage Redstone. I'll post later if I find something.

Satyrion - Sanctuary wrote: »

I dont need my macros to be able to go on infinite amount of time. Mostly I only use my macros when multiclienting, but I'm never gone from my venos screen more than few seconds, so I'll be back on her before the macro stops.
As a sage veno as well, I was surprised to see a lot of sage venos excited about this skill. I really liked Blazing Scarab, however, I still decided to get it because Ironwood is one of my absolutly favorite attack skills, and I was thinking adding a bit more power to it wouldn't hurt.

I'm not really sure what I think of it honestly. It doesnt really impress me as much as I believe it should at the cost of loosing Blazing Scarab.

Is the damage increase (along with the DoT) noticeable? Also is the cooldown really messed up?

I'm worried they messed up with the Demon one big time. I wanted it for the damage increase but I don't want to essentially nerf my debuff (if my suspicions are right). I want to know what I'm "missing" out on.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

i'll see if I can get my game husband as a test subject. He learned his new Sage Redstone. I'll post later if I find something.

But in the case of sages, there is nothing to lose. They jus win, upgrading is a no brainer b:infuriated

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, sages lose a chi generating skill.

They generate chi from Venomous scarab and Fox form mainly, don't they? I doubt Blazing ever played big role in their chi restoration.

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

They generate chi from Venomous scarab and Fox form mainly, don't they? I doubt Blazing ever played big role in their chi restoration.

It does when you dont have Sage Venomous , Lending Hand , and Master Li's technique

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

f:stare How can this be that veno is sage but doesn't have Master Li's technique and Venomous scarab? First one is free, second is cheap and easy to get. And if you have new fox form you will never miss Lending hand.

Talked about Blazing Scarab's chi gaining ability for a veno below 89 ... just to point out that people do use it

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Talked about Blazing Scarab's chi gaining ability for a veno below 89 ... just to point out that people do use it

I was talking about sage and demon difference. Once you are sage, you won't need it that much.

Playing around more yesterday using a lot of redstone (the new ironwood) I actually turned out to like it more... First I felt it quite ****, mostly because the animation doesnt look like our other skills at all.. Now I started to like it a bit more, it looks like you shoot a little red missile when using it.. The damage from redstone is not much higher than old ironwood, however the DoT damage seems way stronger (600% + 6000 dmg something) the DoT lasts as long redstone is still in cooldown, or maybe 0.5-1 seconds longer. The cooldown/chan/cast remain the same from the old ironwood. Actually I dont think this was a too bad idea, but I still doubt it would be worth it for demon venos to loose their 0 def and blazing for chi.

Other than that I noticed my macros didnt interrup! A boss did interrup me once, but without clicking anything, my venomancer started channelling a new skill already. So this might make macros easier to do now! ^^

EDIT: Checking on ecatomb it seems demon blazing scarab have a reduced duration of the DoT to 9 seconds where sage have 12 seconds. With a cooldown of 8 seconds of redstone, it seems we sages get that reduced duration as well for the DoT (9 seconds) just like demons O:
Plus I meant my macros was ongoing besides some skills was still in cooldown, I think the macro just automatically skip the skills in cooldown.

OPKossy wrote: »

Yeah. For sages this is an upgrade hands down.

For demons... not so much.

I disagree o.O
I think its an upgrade for both by far.
Demon Veno can now keep constant pdef debuff + amp on target. Skill is relatively spammable with 25% proc rate on the 180% debuff.

My damage sky rockets in both pve and pvp w/ my wife spamming this skill + amp now.

I'd been debating about if I really wanted to lose a skill, but after reading this... I'll go for it. Since the only pvp I do is NW... This is still an upgrade for me as a sage veno.

Meh it's the kind of thing that you have to choose to upgrade or leave as is depending on what you do in PvE and PvP but I'm happy at least Demons didn't get completely screwed over like last time (Fox Form update).

I learnt it and I love it in PvE. I haven't done any PvP whatsoever so I don't know how it will be but considering I have very limited time (probably until summer) and I'll probably mostly just do TWs (aka group PvP) I decided to learn it.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, you are looking at this from entirely the wrong angle.

*I'm* used to KNOWING when I have the 0 defense buff on me. When I see the debuff I know to purify, use an immunity, whatever.

Now, neither of us knows. You use arcane antimony, and each time I have to freak out---is it 180%? If it is, I'm dead. If its *ONLY* 40%, you might just still kill me, though ofc chances are lower, but I cannot take the risk. The gain is all on your end. Its worse for me to not know, because I have to burn through my immunities much faster on the chance that it might be the 180%. Do I really want to find out which debuff I have by getting hit with a crit arcane antimony? Um, no I don't!

New version much scarier than old version imo.

Aye, that's true. Confusion all around! I'd be more inclined to use arcane antinomy on a Myriad pdef break - sure, it's only 100%, but thats better than it perhaps being 40%. But, also worse than potentially missing out on 180%. f:shock Ugh.. it'd be nice if devs gave them different icons.

Okay. After playing with Sage Redstone Venomworm... I'm not happy. I'd rather have my Ironwood & Blazing. Why?

1. Cooldown. Sure, it's the same as Ironwood was, but it doesn't mesh with my other skills as well.
2. It hits hard, but not worth losing my secondary hard hitting skill

My normal chain of attacks is Ironwood, Venom, Blazing/Lucky, Venom, Lucky/Blazing. Or if I'm going against weaker things that still take 2 hits, Ironwood+Venom, or Blazing+Venom. That way I was alternating the two stronger hitting skills and could go faster.

This skill takes out one of my single target attacks. While the new skill is stronger than either of the two were alone, it's still a loss to me. *sigh*

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've kinda gotten used to not having Blazing Scarab now but that doesn't mean I don't miss it. I'm still iffy for the fact that they didn't do Ironwood+Frost or Blazing+Frost instead. Frost is something people rarely used so it would make sense. Blazing was and is widely used by players though.

However, what's done is done. I still think Sages should generally upgrade regardless though (not taking into account individual playstyles). As Sage I never felt the need to use Blazing Scarab in either PvE or PvP (though throwing it on pets is not a bad idea). I was quite dependent on it as Demon but strangely enough, I never really used it in PvP for chi.

Blazing + Frost would be an interesting combination, though I probably use Frost as much in PVP as I use Blazing in PVE. As demon, the 3 second freeze is quite useful to have, especially since Lucky isn't a guaranteed 100% stun. [95%, close I know, but it has failed on some important occasions]. However, I never use frost in PVE, or blazing in PVP. Would have been interesting to see how the devs would have combined these two to favour both PVE/PVE when each has imo, their own distinct uses.