Dynasty afraid of Relic?

even if u are right, it doesnt do any good to ur faction come here and say it.

that being pointed, Yeahh totally dyna made the worse movemnt they could do (in my opinion). Even if i had been talking wiht some dyna members, giving advices and such, it is obvius they didnt hear me LOL. After this attk, what are we gonna see?

lets see the whole map: Vex lost many members and if they dont disband their power is at least very diminished. Most old vex member, if they start leaving, wont go to relic. Couse it used to be one of the best figts when relic and vex were top 5 factions. not big to stand against tempest or dyna but they were growing.
With dynasty attking vex, i doubt vex's members go to dyna, at least not the old ones.
The only thing i see is Vex merging wiht tempest. Lets remember that vex was formed for ex regenesis members (not the oldest ones, those who came from calamity) but ex regens at least. that will leave a map wiht 3 big factions, Dyna (that need all their wizards and archers bk), Relic wiht many unstable members (or jumpers) and tempest that could be boosted one more time wiht ex vex/regenesis members.

Dyna officers made the worse move they could do..at least thats how i see it. But oo well they are not a tw faction..otherwhise i dont see how their officers can make soo many mistakes sometimes (like wcing that they were glitching d.orbs, allowing their members to post tw videos on forums for everybody and such)
I hope dynasty finally start doing tw in a more serious way, since regenesis disband they didnt get any chance to prove the server they deserve to be #1. Wining a season doesnt make u be #1. Dyna never defend 6 tws per day as the 3 old #1 factions did (calamity,equinox and regenesis) well i think equinox only defend 3 lands..anyways.

Ps: sry for my english QQ (Velra is right!!!*)

*For those that understand that joke.

Ps1: why dyna officers dont let dsholder play flyranger? thats something i always wanted to know and i keep forgeting :P they show class wiht that decision but anyways lol

PS2: all my conspiration theory can be destroyed if Vex officers already made an agreement wiht Dyna`s officers. But as far as my sources know, not even 1 dyna offcier aproached vex`s officers.

@trollalt: It is highly unlikely that you are the leader of Relic in disguise, because he at least would have the sense to stay out of forums. You can't possibly know what private discussions leader of Relic and Dynasty had. If you aren't aware of possible arrangements, pretending to speak for your faction is irresponsible and foolish.

Dynasty and Tempest historically had an agreement to alternate attacks each week so that neither faction had to have up to 6 hours of each weekend TWing, which would be very time-consuming and costly for all involved. You are supposing that Relic and Dynasty have come to a similar agreement, and that because Dynasty isn't attacking, Dynasty is 'afraid' of Relic. This simply can't be proven.

There are several other possibilities which could explain the situation:

Possibility 1) Dynasty and Relic did come to an agreement, and this week has been reserved for Relic to attack Dynasty.

Possibility 2) Dynasty and Relic are still working on an agreement, but it hasn't been finalized yet. Therefore neither faction was under any obligation, and because Relic attacked Dynasty, Dynasty attacked elsewhere to avoid 2 long TWs.

Possibility 3) No attempts to make an agreement have been made yet, and, because Relic attacked, Dynasty attacked somebody else to avoid 2 long TWs (similar to 2).

Possibility 4) An agreement was reached, and then Relic reneged on it, leaving Dynasty under no obligation to attack (unlikely but possible).

Dynasty's motivations are clear. Given our history with Tempest, you can already say that *we* want only 1 long TW a week. We have proven our reliability in honoring such an agreement. However, Relic hasn't proven itself yet in this way. If any agreement is going to work, RELIC has to prove that they will honor it, not Dynasty.

I'm going to assume that you, too, want to limit the # of long TWs each weekend. I assume this because you clearly assume that an agreement was made (and therefore, that you would support such an agreement). Given this, what you should be doing is asking your leader 'if we came to an agreement, why are we attacking', or 'why haven't we come to an agreement yet?' instead of coming here to make wild accusations.

Again, Dynasty has shown that it only wants 1 long TW a week. If anybody is likely to break an agreement/prevent one from being made, it would be Relic. If Relic attacks Dynasty, agreement or not, Dynasty probably won't attack Relic back. In other words, Dynasty's hand may have been forced.

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@ nigelus, your essential error in thinking is that 'a TW faction has to take their TW very seriously'. I entirely sympathize with your views, and I wish more Dynasty members did take their TW more seriously. However, comments like 'not allowing their members to share TW videos' implies that you still have the old Calamity mindset: do not share information, do not share apoths, etc. By the same analogy, me sharing videos of my gameplay in pvp 'tips my hand' so to speak. Others can study my videos and devise strategies to counter what I do. That could make them more difficult to beat.

To that I say, so what?

Its funner when the enemy is better. Its funner when the fight is a challenge. Its funner when both sides are as good as they can possibly be.

Because what you lose sight of is, Dynasty TWs because it is fun. Every faction that TWs nowadays does so for the same reason.

Back in the old days, a TW faction like Calamity/Regenesis had an overriding goal: to conquer the TW map. Often, that goal overrode the goal to 'have fun'. Calamity grew massively powerful and crushed its enemies in 5 minute TWs. Did you think of that as fun? Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your perspective), no faction can rule with that goal in place anymore. At best, TW pays for itself... at worst, TW just costs a lot of $ in charms, defense charms, apoths, hp/mp pots, as well as a lot of time. There's no overriding goal to TW anymore. So why TW at all?

Again. Because TW is fun.

Winning is fun, but a hard-fought loss is funner than an easy win. Therefore, while sharing a TW video may affect your chances of winning, if it improves the ability of both factions to execute high-level TW strategies and tactics, I don't mind.

Can you understand this?

Also... undoubtedly Regenesis/Cala had well-oiled strategies in place. However, they also had one of the most massive gear gaps ever between themselves and other factions. Gear is very important in TW. The more people you add to a fight, the more important gear becomes. How strong was Regen compared to the other factions?

To imagine what that would look like nowadays, imagine taking the top 30 strongest from Dynasty, Relic, Tempest, and Vex, and throwing them into a single faction. Add in some randoms who incidentally have been twing for 2-3 years. Now have the leftovers of Dynasty, Relic, and Tempest split into 3 even-sized lumps. Now pit those 3 factions against the new super-faction.

It would be annihilation, plain and simple. In a fight against other r9rrs, my gear makes me the equivalent of 1-1.5 people. Against g16 people, 1 of me is the equivalent of 2-3 people. And as my NW videos show, 1 well geared r9rr can handle over 10 g15 or r8-geared people at once. Within all of the top factions, gear ranges from best of the best (r9rr+12 jades) to average (g15/low-refine g16). In modern terms, the old Regenesis was a faction of r9rrs against factions made of g15 and g16 players.

In other words, it would have been unusual for them to lose under any circumstances, outnumbered or not. Also, keep in mind that this was in an era where only 3 factions could attack at once, and where you could push into enemy base and ignore the towers (therefore, if you could get 4 barbs into base and have them invoke, the TW would end 2 minutes later).

Sure Dyna has lots of small things to iron out in terms of TWing, but I feel that nostalgia taints your recollection somewhat. Regenesis was good, but a large portion of that goodness was a massive gear gap. Don't forget that!

Idk about Dyna, but I am afraid of Relic. I'm also afraid of Dyna. And of Nigelus. I'm very easily scared.

I'm not afraid of Apoo, though, cause he's french and he'll surrender whenever anyone attacks him.

b:surrender

That is so racist lol.

On a side note though, farming for endgame gear used to be possible. Nowadays it isn't. Say what you like, but g16 is not endgame gear anymore. Its suitable endgame gear for an *alt* character, but any dedicated player would be aiming for r9rr as their eventual endgame gear. And that just can't be farmed. Essentially, if I wanted to help the faction out, I'd have to dish out coin. And even were I to do that, r9rr is so expensive that I couldn't afford to help more than a couple people. It seems easier to me to 'farm for the faction' when you have some really tangible results: you farm, then the people you were farming with get better gear. Cause, effect. But nowadays, you'd farm, then that person would sell mats, and then buy gold, and eeeeevveeeentuallly his/her gear would improve marginally. Before, you hand the person the mats, they make their gear, voila. Good work all. Now, you have to also trust that the person knows how to manage money well, and that is just not true of a lot of people, lol.

Also I'll say it here nig: for a guy who is awfully competitive about TW, it seems a mite petty to let one person prevent you from joining a particular TW faction. One person whom you could safely keep on blacklist and never hear from or have to interact with in any way. All of your enthusiasm... and you let a single person prevent you from TWing? If the person really has wronged you, aren't you basically rewarding them by allowing them to continue to prevent you from TWing? If they really haven't' wronged you.. wtf you doing? Lol.

NigeIus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I hope dynasty finally start doing tw in a more serious way, since regenesis disband they didnt get any chance to prove the server they deserve to be #1. Wining a season doesnt make u be #1. Dyna never defend 6 tws per day as the 3 old #1 factions did (calamity,equinox and regenesis) well i think equinox only defend 3 lands..anyways.

Esto lo vas a entender Nigelus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFjcMPvINug

At least dynasty keeps going!

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Esto lo vas a entender Nigelus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFjcMPvINug

At least dynasty keeps going!

LOL, couse many old players started to quit, and the oldest members were lazy, once u win everything u get lazy and we started to let ppl that didnt know how to manage some stuffs, do it. and slowly everything was unstoppable, one thing bring to another and poof...it was foult of the oldest calamity members that didnt teach others and those who were joining regenesis brought their thoughs and no1 tried to change how they were seeing the game. it was for example heartz foult couse he was talking to new players in a bad way, instead of explain them what he was trying to say. it was for example, Throck foult that instead of talking wiht people what he wanted to do/say he just raged. It was for people like Andres that instead of showing he was trying to teach everybody as if they were noobs, it was for people like sukama, that was active officer even she wasnt even loging for tw. it was for people like me that instead of trying to talk wiht new guys were allowing things till i exploded. was many many reasons. and IT WAS THE OLDEST CALAMITY members that allowed all that happened without doing anything and once we reacted it was too late. It was BB foult for being the glue for the faction and no1 else to help him. idk man it is long, it is hard and this isnt the place to discuss about, since it is the past.

and for aeliah...there are some stuffs u wont understand. and are linked to me as a human being and thats how i am. i told u many times why i didnt got to dyna, and it is not just for one person. and perhaps i am more confy just watching everything from outside :P b:laugh

and in another note, we are not racist wiht apoo, we love him XD

beatthegame wrote: »

Sorry, didn't realize my toon name didn't post in avatar. As you can see I don't post much or troll as you call it.

My 2 toons are both named Kalopsia and I'm an officer in Relic. My toons share the same name for the exact reason that I don't want to hide them.

I apologize if dyna officers are only finding out about the proposal via the forums, there must be a communication gap on your end in the hierarchy.

Also I can see why dyna agreed to attack one week tempest, defend 1 week tempest, when they were beating them week in, week out.

I only posted the facts here, we all know wacky is always thinking strategically. It's a good move on his part strategically but ends up with dyna looking scared in all honesty.

I won't bother posting anymore here, I'll see you all in TW this weekend if there's any issues we can settle them there. (assist attack me)

Thanks and GL to everyone competing in TW this weekend.



P.s how do I make my name show in forum avatar?

LOL LOL thast they way i like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!war war war war!!!!!!!!!!!!! stop all that bs about being nice factions!!!!we want to seeee blooooddd and drama in wc!!!fights in cube!!!fight in pk tourny!!!!fights in west!!!fight in ot!!!fight everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it seems relic is rdy for it!!!!!!!!!!will dyna ever be rdy to do a real tw?????????

Drags really, that guys is just puting his finger in ur butt and u still answer in a very polite way, if i were u would answer something like;
i will hunt ur faction high and low!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

since u left me a video i leave u one too drag :P

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1st Im a nice and polite guy... i dont do drama or anything like that.... i like to fight in real life, games are for playing...

2nd Im an officer, i have to behave, i can joke around... but wont get caught in drama, just wanted to clarify things.

3rd my video was better Nigelus..
and for u that u like war http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYzrEabkYAE

LOL XD

i just want some show b:laugh

Hi Nige I like how you reference players from both sides (EQ % Cala) to let to explain that when Calamity dominated the server, it wasn't all about gear. You are also on point when you described of how the downfall of Regenesis came to be. But to me, I know it wasn't because of all the oldest Cala members. I still have this haunch that some of the members in Regenesis plotted this downfall. I knew from the very moment when drama slowly creeped over the guild and officers bickering with each other, that slowly Regenesis as a family would die. Although I miss those days, my BM will rest in piece so long as Regenesis still exist.

P.S Kudos to Dynasty for almost being completely wiped off the map with one land left to becoming what they are today, and I mean it.

To me it seems Wacky is doing his usual srategy and going for the factions main city and surround it, in this case, Tellus. This thread s stupid though and sounds just like InTandem to me

But i like turtles.

Einlanzer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hi Nige I like how you reference players from both sides (EQ % Cala) to let to explain that when Calamity dominated the server, it wasn't all about gear. You are also on point when you described of how the downfall of Regenesis came to be. But to me, I know it wasn't because of all the oldest Cala members. I still have this haunch that some of the members in Regenesis plotted this downfall. I knew from the very moment when drama slowly creeped over the guild and officers bickering with each other, that slowly Regenesis as a family would die. Although I miss those days, my BM will rest in piece so long as Regenesis still exist.

P.S Kudos to Dynasty for almost being completely wiped off the map with one land left to becoming what they are today, and I mean it.

mhm it is the past, nothing we cant do now.i was just answering drags, didnt meant to bring this here. sadly. anyways...

ein!!!!!!how are u bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????u never say hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! give me u fb!!!!!!so we can speak as we used to!!!!

DeathProof - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This thread s stupid though and sounds just like InTandem to me

totally, thats why i like it , it remind me the old good times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now the question is, will dynasty answer?stand for the fight? or hide?
even if drag cant answer here (thing it is too obvius why, he is an officer and must behave, he must be an example for his faction) i would like to see dynasty doing an old fashioned war, they never did it. and it seems relic is rdy for it.

ARE WE FINALLY GONNA SEE SOME ACTION IN DW????


and lets see if drags understand this

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I like turtles too. You should come turtle with us Biggy ;o

never!!!!! dun steal biggie from us b:angry

i got it Nigelus, and yeah we will.... b:pleased

But for me is kinda like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ROXEHe95Mg b:laughb:laughb:laugh