No squads in nationwars

datks1
datks1 Posts: 35 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Suggestion Box
make the nations more even.
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  • Wickedbrew - Raging Tide
    Wickedbrew - Raging Tide Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    While I am easily steamrolled by the OP r9rr squads, I like being in a squad with my friends, even if we can't exactly compete with the big squads. So you would be denying everyone the ability to squad. The overpowered players will still be OP regardless.
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  • datks1
    datks1 Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    if there was say 20 r9rrs (example), it would just be nice have 5 in each nation instead of 20 in one or 10 in 2
    but i see your point about friend squads
  • Wickedbrew - Raging Tide
    Wickedbrew - Raging Tide Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    datks1 wrote: »
    if there was say 20 r9rrs (example), it would just be nice have 5 in each nation instead of 20 in one or 10 in 2
    but i see your point about friend squads

    And I see your point as well. Its no fun when they are in an opposing nation, but will you complain when they are in the nation you are in? I personally won't complain b:laugh
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  • datks1
    datks1 Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    i was in their nation today i feel is still unequal
    it was the number of people in each nation too, like 120 in some then 140 in another
  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited December 2013
    I get annoyed at uneven battles (and indeed leave them) whenever I see them, win or lose.

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  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I have been in nation wars where squads were not allow'd, and the gameplay is a lot better and balanced. Allowing squads in NW's really messed up the fun tbh, yeah you can make a farmer or trolling toon to irritate everyone, but in the end top end squads win
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  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,887 Community Moderator
    edited December 2013
    This has been said many times. and I agree.

    I know it was debated when the NW map kept changing but was turned down when we got the larger maps.

    I would say Squads should be allowed after you enter NW. Yes this would produce a better balance and give people the chance to work with people they normally dont.
  • Eruvanda - Dreamweaver
    Eruvanda - Dreamweaver Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Sorry but the event was not made for people to have an "even" game lol it's called Nation 'WARS', the strongest will win, the weakest will lose. I personally want to win, so I don't wanna be squaded with someone that will keep dying and won't be helpful at all for the battle, neither be alone since it's meant to be a battle between groups and not duels...

    I was undergeared once, I was low level once, and I used to get very pissed off at all the OPs 1shotting me, so what did I do? I worked hard to have better gear, I'm not a jaded full r9rr+12, but I'm proud to say now I have full g16 armor +10 (one piece +11) and +11 r9rr weapon, and although I am still a 1shot for many, I do have a lot more fun since I'm able to do more things. Trust me, after you have reached a certain point in your gear, you will start having more fun (things started getting better for me when I was +7).

    Your suggestion is just not adequate to the event's purpose.
  • bangis2010
    bangis2010 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I got what the poster pointing out.

    If squad where not allow before going on NW the OP ppl will be randomly join on any Nation. there will be no 10 OP ppl on 1 squad. ( dealing with 10 OP kindy annoying )

    Number of players in Nation will be equal. (not like other nation have 120 players while some nation have 140 )
  • Eruvanda - Dreamweaver
    Eruvanda - Dreamweaver Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It's very hard to have equal amount of players in the 4 nations because you have to assume there will be an even number of players, and that no one is alt, and no one will dc or leave game during battle...

    If for example you and four of your friends are all tt90 and you are randomly squaded with 5 r9rr+10, you will get less tokens in the end because at the end of the battle there is a rank according to contribution, and of course the r9s will kill everything and take most damage, hence you get way lower contribution.

    On the other hand, if you squad with people of similar gear, and you don't end up in a battle with all r9s on your side (your squad alone will probably take half or 1/3 of battle space), even if your enemy is all r9s and you keep getting 1shot, your contribution will be higher, because there will be more space for action for you.

    Plus, you certainly don't want to force people to be squaded with people they don't want right? Imagine if someone is squaded with someone that is on his blacklist, and then he either chooses to play with someone he hates or play the event alone? I only have fun playing with my friends, because it's not just about the NW, we are talking on vent, joking and coordinating stuff. No fun in playing with random strangers... This topic is just pointless really.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,887 Community Moderator
    edited December 2013
    Eruvanda - Dreamweaver I understand what your saying but NW does not work like your suggesting. Yes it is the more powerfull you are the more you will win but it should not be because you have 10 squads of 10 OP people that you should win.

    The point people are making is simple when you do NW your see this.

    Frost 150
    Flame 148
    Dark 136
    Light 152

    Odds are the Dark nation will loose. You simply cant cover more lands if you dont have numbers being OP makes no odds if you can take a map if you are not fighting anyone.

    I dont understand why people are saying your forced to squad with someone? Why would you even do that in the first place. People are not saying your gonna be forced to squad at all. I solo NW my self its easier than waiting for someone to call a map ETC.

    The idea is you enter as a single person - you can then squad with your friends / Faction form that same nation. Odds are you would still have some OP squads. TBH odds of this happening are slim to none anyways
  • Eruvanda - Dreamweaver
    Eruvanda - Dreamweaver Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Today my nation had about 10 people less than the other 3, and we won by around 100 points of difference from the other 3. It's completely random really... luck plays a good part in this. I've had months, with this same squad I've been doing NW with since February, that we kept being thrown at the worst nation always, like every week, so I understand the feeling of "always losing"... But the solution is not to random squad people, but each one gearing up themselves and finding people they have fun playing with.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Takes a good squad of moderately well geared people to take down R9rrs

    Pls no

    We have little enough teamwork as is

    And the real fun NW is when R9rr squads go head to head. Then it's all about teamwork b:laugh
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    DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    And the real fun NW is when R9rr squads go head to head. Then it's all about teamwork b:laugh

    This.

    Sorry to sound rude, but I dont really care for people that go NW solo and then complain about the squads. Make some friends. The real fun for me in NW is going up against a real evenly matched squad/our squad winning vs 30 non one shots.
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  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Sorry but the event was not made for people to have an "even" game lol it's called Nation 'WARS', the strongest will win, the weakest will lose. *snip* to shorten. :$

    As much as I hate that mentality... or whatever you want to call it... it is sad but it is also true... unforunately. D:

    Also I do indeed agree with these other 2 posts that I quoted.

    Takes a good squad of moderately well geared people to take down R9rrs

    Pls no

    We have little enough teamwork as is

    And the real fun NW is when R9rr squads go head to head. Then it's all about teamwork b:laugh
    This.

    Sorry to sound rude, but I dont really care for people that go NW solo and then complain about the squads. Make some friends. The real fun for me in NW is going up against a real evenly matched squad/our squad winning vs 30 non one shots.
    If for example you and four of your friends are all tt90 and you are randomly squaded with 5 r9rr+10, you will get less tokens in the end because at the end of the battle there is a rank according to contribution, and of course the r9s will kill everything and take most damage, hence you get way lower contribution.

    I actually experienced this on my seeker tonight, although I did actually get the same amount of tokens as I did alone, I still scored less points in each battle, but the number of battles I was in skyrocketed, and offsetted the amount of contribution I was getting in this squad, as compared to when I was alone.

    bah it cut off everything else I wrote. D:
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  • FistToDeath - Dreamweaver
    FistToDeath - Dreamweaver Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    heero200 wrote: »
    The point people are making is simple when you do NW your see this.

    Frost 150
    Flame 148
    Dark 136
    Light 152

    Odds are the Dark nation will loose.

    There's a thing, though: NW calculates the number of people in each nation roughly by the total soulforce in there. Which means the nations with the least people have more OPs, while the ones with the most people have the least OP people. That kind of evens things out (and actually lots of times the nations with the least people wins NW.
    You simply cant cover more lands if you dont have numbers being OP makes no odds if you can take a map if you are not fighting anyone.

    The whole point is one really OP person can easily hold back 5-10 undergeared people if they're not coordinated enough. So you don't really need the numbers to fight them in every battle. Quite often my squads split to defend/attack two lands at once.
    I dont understand why people are saying your forced to squad with someone? Why would you even do that in the first place. People are not saying your gonna be forced to squad at all. I solo NW my self its easier than waiting for someone to call a map ETC.

    The idea is you enter as a single person - you can then squad with your friends / Faction form that same nation. Odds are you would still have some OP squads. TBH odds of this happening are slim to none anyways

    While I do understand the point, that would be time consuming (which is dangerous in NW) and you wouldn't have a well-oiled squad ready, ever. Which kind of breaks the purpose of a squad.
  • Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver
    Temptatio/V - Dreamweaver Posts: 301 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Most OP squads most of the time not even fights same lands, they usually split people.

    Part of the nw fun is to be with friends and talk on vent and strategized..take that away and you get boring event where everyone doing just pure pk farming.
  • Garry - Lothranis
    Garry - Lothranis Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I agree at least to make them just able to squad up after being ramdomly placed in their nations. It would at least balance the number of players again.
    And they would need to work with people they aren't used to.

    We don't want it to be like "The Tournament" where no one factonless ever won...
    We want a PvP event where ONLY YOUR OWN SKILLS WILL DEFINE YOUR OWN REWARDS.

    About the alts and dcs, those things will happen in any of the 2 scenarios, then it can't be a point on this thread.
  • heerohex#3018
    heerohex#3018 Posts: 4,887 Community Moderator
    edited December 2013
    There's a thing, though: NW calculates the number of people in each nation roughly by the total soulforce in there. Which means the nations with the least people have more OPs, while the ones with the most people have the least OP people. That kind of evens things out (and actually lots of times the nations with the least people wins NW.

    The whole point is one really OP person can easily hold back 5-10 undergeared people if they're not coordinated enough. So you don't really need the numbers to fight them in every battle. Quite often my squads split to defend/attack two lands at once.

    While I do understand the point, that would be time consuming (which is dangerous in NW) and you wouldn't have a well-oiled squad ready, ever. Which kind of breaks the purpose of a squad.

    Not Totaly True. It does to begin with... but have you ever noticed after say 30mins new people join a suddenly a Nation starts to Over Power the others? even if its got the best or lowest numbers

    At any rate i agree with people saying no and people saying yes. One thing i do have to state that if the field changes people dont adjust very well. Something that happens in PWI a lot.
  • bangis2010
    bangis2010 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    There's a thing, though: NW calculates the number of people in each nation roughly by the total soulforce in there. Which means the nations with the least people have more OPs, while the ones with the most people have the least OP people. That kind of evens things out (and actually lots of times the nations with the least people wins NW..

    Really ? what the hell are you smoking? Calculates soulforce? You aware that soulforce change if you took all your gears and stuff right?b:shocked
  • Viktorian - Archosaur
    Viktorian - Archosaur Posts: 746 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    personally i think we should leave it be. squads let friends go together and while some are op the ones who arent need a squad or some form of teamwork to take those op ppl down. plus i like it when my little <g16 pplz beat a squad of 10 r9s.
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