Vs. Cleric PK

Tough class to fight; Heart of Steel on genie will go along way to surviving their setups. There isn't much to be done against faux soulburn but try not to die. With Heart of Steel and Psy Will, you can sit immune to their damage for a few seconds.

In terms if killing them, I'd probably take the risk and put the charm tick on them instead of decreasing mine, then try to maximise on disables; maybe get em to bite on a SoSt then follow with vector as the first stun goes off. If you have it, Sandball can help with the occasional silence. Soulburn is good too.

You will need a cleric specific genie. Basically Heart of Steel/Adrenaline Surge/Will Surge/Faith. Faith will purify sleep, but not SoG. Faith will immune you to both if it's up when they go to cast it though. You can also avoid the seal from SoG with Will Surge.

Take note that you cannot get AD on your genie alongside Faith unless 105.

Sister_Warui - Raging Tide wrote: »

Can I throw up SoR in preparation for the fake soul Burn? in black? a spark open to either vector stun or soul Burn for a fake silence...

Personally, I need to get back into pk mode as its been a while... my money has been going toward upgrades and pk is a major money sink...

If you are absolutely against a cleric, soul of stun is better most of the time than soul of retalliation...

their "fake soulburn" is greater than our "real one"... its gotta be like 20 seconds to a minute in its duration, and even sage psys only have 10 seconds to theirs...

getting into black voodoo is definitely a major part of the game vs clerics... not necessarily tide spirit, though it couldnt hurt...

originally, i would have used to say soulburn a cleric... now that they have a better soulburn, dont bother unless you have at least 30k soulforce... soulburn vs soulburn, cleric wins... try to save your sparks more toward things like earth vector on them instead...

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Basically Heart of Steel/Adrenaline Surge/Will Surge/Faith. Faith will purify sleep, but not SoG. Faith will immune you to both if it's up when they go to cast it though. You can also avoid the seal from SoG with Will Surge.

Take note that you cannot get AD on your genie alongside Faith unless 105.

Heart of steel is one genie skill that even clerics use against clerics (i dont have this one), sometimes ive heard them say its to "troll other clerics'... there are other classes metal immunity is good for too however...

Adrenaline surge i have on my genie... its cheap energy wise, its 7 seconds to charge up on them and not be slept for that 7 seconds... dont bother trying to anticipate a sleep coming unless you are truly psychic irl... use wisely and with extreme aggression... (i use with earth vector to begin with on most occasions in nw)...

Faith/Belief is worth having in order to break sleep, but its energy cost is very high and it needs to be on a genie thats not ur main pk genie from what I can see... I just aint really looked over what is worth having with it just yet, but it will be on my next pk genie...

Absolute domain... i havent bothered with that skill on my pk genie for a long time (fortify / ig combo is more effective for me, even the very few times i do use that)... ill definitely get AD when i finally make a pve genie again... someday...

Euzebe - Sanctuary wrote: »

Adrenaline Surge will prevent sleep after use, for about 7 seconds at max i think. It won't break sleep. Faith will prevent and break sleep and prevent SoG and soulburn, but you have to be able to predict them, and it's costly to put on genie. As Eoria said, it can't be on same genie as AD unless genie is 105.

This needing to be able to "predict" what will be cast... this is a wrong answer... however, planned for precise execution, you can use this the same way i use adrenaline surge currently... your prediction becomes upon your using the skill, you can "predict" what can NOT be used on you... and take advantage of that time...

Thats about all the advice i can give here for now, sorry i couldnt be more help... i havent really noticed most clerics as an issue in nw except for sleep really... hence my getting adrenaline surge... just really got annoying watching flag carriers prance past me completely free to do so... b:angry that has become an extremely rare occurrence now b:sin

yeah, pk is definitely fun

"genie cost is no issue" - a genie's energy cost is an issue in pk... another issue must be chi in the same respect... one of the "pk games" in beating a real opponent of any challenge often becomes who can wear out the other's genie energy and/or chi while still having either if not both themself... consider this even if you do beat your opponent without using energy or chi, because that energy and chi saved will also save your hind pixels in ganks... most people do not tend to play fair or honorably no matter how op their gear is... so if you do not see genie energy cost as an issue currently, do start to see it as such... this is actually one of the main reasons I set up the genie i currently have as it is set up (i can show ya in game, just realize again i am demon, as a sage your genie should be at least slightly different)... not 1 skill i have on my genie is more than 80 energy... with 50 vit and over 50 mgc, i can pop 2 skills back to back when at full and another skill usually comes up before real fights end...

"If faith (is what is needed) then faith is what it takes." - this is true, however... using any genie skill that people recognize with the amount of energy that this skill takes, pretty much announces to everyone that your genie is spent... you become vulnerable...

"learning prediction will come with trial and error practice." - not necessarily... it will if that "trial and error" is with the same person over and over... even if that person "switches up tactics" on you, they will eventually become somewhat "readable"... the problem is, a skill like sleep can not be countered that i've noticed in the same way a barb's arma (before the new panda untamed form came out) can... that skill gave you just enough time to counter with AD or psy will, sleep just does not. This is why I use adrenaline surge the way I do, as not a prediction to counter skills... but as a prediction of what can not be cast on me in order for me to attempt to gain an upperhand...

"why do you think SoS is better suited for clerics than SoR? Is my former defense/hypothetical attack not going to work? If not... Why?" - Here is the thing, stunning a cleric in particular is extremely effective... A cleric is the primary support to any squad and as such, a cleric is one of the worst classes to actually kill, technically speaking... Clerics do not do well in pve situations when they get stunned too much, many of them qq to all hell about getting stun locked... the more you can interrupt their ability to cast, the better the outcome for you... clerics are not dd class, and i generally use retaliation in order to reduce damage (particularly versus sins when in any pk situation in general)... When I can, versus a cleric, my soul of stun goes up...

It is not to say soulburn is necessarily bad against clerics, but I myself often weigh "punch for punch" or "**** for tat" scenarios... If their **** is bigger than your tat, alternative measures become necessary... so do not so much cut it out of your plan, but definitely do not depend on it versus clerics...

uum while i haven't tested I'd be pretty suprised if sor reflected cleric soulburn... it doesn't really do any initial dmg does it?

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

yeah, pk is definitely fun

"genie cost is no issue" - a genie's energy cost is an issue in pk... another issue must be chi in the same respect... one of the "pk games" in beating a real opponent of any challenge often becomes who can wear out the other's genie energy and/or chi while still having either if not both themself... consider this even if you do beat your opponent without using energy or chi, because that energy and chi saved will also save your hind pixels in ganks... most people do not tend to play fair or honorably no matter how op their gear is... so if you do not see genie energy cost as an issue currently, do start to see it as such... this is actually one of the main reasons I set up the genie i currently have as it is set up (i can show ya in game, just realize again i am demon, as a sage your genie should be at least slightly different)... not 1 skill i have on my genie is more than 80 energy... with 50 vit and over 50 mgc, i can pop 2 skills back to back when at full and another skill usually comes up before real fights end...

"If faith (is what is needed) then faith is what it takes." - this is true, however... using any genie skill that people recognize with the amount of energy that this skill takes, pretty much announces to everyone that your genie is spent... you become vulnerable...

"learning prediction will come with trial and error practice." - not necessarily... it will if that "trial and error" is with the same person over and over... even if that person "switches up tactics" on you, they will eventually become somewhat "readable"... the problem is, a skill like sleep can not be countered that i've noticed in the same way a barb's arma (before the new panda untamed form came out) can... that skill gave you just enough time to counter with AD or psy will, sleep just does not. This is why I use adrenaline surge the way I do, as not a prediction to counter skills... but as a prediction of what can not be cast on me in order for me to attempt to gain an upperhand...

"why do you think SoS is better suited for clerics than SoR? Is my former defense/hypothetical attack not going to work? If not... Why?" - Here is the thing, stunning a cleric in particular is extremely effective... A cleric is the primary support to any squad and as such, a cleric is one of the worst classes to actually kill, technically speaking... Clerics do not do well in pve situations when they get stunned too much, many of them qq to all hell about getting stun locked... the more you can interrupt their ability to cast, the better the outcome for you... clerics are not dd class, and i generally use retaliation in order to reduce damage (particularly versus sins when in any pk situation in general)... When I can, versus a cleric, my soul of stun goes up...

It is not to say soulburn is necessarily bad against clerics, but I myself often weigh "punch for punch" or "**** for tat" scenarios... If their **** is bigger than your tat, alternative measures become necessary... so do not so much cut it out of your plan, but definitely do not depend on it versus clerics...

where are your videos

A psy will Always have a hard time facing cleric fake soulburn > psy soulburn psy theirs last about 1 min psy only 8-10 sec you will NEVER stand a chance against a smart cleric with morai skills and decent gear this is what i noticed psy is strong at 50 - 90 then at 100 - 105 you either have 2 choices get 55k soulforce or die by classes like clerics wizads ect the reason psy have such a hard time against clerics is because of white/black voodo if you use black voodo you will be squishy as hell but hit hard but this is no biggy clerics have 2 shields and heals if you use white voodo your damage will be **** but clerics will still be able to do decent damge with plume attack dont remember the name well havent played pwi for ages if you use nothing your damage will be avarage but not enough to take a cleric down at all and you have no real defences on so it will be 1- 3 shot for you So its either 50+ k soulforce or reroll another class if you really care that much about clerics kicking your *** hard all the time reroll to assasin but i quit this game a long time ago dont know how it is not but this is how it was in my time when i played

apparently you played in a different universe if you think that plume shell has any effect on us or you played a bow-psy. btw it's easy to see how op other classes are when they are well equiped

i mean plume shot

that's not a cleric shield

i never said it was a shield

Remember Mark of Weakness jumps defense levels

we are talking about clerics, not aeliahrics. the usual featherheads die by stacking IH while soulburned

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Psychics are at a severe disadvantage to clerics. Sorry psychics, its just a fact.

Clerics have so many things they can do to you that won't get them sealed:

-2 morai healing debuffs
-mark of weakness attack (it acts like a single-time damage over time hit, it will not tick soul of silence, soul of retaliation, or soul of stunning)
-magical defense debuff
-physical defense debuff
-magical shackles (our 1-minute duration 'soulburn'; it has a 30% proc rate with everything you do, does physical dmg equal to our MAGIC attack (not soulforce) which means if I increase my magic attack by double, triple sparking, magical shackles procs hurt the low-base-defense psychics a lot
-sleep
-seal of the gods (an immobilize + seal + 90% dmg reduction to you, except for cleric's mark of weakness/bm's blade tornado/seekers metal 2 spark aoe/mystic's absorb soul, which ignore this dmg reduction)

They can tank your damage with:

-2 morai heals
-variety of heals if in normal mode
-purify (remove your -channeling debuff, earth defense debuff if you are demon, immobilizes, slows, extreme poison amp)
-guardian light (60% dmg reduction for 10 seconds)
-wings of protection (shield that absorbs dmg equal to 20% of my max hp)
-pious blessing (a 12 second skill that, if I die, I recover 50% hp instead; its like a short-lasting version of barbarian's 'cornered beast' or assassin's 'deaden nerves')

They keep you locked down with:
-sleep
-seal of gods
-another immobilize (if they need to run, they can put this on you when the other 2 are in cooldown and back away)

They kill you best with:

-razor feathers (our physical aoe) or plume shot crits when you are near half hp
-stacking healing debuff, ticking your charm with mark of weakness, then your charm ticks and you are 2-3 hits from dying

Videos showing me beating up psychics:
1. Older footage, we had roughly same r9rr jaded +12 gear
2. Fighting two r9rr psychics at same time who had +12 wep but no jades
3. Short fight against same psychic as in #1
4. Physical dmg wrecking a r9rr +12 dot psychic

Heart of steel may not always help you, as you can see in video 4. Belief on genie is pretty much a must. If you can start to predict when i'll use seal of the gods, will surge could be your friend. Use dots on the cleric, hit them to near half hp, stun them, do some dmg. Then you might consider anti stun apoth + will surge to prevent them from offensively retaliating to your combo. Thats probably your best bet.

Other than that?

Pray! (Or hope that cleric is not very good.)

All those useless psychics.......
No wonder you think you are the ****

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Aeliah is right, psychics are really lame at end game (especially in 1v1s).

Any class is, depends on who plays it.

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Any class is, depends on who plays it.

Nope, some classes just don't have the tools to be effective no matter who was playing it. It wouldn't matter if Chuck Norris was playing a fully maxed psychic, I would still dominate it in a 1v1. Psychics are squishy (even in white voodoo) and lack the DD (or more specifically.. the amps/debuffs) necessary to be competitive in a 1v1 against most end game classes (maybe you guys have a chance against archers..? Not really sure what else).