Vs. Cleric PK

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Nope, some classes just don't have the tools to be effective no matter who was playing it. It wouldn't matter if Chuck Norris was playing a fully maxed psychic, I would still dominate it in a 1v1. Psychics are squishy (even in white voodoo) and lack the DD (or more specifically.. the amps/debuffs) necessary to be competitive in a 1v1 against most end game classes (maybe you guys have a chance against archers..? Not really sure what else).

there are always ways to go

Adroit - Lost City

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

there are always ways to go

and by that you mean..?

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

and by that you mean..?

That means any class can own, if they have the right players.

Adroit - Lost City

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

That means any class can own, if they have the right players.

As nice as that'd be if it were true, it simply isn't the case.

Longknife - Harshlands

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Nope, some classes just don't have the tools to be effective no matter who was playing it. It wouldn't matter if Chuck Norris was playing a fully maxed psychic, I would still dominate it in a 1v1. Psychics are squishy (even in white voodoo) and lack the DD (or more specifically.. the amps/debuffs) necessary to be competitive in a 1v1 against most end game classes (maybe you guys have a chance against archers..? Not really sure what else).

While I agree people need to come to terms with that fact that each class effectively has ~2 weaknesses they can't overcome if the opponent is smart and doesn't **** up or get epic bad luck, I find it odd you're claiming a wizard can't beat a psy, cause my experience has been the exact opposite (cept a wiz can beat a psy, I just feel psy has a definite advantage). I've actually had people on my server voice surprise when I 1v1ed and beat wizards with far superior gear to my own (JOSD and morai gear plus +10 armors and +12 wep, I only match the +12 wep and have +8 armors) with their reaction being that wiz must suck, mine being more "never felt hard and think he was fighting the uphill battle."
I've actually had people name you saying you have vids or something and claim you never lose to psys and that it's too bad we can't fight. Seeing your posts firsthand now, yeah it is too bad, cause I'd like to see what would happen.


And on that subject, you want the two classes psy can't beat as long as the opponent has an IQ above 90? Cleric and mystic. Each one can match our DPS with heals, each one has an omgwtfbbq combo that makes many psy skills irrelevant.

Adroit - Lost City

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

While I agree people need to come to terms with that fact that each class effectively has ~2 weaknesses they can't overcome if the opponent is smart and doesn't **** up or get epic bad luck, I find it odd you're claiming a wizard can't beat a psy, cause my experience has been the exact opposite (cept a wiz can beat a psy, I just feel psy has a definite advantage). I've actually had people on my server voice surprise when I 1v1ed and beat wizards with far superior gear to my own (JOSD and morai gear plus +10 armors and +12 wep, I only match the +12 wep and have +8 armors) with their reaction being that wiz must suck, mine being more "never felt hard and think he was fighting the uphill battle."
I've actually had people name you saying you have vids or something and claim you never lose to psys and that it's too bad we can't fight. Seeing your posts firsthand now, yeah it is too bad, cause I'd like to see what would happen.


And on that subject, you want the two classes psy can't beat as long as the opponent has an IQ above 90? Cleric and mystic. Each one can match our DPS with heals, each one has an omgwtfbbq combo that makes many psy skills irrelevant.

What..? I think you must have been reading somebody else's post.. I think that psys are a gimped class at end game (meaning they are underpowered), and I have never lost to a psy 1v1 since I got into my r9rr gear.

edit: Ah nvm, I think you just typo'd (can't -> can). Anyway, pvp gets a lot different at end game.. in +8/+10 gear with random shards you can probably kill your opponent with random skill spam.. at +12 josd it just isn't enough. This is where psys have the trouble.. when random skills can't kill anymore.. psys are really really limited in their options. Wizards don't rely on random skill spam nearly as much though.. we still have undine and spark (among other things) which means we can tank you.. and you can't tank us (even in white voodoo). Doesn't make for a very fair 1v1, but that's how it is at end game.

It is too bad that we can't 1v1, would love to see a server merge.. but knowing pwi it will probably never happen

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Adroit, I would correct you a bit: a *sage* psychic will have difficulty KILLING you in 1v1. In white voodoo + soul of fire genie, they could probably TANK you for a long time, with the same problem they have against me: they can hit me all day long in white and I'll probably never even charm tick.

There's also the fact that DEMON psychics might have a chance where a sage doesn't, in that they can get those crit bursts. If we consider that a psychic might be doing, lets say, 2.5k hits on average, if they are a demon and use landslide plus that 2 spark skill of theirs, they might hit, lets say, 3k, and if they crit 3 times in a row (actually well within the realms of possibility) they could kill you with 6k 6k 6k, or something like that. Whether they can repeat their kill combos frequently enough to put your apo/genie and defensive skills into cd is another story altogether of course. But they *can* do enough damage, of that there is no question. It stands to reason that a talented psy could do ok, as long as they avoid the physical dmg from wiz blade tempest.

Adroit, its also a little bit... hmm. Arguably you and I are probably among the best of our class, certainly within our respective servers. Its not quite fair to say there aren't psychics out there who can match us; we can only give opinions on what we've seen on our home servers.

It is fair, however, to show some of the weaknesses the psychic class has that we can exploit in 1vs1.

#1: Lack of physical dmg of significance means in a 1vs1, you can exchange physical defense ornaments for magic defense ornaments.
#2: Low base physical defense due to lack of self-buff that increases physical defense (which all other arcane classes have). This makes them very vulnerable when purged in black voodoo, or when doing self-buffed fights, to being charm bypassed by physical dmg crits.
#3: Lack of mobility: wizards have their ports and venos just run fast period, but psychics are slow. This weakness is also shared by clerics and mystics.
#4: Lack of heal spammability: as mentioned in 3, clerics and mystics share lack of mobility. However they make up for this with spammable, strong heals. Psychics do have one heal, but its not instant; its slow enough that if I'm in UVD spamming healing debuffs, I can negate it, and keep their hp near half where I want it.
#5: Inability to kill other arcane r9rr jaded targets outside of black voodoo. Sure, white voodoo is great for tanking... stuff. But its just not possible to kill r9rr arcanes in white. If a 30 minute draw or eventual loss is fine with you, then by all means stay in white all day long, but if you actually want to kill stuff (which is what your class is for, it is a pure dd class), then you must use black, and if you use black, you are vulnerable.
#6: Rely on luck to tank you in black: due to the above, a psychic has to rely on their seals to survive others a lot of the time. If for some reason you aren't getting sealed (will surge, belief, immune to damage, just plain bad luck on their part), then they are vulnerable.

These are the top reasons I can think of as to why psychics will have difficulty in a lot of 1vs1 situations, particularly when fighting me.

A psychic excels in groups, where they can play one of two roles: white voodoo support (get in front of allies and seal your enemies, immobilize, and stun, etc), and offensive cannon (stay a bit further back, black voodoo nuke tough people who are distracted by your allies). There is no question that they are magical dps powerhouses.

Cheers,

Aeliah

Adroit - Lost City

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Adroit, I would correct you a bit: a *sage* psychic will have difficulty KILLING you in 1v1. In white voodoo + soul of fire genie, they could probably TANK you for a long time, with the same problem they have against me: they can hit me all day long in white and I'll probably never even charm tick.

There's also the fact that DEMON psychics might have a chance where a sage doesn't, in that they can get those crit bursts. If we consider that a psychic might be doing, lets say, 2.5k hits on average, if they are a demon and use landslide plus that 2 spark skill of theirs, they might hit, lets say, 3k, and if they crit 3 times in a row (actually well within the realms of possibility) they could kill you with 6k 6k 6k, or something like that. Whether they can repeat their kill combos frequently enough to put your apo/genie and defensive skills into cd is another story altogether of course. But they *can* do enough damage, of that there is no question. It stands to reason that a talented psy could do ok, as long as they avoid the physical dmg from wiz blade tempest.

Adroit, its also a little bit... hmm. Arguably you and I are probably among the best of our class, certainly within our respective servers. Its not quite fair to say there aren't psychics out there who can match us; we can only give opinions on what we've seen on our home servers.

I really don't think demon psychics would stand much of a chance either tbh. You have to remember that most of a psychics DD skills are earth.. and I have earth shield which means those skills really don't do much to me. Also, wizards basically force psychics into white voodoo for a majority of the fight because the first hit in a sutra spark combo is basically impossible to resist (mainly due to latency issues.. often times the damage is already calculated before the animation shows up on target's screen and they can even begin to react). Being that I hit maxed psys in black for 5 digits non-crit with this combo.. a crit will one shot or I can just poke them down to half before going for a guaranteed bypass. It is disgustingly good, and psychics learn very quickly that they sit in white voodoo in a 1v1 against a decent wiz.. and only come out for short stints, which is not going to be enough to force genie/apoth and go for a kill (as you hinted at). Their damage in white voodoo is obviously not threatening, and they still aren't safe because I can still crit in a sutra combo for 5 digits when they are in white. It's just a matter of time until I get that crit.. and with over 20% crit rate, that means if they just try to survive they can tank me for maybe ~5 mins on average (maybe ~10mins with some bad luck/mistakes on my part). You are correct that they *can* do enough damage (like if I were afk), but if you were to have a perfect wiz fight a perfect psy 10,000 times.. I think the wiz would win significantly more than the psy (I'd be surprised if the psy could kill the wiz even 10% of the time.. but that is obviously just a guess).

I also appreciate what you are saying about not fighting a good psy is not the same as there are no good psys, but I think you can get an idea of what they are capable of to a reasonable level of certainty. I mean there are no bms on my server that can beat me atm, but I would never say that wizards dominate bms.. they have enough scary stuff available to them where I think one that was played right and with equivalent gear could potentially best me. I just can't see that happening with a psychic though, I really can't think of anything they could do that would be an issue for me. Obviously just because I can't think of anything doesn't mean someone else wouldn't, but I am confident enough to form and share my opinion on the matter anyway :P

LuciferV - Raging Tide

All talk and no actions.. pointless, too bad we cant fight... many walls of texts cant convince anyone...

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

All talk and no actions.. pointless, too bad we cant fight... many walls of texts cant convince anyone...

We make videos. You don't. That means you can go and SEE us in action anytime you want, but unless you can present something similar, your words are truly hot air. Words backed up by evidence have power beyond the pixels/ink that are used to inscribe them. Words can express ideas and ideas... well surely you've seen Inception by now.

Cheers!

Aeliah

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We make videos. You don't. That means you can go and SEE us in action anytime you want, but unless you can present something similar, your words are truly hot air. Words backed up by evidence have power beyond the pixels/ink that are used to inscribe them. Words can express ideas and ideas... well surely you've seen Inception by now.

Cheers!

Aeliah

Vid? Sure http://www.youtube.com/user/kennyus2000
Then again, DW is DW.
You still is a all talk unless we fight, too bad...
And once again, you only THINK that YOU are the shiit because you own in that little DW server...

Adroit - Lost City

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Vid? Sure http://www.youtube.com/user/kennyus2000
Then again, DW is DW.
You still is a all talk unless we fight, too bad...
And once again, you only THINK that YOU are the shiit because you own in that little DW server...

RT talking smack on any other server..? lol

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Vid? Sure http://www.youtube.com/user/kennyus2000
Then again, DW is DW.
You still is a all talk unless we fight, too bad...
And once again, you only THINK that YOU are the shiit because you own in that little DW server...

1st: you've been gone for nearly a year, if your video history is any indicator. Videos a year old I don't even need to look at, in terms of changing gear and skills, those are practically antique.

2nd: Of the videos newer than 1 year old, only 1 has anything to do with pvp. (They are all very nice videos btw, you are definitely a better editor than I am in terms of making the game look nice). In that video, I see a 15 second clip of you killing a cleric who appears to have... 5k hp. Yup, 5k, lol. A charm tick from a 3.8k, then nearly dead from a 3.9k, cleric had no soulburn on atm and wasn't be hit from anybody else. So we know nothing about you you fight endgame clerics from the videos you show, pretty as they are.

3. The most interesting real fight I could find was a snippet showing you blowing up a 13k hp barb buffed psychic with tide spirit and then one-shotting a wizard. Not much can be learned from that either, unfortunately.

4. My gear is probably better than yours. Given a base hp of 14.2k, you are missing a few +12s, which means my soulforce is probably comparable to yours; your 2500 belt of course makes up a bit for that, but I'll still get near 10k healing debuff stacked on you. When your charm ticks, you'll be at 4.2-4.5k, which is 1 crit in black, or 2 in white, from death. Crit rate with a debuff in on you is 18+15 = 33, so not exactly a rarity either.

In other words: where on earth do you get your confidence from? I'm not really mentioning your abilities to 1vs1 other classes, that is more Adroit's idea. You seem convinced that you've got the ability to 1vs1 good endgame clerics, but I'm just not seeing how you can feel that way. Clerics aren't like other classes. The typical genie's just don't work. Their combos are weird and unlike any other classes, nothing else is remotely similar except perhaps the mystic debuff that steals between 20-40% of your healing, and that debuff still acts in a completely different way.

Now unlike you, I have EXTENSIVE experience fighting a variety of psychics, and I've been pvping steadily for the last year, so I'm anything but rusty. But if you are going to tell me you haven't fought your server's best clerics (I know raging tides has some pretty well geared ones, some of them are pretty decent; in fact, while I'm pretty much the only really decked out r9rr cleric on my server, your server sports at least 4 with gear the equal of mine) you are the one who is blowing hot air. Big time. I've published four videos fighting psychics exclusively. Have you even looked at them to see what happens to them when I apply the combo? Do you think your gear is better than the full jaded psychic in videos 1 and 3? I'll bet its not. For certainty you won't hit harder than the psychic in video 4: he's full attack lvls.

I've been dangerous on my server for a while, so the people I regularly fight have tried all sorts of things against me. What would you try that I haven't seen I wonder. Oh, I know, will surge!... no, no, belief. Yup, that is a new idea. Refer to my v3 video against the archer... oh, how about ... heart of steel! Yeah, that'll really help you as a psychic... NOT, psychics in PARTICULAR are vulnerable to physical dmg, I'll just plume shot instead. Wait, wait, I know. You'll try something particularly tricky... adrenaline surge! Wow, you really are smart. Because I, like, have never seen that tried before... okay, I lie, I've seen it... once, twice, ok, quite often from this one particular bm. You'll try tide spirit and will surge, but I'll sleep. You'll try tide spirit and will surge AND anti stun, and I'll use my apoth. You'll use soul of stunning and I may hit you on purpose, you'll go black voodoo (or else what was the point) and I'll belief and seal of gods you... wait you had in will surge? Sleep instead.

No, I've read your mind... with my cleripsychic powers... wait for it...

"tl;dr"

Aww, aren't you clever. Just adorable. So original! How on earth did you come up with that. Such a smart little boy!...

I'm sure there are psychics out there who can do some pretty amazing things against me, but I'm just not seeing you be that person. Your gear isn't good enough, you haven't been playing much in the last year, and you haven't given me a single iota of evidence to show that you know anything about how deadly endgame clerics are.

Cheers,

Aeliah

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1st: you've been gone for nearly a year, if your video history is any indicator. Videos a year old I don't even need to look at, in terms of changing gear and skills, those are practically antique.

2nd: Of the videos newer than 1 year old, only 1 has anything to do with pvp. (They are all very nice videos btw, you are definitely a better editor than I am in terms of making the game look nice). In that video, I see a 15 second clip of you killing a cleric who appears to have... 5k hp. Yup, 5k, lol. A charm tick from a 3.8k, then nearly dead from a 3.9k, cleric had no soulburn on atm and wasn't be hit from anybody else. So we know nothing about you you fight endgame clerics from the videos you show, pretty as they are.

3. The most interesting real fight I could find was a snippet showing you blowing up a 13k hp barb buffed psychic with tide spirit and then one-shotting a wizard. Not much can be learned from that either, unfortunately.

4. My gear is probably better than yours. Given a base hp of 14.2k, you are missing a few +12s, which means my soulforce is probably comparable to yours; your 2500 belt of course makes up a bit for that, but I'll still get near 10k healing debuff stacked on you. When your charm ticks, you'll be at 4.2-4.5k, which is 1 crit in black, or 2 in white, from death. Crit rate with a debuff in on you is 18+15 = 33, so not exactly a rarity either.

In other words: where on earth do you get your confidence from? I'm not really mentioning your abilities to 1vs1 other classes, that is more Adroit's idea. You seem convinced that you've got the ability to 1vs1 good endgame clerics, but I'm just not seeing how you can feel that way. Clerics aren't like other classes. The typical genie's just don't work. Their combos are weird and unlike any other classes, nothing else is remotely similar except perhaps the mystic debuff that steals between 20-40% of your healing, and that debuff still acts in a completely different way.

Now unlike you, I have EXTENSIVE experience fighting a variety of psychics, and I've been pvping steadily for the last year, so I'm anything but rusty. But if you are going to tell me you haven't fought your server's best clerics (I know raging tides has some pretty well geared ones, some of them are pretty decent; in fact, while I'm pretty much the only really decked out r9rr cleric on my server, your server sports at least 4 with gear the equal of mine) you are the one who is blowing hot air. Big time. I've published four videos fighting psychics exclusively. Have you even looked at them to see what happens to them when I apply the combo? Do you think your gear is better than the full jaded psychic in videos 1 and 3? I'll bet its not. For certainty you won't hit harder than the psychic in video 4: he's full attack lvls.

I've been dangerous on my server for a while, so the people I regularly fight have tried all sorts of things against me. What would you try that I haven't seen I wonder. Oh, I know, will surge!... no, no, belief. Yup, that is a new idea. Refer to my v3 video against the archer... oh, how about ... heart of steel! Yeah, that'll really help you as a psychic... NOT, psychics in PARTICULAR are vulnerable to physical dmg, I'll just plume shot instead. Wait, wait, I know. You'll try something particularly tricky... adrenaline surge! Wow, you really are smart. Because I, like, have never seen that tried before... okay, I lie, I've seen it... once, twice, ok, quite often from this one particular bm. You'll try tide spirit and will surge, but I'll sleep. You'll try tide spirit and will surge AND anti stun, and I'll use my apoth. You'll use soul of stunning and I may hit you on purpose, you'll go black voodoo (or else what was the point) and I'll belief and seal of gods you... wait you had in will surge? Sleep instead.

No, I've read your mind... with my cleripsychic powers... wait for it...

"tl;dr"

Aww, aren't you clever. Just adorable. So original! How on earth did you come up with that. Such a smart little boy!...

I'm sure there are psychics out there who can do some pretty amazing things against me, but I'm just not seeing you be that person. Your gear isn't good enough, you haven't been playing much in the last year, and you haven't given me a single iota of evidence to show that you know anything about how deadly endgame clerics are.

Cheers,

Aeliah

Another invalid wall of txt..... again, don't talk if we don't fight, that's all.
Try not to hurt yourself with that little ego you have
Anndd you are not the only OP cleric out there

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

RT talking smack on any other server..? lol

Give me another invalid wall of txt. 4k posts... b:bye all talk.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Another invalid wall of txt..... again, don't talk if we don't fight, that's all.
Try not to hurt yourself with that little ego you have
Anndd you are not the only OP cleric out there

Fail more. My ability to beat you up in an argument is only exceeded by my ability to crush psychics in 1vs1. Again, you are trying to use lip to worm your way out of an un-winnable position. Fool yourself some more, those that count see right through you... so much for psychic powers huh.

Aeliah

Longknife - Harshlands

Any psy who would claim we have an easy time with clerics is a friggin idiot. And as I recall, this particular idiot is the one whose vid shows him trip sparking nonstop. And he's demon.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Well... I suppose its difficult to accept that after button mashing to success in the mid gear levels, at endgames psychics are no longer the powerhouses they used to be. Of course a psychic still has a decent chance against many classes. Cleric just isn't one of them. As a cleric I have classes I'm not good against either! Namely, other clerics, and mystics. Barbs with heart of steel are tricky too though... tbh they are tricky for anybody. Yeah, lets leave it at that lol.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Okay, so are we going to hear anything more than "Cleric>>>>Psychic now roll over and die already " or what?
While I agree that Clerics/Mystics indeed have an advantage, I'd really hate to think that going against them at endgame levels is a exercise in futility...

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Okay, so are we going to hear anything more than "Cleric>>>>Psychic now roll over and die already " or what?
While I agree that Clerics/Mystics indeed have an advantage, I'd really hate to think that going against them at endgame levels is a exercise in futility...

A really clever psychic with excellent predictive abilities and a bit of luck can still beat up a cleric with average predictive abilities, no denying that. An average psychic (skillwise) with a ton of luck can still win against an average or good cleric. Its just that, yeah, gear and skill being somewhat equal, at endgame cleric has a noticeable advantage against psychics in the limited 1vs1 situation, and the cleric would be expected to win more of the fights.

There are things psychic does better: their crits can charm bypass more opponents in more cases than a cleric, leading to potentially faster kills on a lot of targets, especially in group situations. Psychics have way more aoes that don't cost boodles of chi or take forever to channel. Like archers, they are very efficient at dispatching weaker enemies in a way a cleric won't be able to replicate. That particular advantage just doesn't help though when we are talking about endgame, fully decked out gears, same as it does with archers, in 1vs1. I don't think its a weakness of the class, so much as a feature, or a tradeoff. Nobody expects every character to be good at everything, lol. I would never use my cleric to try soloing a boss in warsong when I can get my sin to do it in a fraction of the time. I wouldn't try aoeing with my cleric or sin when I can use my seeker. For a different situation is a different speciality!

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fail more. My ability to beat you up in an argument is only exceeded by my ability to crush psychics in 1vs1. Again, you are trying to use lip to worm your way out of an un-winnable position. Fool yourself some more, those that count see right through you... so much for psychic powers huh.

Aeliah

You are just all talk.... you are the one running your words with walls of text..
Im at 8th pk ranking all there after 1 year away from game, still 1st on psy and 1st on RT, where are you? And who are you here pulling ego?
And weren't you who killed +7s +5s and be proud of yourself?

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

You are just all talk.... you are the one running your words with walls of text..
Im at 8th pk ranking all there after 1 year away from game, still 1st on psy and 1st on RT, where are you? And who are you here pulling ego?
And weren't you who killed +7s +5s and be proud of yourself?

Oh man, I just gotta burst your bubble... the ranking system is broken. Been broken for a long time now, of course if you'd ACTUALLY CHECKED you'd know that...English ranking shows nothing for any of the servers, and French/German versions only show rankings for half the servers, and yes, Raging Tides is one of the ones it does not show. Anybody can see this:

English rankings, completely broken

German rankings, broken for Raging Tides

French rankings, broken for Raging Tides

Which means, you've just proven yourself to be a really bad liar. Didn't check the ranking, pretending that you are first psychic on broken rankings, when you haven't played for nearly a year. What a laugh.

As if that weren't enough, talented pvpers don't need a ranking system that simply records kill counts. Ridiculous on so many levels: who wants to kill random noobs all day long, when they clearly don't stand a chance? I don't. Abuse it by killing my alts endlessly to soar to top of rankings? Boring. What sort of cleric gets to kill people all TW long? Not this one, on Dreamweaver server healing clerics are in high demand. Only Raging Tides has that many excess clerics. And yet, for all those extra clerics, you STILL haven't even tried to show that you have a bloody clue what you are talking about when it comes to fighting clerics...

I call bullcrap. Every time you respond you keep proving how little you actually know about clerics and modern pvp in general. You are the one who is all talk. You don't have much to say, cuz you don't have much you can prove. I can fully back up everything I say, because unlike you, I am not a liar.

Check my videos, there's a lot of em. Recent ones. Nation Wars videos aside (don't choose your opponents there, though they are impressive in their own right), you won't find any videos of my PvP 1vs1 where I heavily outgear the opponent. Why would I show such boring fights... thats your area of expertise. In cases where there is some gear discrepancy, as in, they don't have full +12 yet on r9rr gear, I'm fighting 2vs1. All we've got from you is triple sparking against a 5k hp cleric... and not even one shotting the poor bugger.

How can you even look people in the eye.

You are just being pathetic now.

And in your own forums too.

For shame.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...For a different situation is a different speciality!

... ... ...Fair enough. Though if bypassing through crit-strings is our best shot while trying to mentally stay ahead of a target with so many annoying options, I'd almost regret not going Demon b:chuckle

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

blah blah blah

lol... old luci was number 1 on rankings of rt and of psys (which includes over longknife who likes to brag so much about his rank)... i doubt he got all that rusty... and...did you know that you can submit a ticket to find out what your ranking is? b:chuckle b:bye

Longknife - Harshlands

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol... old luci was number 1 on rankings of rt and of psys (which includes over longknife who likes to brag so much about his rank)... i doubt he got all that rusty... and...did you know that you can submit a ticket to find out what your ranking is? b:chuckle b:bye

Quoting this one cause I wanna point out the clear bias here:

So you question my experience with the class and I cite the rankings to say "hey, 20k+ kills. Be kinda hard to not know how2psy with that many...."

And this makes me an arrogant bragger?

Then Lucifer here has some stupid petty interbutts fight that amounts to "I'D KICK UR *** NOOB" followed by "NU UH NOOB IM BETTER" and a back-and-forth that will never have a resolution because these two will never fight...
And within THAT context, Lucifer brings up the rankings COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED when the discussion isn't his skill or experience, but rather how Psys do vs clerics...

And he's justified and not in the slightest bit egotistical?



Ijs, I'm noticing a pattern where Psys who disagree with you get all the words and traits with negative connotation assigned to them while those that don't get to be ok?




On that note....

Yes, he's not lying about being at the top. I actually think before the rankings crashed I was pretty close to him (think he had like 28k and I had 22k or 24k), so that might not be the same anymore or for long, but still he's right that the LAST records show him at the top.



Having said that, to me the only thing rankings tell me is a player's experience, and this is a rule I apply only to my server, because I know what my server PKs like and know nothing of the PK style of other servers. For example on Harshlands is basically an unspoken acknowledgement that the very players with the best kills-per-death ratios are actually some of the worst players due to a combination of targeting anything they can (minor amounts of stat-padding here and there), and more importantly, they're HORRENDOUS at teamwork. High KPD for Harshlands is meaningless, because the very people with high KPD are those most likely to use their allies as human shields or run away/Morai teleport in the midst of a battle. (not joking) For my server at least though, ~75% of the names with high kill counts are pretty good players. (the other 25% being cashshop dependent players and a rather comical sin who will charge fullspeed at a brick wall (a character that slaughters him) all day long, but by god he'll manage three kills on that target somewhere along the way.



But as I said, I only apply that general rule-of-thumb to Harshlands, because I know kill-farming isn't common here but KPD padding (avoiding death like the plague) is; another server could very well be the opposite, with people taking free kills 24/7 but caring little for KPD.


If you really wish to evaluate his playstyle and his skill? Watch his videos. Watch videos others have made when fighting him. Watch the ones he made himself.


Personally I just see some idiot demon psychic that loves to triple spark, tide spirit and.....well, run around. :U But hey maybe I'm missing something since my experience with high kill-count guys on Harshlands says "show some respect" but my gut after watching his vids says "llololololololololl." He is however utilizing Throatcut for Expel and combining anti-stun apoth with Lawbreaker, if I saw correct, so while I have my criticisms, I've seen worse. Only Raging Tides users could tell us how it truly is.

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Quoting this one cause I wanna point out the clear bias here:

So you question my experience with the class and I cite the rankings to say "hey, 20k+ kills. Be kinda hard to not know how2psy with that many...."

And this makes me an arrogant bragger?

Then Lucifer here has some stupid petty interbutts fight that amounts to "I'D KICK UR *** NOOB" followed by "NU UH NOOB IM BETTER" and a back-and-forth that will never have a resolution because these two will never fight...
And within THAT context, Lucifer brings up the rankings COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED when the discussion isn't his skill or experience, but rather how Psys do vs clerics...

And he's justified and not in the slightest bit egotistical?



Ijs, I'm noticing a pattern where Psys who disagree with you get all the words and traits with negative connotation assigned to them while those that don't get to be ok?




On that note....

Yes, he's not lying about being at the top. I actually think before the rankings crashed I was pretty close to him (think he had like 28k and I had 22k or 24k), so that might not be the same anymore or for long, but still he's right that the LAST records show him at the top.



Having said that, to me the only thing rankings tell me is a player's experience, and this is a rule I apply only to my server, because I know what my server PKs like and know nothing of the PK style of other servers. For example on Harshlands is basically an unspoken acknowledgement that the very players with the best kills-per-death ratios are actually some of the worst players due to a combination of targeting anything they can (minor amounts of stat-padding here and there), and more importantly, they're HORRENDOUS at teamwork. High KPD for Harshlands is meaningless, because the very people with high KPD are those most likely to use their allies as human shields or run away/Morai teleport in the midst of a battle. (not joking) For my server at least though, ~75% of the names with high kill counts are pretty good players. (the other 25% being cashshop dependent players and a rather comical sin who will charge fullspeed at a brick wall (a character that slaughters him) all day long, but by god he'll manage three kills on that target somewhere along the way.



But as I said, I only apply that general rule-of-thumb to Harshlands, because I know kill-farming isn't common here but KPD padding (avoiding death like the plague) is; another server could very well be the opposite, with people taking free kills 24/7 but caring little for KPD.


If you really wish to evaluate his playstyle and his skill? Watch his videos. Watch videos others have made when fighting him. Watch the ones he made himself.


Personally I just see some idiot demon psychic that loves to triple spark, tide spirit and.....well, run around. :U But hey maybe I'm missing something since my experience with high kill-count guys on Harshlands says "show some respect" but my gut after watching his vids says "llololololololololl." He is however utilizing Throatcut for Expel and combining anti-stun apoth with Lawbreaker, if I saw correct, so while I have my criticisms, I've seen worse. Only Raging Tides users could tell us how it truly is.

Haters gonna hate learn to chill dude

LuciferV - Raging Tide

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh man, I just gotta burst your bubble... the ranking system is broken. Been broken for a long time now, of course if you'd ACTUALLY CHECKED you'd know that...English ranking shows nothing for any of the servers, and French/German versions only show rankings for half the servers, and yes, Raging Tides is one of the ones it does not show. Anybody can see this:

English rankings, completely broken

German rankings, broken for Raging Tides

French rankings, broken for Raging Tides

Which means, you've just proven yourself to be a really bad liar. Didn't check the ranking, pretending that you are first psychic on broken rankings, when you haven't played for nearly a year. What a laugh.

As if that weren't enough, talented pvpers don't need a ranking system that simply records kill counts. Ridiculous on so many levels: who wants to kill random noobs all day long, when they clearly don't stand a chance? I don't. Abuse it by killing my alts endlessly to soar to top of rankings? Boring. What sort of cleric gets to kill people all TW long? Not this one, on Dreamweaver server healing clerics are in high demand. Only Raging Tides has that many excess clerics. And yet, for all those extra clerics, you STILL haven't even tried to show that you have a bloody clue what you are talking about when it comes to fighting clerics...

I call bullcrap. Every time you respond you keep proving how little you actually know about clerics and modern pvp in general. You are the one who is all talk. You don't have much to say, cuz you don't have much you can prove. I can fully back up everything I say, because unlike you, I am not a liar.

Check my videos, there's a lot of em. Recent ones. Nation Wars videos aside (don't choose your opponents there, though they are impressive in their own right), you won't find any videos of my PvP 1vs1 where I heavily outgear the opponent. Why would I show such boring fights... thats your area of expertise. In cases where there is some gear discrepancy, as in, they don't have full +12 yet on r9rr gear, I'm fighting 2vs1. All we've got from you is triple sparking against a 5k hp cleric... and not even one shotting the poor bugger.

How can you even look people in the eye.

You are just being pathetic now.

And in your own forums too.

For shame.

Blame the ranking, still u aint anything special either another the wall of text to prove completely nothing. I love it when I make jumpy kids jumping around because their egos are bigger than what they actually have.

JackieK - Harshlands

LuciferV - Raging Tide wrote: »

Blame the ranking, still u aint anything special either another the wall of text to prove completely nothing. I love it when I make jumpy kids jumping around because their egos are bigger than what they actually have.

Funny how you bring up other peoples egos..

Euzebe - Sanctuary

Can't we just all be friends?

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Euzebe - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can't we just all be friends?

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

Psychic forums are not a happy place...

Nope.