Now that Identity change is done, can we please have sex change too?

Ursa - Dreamweaver
Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
edited October 2013 in General Discussion
so what a few years back was the unthinkable happened: name change is now possible.
I'm happy with all my chars names so i won't be one of the rich ones spending on this feature.
But for sure I'd spend on a sex change for at least two of my alts.

So , pwi , when is that due?
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  • Esnemyl - Dreamweaver
    Esnemyl - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,079 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It wouldn't be possible. Veno's cant change their gender due to the mythology; and marriages would become annulled should the genders changed due to China's laws. Sorry :/
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited October 2013
    Correct. It's been stated over and over and over that this will never happen.
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  • ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver
    ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Correct. It's been stated over and over and over that this will never happen.

    it was stated name change would never happen too.
  • FaceRolI - Sanctuary
    FaceRolI - Sanctuary Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I also thought its been stated that one of the primary barriers to having interserver content (across all) was name databases?

    idk the tech/programming involved but how can we have name change then? (im guessing the new name is like a cover for the old?) or is it not even related?
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  • hanzquee
    hanzquee Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    would be nice if the identity stones were so over priced
  • MyMate - Dreamweaver
    MyMate - Dreamweaver Posts: 558 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I also thought its been stated that one of the primary barriers to having interserver content (across all) was name databases?

    idk the tech/programming involved but how can we have name change then? (im guessing the new name is like a cover for the old?) or is it not even related?

    All the server don't share the same name database, which is part of the reason why we don't have server vs server content. My guess is that it's a lot easier to change the name of someone in a specific name database then to merge all the separate databases into one.

    (but don't take my word for it, cause "idk the tech/programming involved" either xD)
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It wouldn't be possible. Veno's cant change their gender due to the mythology; and marriages would become annulled should the genders changed due to China's laws. Sorry :/

    I don't see any issues honestly. Name change was regarded a way back the same: BIG NONO.
    We just need to think outside the box a bit.
    Someone wants to change their name? cool!! strings attached: Null marriage and ofc race limitation for 1 gender only classes. You know if you change gender that will happen, so I really don't see any problems with these 2 constraints. What would be so confusing about that?
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Correct. It's been stated over and over and over that this will never happen.
    if the great minds of humanity would have been limited by your thinking we would still travel with horse and carriage , think the Earth is flat and Americas will still be populated by natives (which is not a bad thing tho...)
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  • Wickedbrew - Raging Tide
    Wickedbrew - Raging Tide Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Definitely don't think this will ever happen, and when creating a character one should have thought about if they wanted to be a Robert or a Roberta
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    why? /10char
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  • Brivido - Dreamweaver
    Brivido - Dreamweaver Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Is it only me or this name change scroll, will be used mainly by harassers and scammers... at least before they had to make a new char, now you can keep the old one and simply change name (whilst makeing money for pwi)
  • Quinnie - Heavens Tear
    Quinnie - Heavens Tear Posts: 314 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it was stated name change would never happen too.

    it was also stated that chienkun stones would never be added
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  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So sex change is forbiden with chinese law but gambling is encouraged ?

    this game is all about gamble now... gamble packs,gamble stats,gamble books, gamble refine , gamble drops can u add poker and black jack that would be awesome to teach kids as well...

    PS

    I have advise to give with these name change thingy somehow its not in PWI style to cost 39g

    they should add somethign like for 5g you have a chanse to get random name so u can gamble for cool name and get it for cheaper ..

    We got use to more gamble options add a 5g random name generator wiht **** names and few cools then 10g generator wiht balansed 15 wiht more cool names and so on and gold name change 39g which u can decide what to get thats real pwi item not this one ..
  • _dblazen_ - Dreamweaver
    _dblazen_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 566 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So sex change is forbiden with chinese law but gambling is encouraged ?

    Sex change is allowed in China, they just have (or had(?)) some messed up regulations about birth certificate stuff or w/e, could be that that's not the case either.

    But that aside, people here claim it's so easy to do this, just think about the problems to be encountered.

    1 simple example; the in game marriage. If people get married and then use the gender switch thing you want implemented, then what? Auto-divorce seems to be the only option/answer then because of same-sex marriage not being allowed.

    Second, let them fix things before adding stuff that can possible break more than it's worth.
  • Roseary - Sanctuary
    Roseary - Sanctuary Posts: 978 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So sex change is forbiden with chinese law but gambling is encouraged ?

    this game is all about gamble now... gamble packs,gamble stats,gamble books, gamble refine , gamble drops can u add poker and black jack that would be awesome to teach kids as well...

    Texas Hold 'em would be nice too, let us gamble with our friends in PWI! We already have E-harmony.
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  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ye thats epic idea

    +1
  • Sevchenko - Dreamweaver
    Sevchenko - Dreamweaver Posts: 661 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it was stated name change would never happen too.

    They said they couldn't put change name **** because it used to mess the whole database, not because of chinese traditions or ****.
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  • Baalbak - Dreamweaver
    Baalbak - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,624 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    _dblazen_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Auto-divorce seems to be the only option/answer then because of same-sex marriage not being allowed.

    OOR.. the system *might possibly allow* same sex marriages via sex change, but not via regular marriage quest where you require a bride and groom. Therefore if two same sex characters want to get married - one could have an operation to perform the quest, then have an operation again to revert to being male or female. In this way, PWE would make money twice on sex change scrolls for those who want a same sex marriage.. Otherwise, if someone wants to marry a toon of the same sex, and doesn't mind actually being the opposite gender - the sex change scroll enables them to then get married.

    There are two sides to every coin, and multiple sides to every die. Rather than look at only one side, why don't we look at all sides? There's certainly a profit to be made with sex changes, which really only changes a character model rather than dealing with names and what someone else mentioned in another thread about "all items crafted by said character". A name change would have to propagate on many tables for a proper implementation, whereas a sex change requires only a model change - essentially an "advanced advanced makeover scroll".

    I think the corporate big wigs in China, as well as PWE would be willing to relax on sex change/same sex marriages if there was a clear profit to be made. Elsewise, just annul the marriage as was mentioned previously. I think the ability to implement this is far easier than propagating name changes across multiple tables in a database, so we shouldn't be telling ourselves "it will never happen".
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  • Kuzshi - Dreamweaver
    Kuzshi - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I also thought its been stated that one of the primary barriers to having interserver content (across all) was name databases?
    Cryptic games have the perfect solution for that(except in cases of same name, same account, different server). I can't understand why more games aren't switching over to that system.
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  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    MyMate - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All the server don't share the same name database, which is part of the reason why we don't have server vs server content. My guess is that it's a lot easier to change the name of someone in a specific name database then to merge all the separate databases into one.
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    (but don't take my word for it, cause "idk the tech/programming involved" either xD)

    Exactly ! I obviously don't know how the game is coded but I have some knowledge in that domain (I don't pretend what I will say will be 100% sure though). Technically it should be pretty easy to change the name of someone's toon. The only constraints would be the same as the ones you have when creating a new toon (name must not be already used on the database, some special characters not allowed, ...).
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  • Lolitta - Raging Tide
    Lolitta - Raging Tide Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I think is best if we have gender change as well. I wanna make my hubby BM a girl f:victory
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Once they said changing names was too much of a hassle to let it happen. That it would break the database, etc, etc, etc.

    Now that we have it I don't see why there couldn't be sex change too. Ofc, the player would 1st have to do some stuff before being able to change like divorcing, and it wouldn't be possible for the untamed.

    What is next now? Server transfer? We really need this, but then again they need to make the servers cross-server first.

    I hope all this happen eventually.
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  • Bearleeable - Lost City
    Bearleeable - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Sevchenko - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They said they couldn't put change name **** because it used to mess the whole database, not because of chinese traditions or ****.
    its not a real name change... its a "displayed name change" aka alias. This is why they were able to come out with it.. just a simple non-indexed ( probably ) field in the db.
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  • Lolitta - Raging Tide
    Lolitta - Raging Tide Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Azura - Lost City wrote: »
    Once they said changing names was too much of a hassle to let it happen. That it would break the database, etc, etc, etc.

    Now that we have it I don't see why there couldn't be sex change too. Ofc, the player would 1st have to do some stuff before being able to change like divorcing, and it wouldn't be possible for the untamed.

    What is next now? Server transfer? We really need this, but then again they need to make the servers cross-server first.

    I hope all this happen eventually.

    Server change maybe is good idea because in our sever many people are obsessed with PK and they be better off on a PVP server. But for now we really really need gender change as well.
  • Bearleeable - Lost City
    Bearleeable - Lost City Posts: 445 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Kuzshi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Cryptic games have the perfect solution for that(except in cases of same name, same account, different server). I can't understand why more games aren't switching over to that system.
    you do realize cryptic = pwi? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/05/31/perfect-world-acquires-cryptic-studios/
    LOTS of issues from that merger, and not all good.
    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    Exactly ! I obviously don't know how the game is coded but I have some knowledge in that domain (I don't pretend what I will say will be 100% sure though). Technically it should be pretty easy to change the name of someone's toon. The only constraints would be the same as the ones you have when creating a new toon (name must not be already used on the database, some special characters not allowed, ...).
    I agree with you but its a winblows game running disparate servers via secluded db's.. so in short the 1st thing they would need to do is get realistic centralized authentication which I think was their reason for acquiring cryptic BUT they found out the system was so vulnerable and damaged that I can't be used as is..
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  • Kuzshi - Dreamweaver
    Kuzshi - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Bearleeable - Lost City wrote: »
    you do realize cryptic = pwi? http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/05/31/perfect-world-acquires-cryptic-studios/
    LOTS of issues from that merger, and not all good.
    Do you realize that PWE doesn't like their competitors mentioned on their boards, so the odds of someone mentioning what I said and knowing Cryptic merged with PWE is greater than if whomever mentioned it didn't?

    And do you also realize that PWI's dev team is in china, whereas the dev teams from each of Cryptic games(as far as I know) are not?
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  • _LilDevil_ - Dreamweaver
    _LilDevil_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    All I have to say is if you can create an item that can change a players name why can't you make one for faction names so the ones with special characters in them can finally get an icon.

    Thank you
  • Vinat - Sanctuary
    Vinat - Sanctuary Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    apocaiypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it Was Stated Name Change Would Never Happen Too.

    +1000
  • Asone - Raging Tide
    Asone - Raging Tide Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so what a few years back was the unthinkable happened: name change is now possible.
    I'm happy with all my chars names so i won't be one of the rich ones spending on this feature.
    But for sure I'd spend on a sex change for at least two of my alts.

    So , pwi , when is that due?


    As stated in previous posts, there is no way we will be getting an item like that as long as China has its laws in affect. Unless you can somehow magically change this there is no way on earth it's going to happen.
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Dunno if any1 else thought about this, if you have enemies, someone can make a similar name to yours, usually it is easily done if you have characters such as I and l, in game they look almost identical, and these persons can perform some malicious activities to tarnish your name. So i`d suggest making an alt which covers these letters just to be on the safe side.
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  • JustAllEvil - Harshlands
    JustAllEvil - Harshlands Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Dunno if any1 else thought about this, if you have enemies, someone can make a similar name to yours, usually it is easily done if you have characters such as I and l, in game they look almost identical, and these persons can perform some malicious activities to tarnish your name. So i`d suggest making an alt which covers these letters just to be on the safe side.

    Um, people have done that before this item, by doing things like changing an i to an l. I've seen a few fake blue names of more prominent players on Harshlands. (And years ago there was a fake version of one of my chars)
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