HA Cleric

Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »

Recently I decided my cleric needed a little help. She had been sitting virtually unused (except for buffing or opening TT or whatever) due to extreme squishiness. Old stats were a mix of R8 and TT99 gear, not quite pure magic build (had a little vitality). I was considering getting Awakened Archangel Gear for it, but then I realized it would be far cheaper just to get 2 reset notes for magic and vit, then restat to use my seeker's gear. All of the gear she is using I already had.

I set the stats so that I could use the HA gear with either Dominance or Emperor (I have multiples) but still be able to equip R8 or R9 weapon (I'm undecided on whether or not I will get R9 for it). I think my next goals are better channeling necklace and belt (current channeling is 24% or 30% with R8 ring).

New build

Magic defense is improved by about 1000 points, physical defense by 15000 points. Magic attack is decreased by around 2000 points.

I was using a magic Badge of the Cube Defiance necklace, but I traded it for a physical defense one for my wiz.

Honestly it is a lot of fun to play. I haven't died a single time in PvE playing it. I played 6 nation wars on it so far and I was impressed with it. I cant really kill anyone but still get high scores (10-15k contribution with maybe 5-10 total kills and a few, if any, deaths).

Anyway, just thought I would share.

Pointless Pic

b:victory I approve of the above post.

HA cleric is a very fun build to play and does hold up well compared to a standard full magic build. Prior to Nation Wars and the infestation of so many r9rr casters this was a very viable build - however as I have found out it does struggle a bit against these casters.

Your build is close to mine, I have full G16 set +10/11 refines, I do have the r9rr weapon and belt and also use an elemental cube neck. Next upgrade for me is to recast the r9 ring which should push me close to 15k mdef.

Like you said this build is almost unkillable in pve and there are not many bosses in the game that I can't solo (some just take far too long to be worth it).

Raziyal - Archosaur wrote: »

Does anybody know how a HA cleric does in Warsong? with BB/Healing.

Reason i ask is coz it would be easier for me to transfer my HA venos gear haha

The same thing than a AA cleric, a cleric in ws is a cleric, you job is to keep the squad alive.

tweakz wrote: »

BS. Not so great geared Barbs have to carry pots or die because of weak healing clerics with much cheaper gear than the barb. My wiz struggles or rejects such fail clerics in RB as well.

Your point? A HA cleric should not heal in ws? So what he/she should do? DD?

Some pure magic cleric R9 are worse than TT99 vit cleric, a good cleric have nothing to do with his build/weapon, but on how the person is skilled.

A cleric can have all the magic points and a R9+12, it's useless if he don't know how to use it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Your point? A HA cleric should not heal in ws? So what he/she should do? DD?

Some pure magic cleric R9 are worse than TT99 vit cleric, a good cleric have nothing to do with his build/weapon, but on how the person is skilled.

A cleric can have all the magic points and a R9+12, it's useless if he don't know how to use it.

Thats exactly right. Craptastic clerics giving the more skilled players a bad name >.<

Clerics are definently skill>gear =D

tweakz wrote: »

HA clerics shouldn't exist.

Source?

tweakz wrote: »

BH metal is often best healed by Regeneration Aura which has zilch to do with skill. If you knew what skill was: I'd think you'd know this.

He asked for warsong, not specially for BH Snake, in the fire and water pav BB get often interrupted at the point that it's better to don't set it and to use other heals. (not CHB)

Yeaves demands more 'pointless pics'

l really don't see why you're worried about the amount you're healing. With your gear, you can pretty much tank. Your wizard can already tank better than some barbs l know.

SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only concern here is when you're using bb. Heal is lower indeed but it's never been less than "enough" to my own experience. For every other situation you may be willing to wear -9% necklace and belt to help with the heal/time equation. Essentially you're trading some attack power to gain survivability and it works rather great.

Nice necro... RAWR

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Heavy armor clerics/vitality build clerics have to heal more to get the same effect. Doesn't mean they *can't* heal enough. But it really depends on their magic attack and whether they are compensating for lower magic attack by healing more frequently.

Please explain how you compensate for lower magic attack by healing more frequently with Regeneration Aura.

I'd take the heavy armor cleric who is literally spam healing over the arcane cleric with maybe 33% more magic attack who heals 50% less. The heavy armor dude will be actually providing more heals if this were the case.

The heavy armor dude couldn't keep a squad alive that was sharing aggro among multiple mobs as good as the other dude.

And really, there is a point where enough healing is enough. Take me for example: my stream of rejuvenation heals for roughly 18k hp.

To be HA; You'd likely not be rank. You'd also be lacking the +mag from G16 AA gears. With 4 G16 AA gears and a +12 G16 wand with 1 sapphire gem: my matk is ~20k.

[Heal the target's HP, recovering 1800 plus 60% of your base
magic attack and an additional 1800 HP over 15 seconds.]

60% of 20k is 12k. 12k+1.8k is 13.8k but wait: it's spread out over 15 seconds, and the ch/ cast is 2.5/1! That's less that 1k per second for 1 cast. Now please show us how you as HA are getting 18k heals.

Thats over the max hp of most people you'd squad with in a normal warsong run.

Do bosses / mobs hit only once every 15 seconds? Do you use SoR for sin tanks?

Overkill. Fact is, a stream of rejuvenation that only healed for... 12k?... would be still be more than enough heals.

Pure mage +12 weapon G16 here with over 500 mag. I would totally welcome stronger heals! Overkill just isn't possible from my perspective.

To reject heavy armor clerics outright without looking at their weapon refines and their playstyle is stupid.

I never see an HA cleric with a decent enough weapon to consider. I'm not saying they don't exist: I'm saying it's just not common. It's not common for a reason. My cleric has no rank gear, no armor/ornament refines over +10, no patk rings, and can tank BH SoT, Aba, Lunar, Metal, and many other things.

I do feel the argument could be swayed toward low matk, but I don't hold it as much against pure mag clerics with low matk because at least they're visibly conscious of the weak heal issue. 99% of the time when one argues survivability from vit/HA: they are defending their right to use other people's charms and pots to compensate their own shortcoming.

To accept all heavy armor clerics outright without evaluating their weapon refines and their playstyle... is also kinda stupid.

Kinda stupid to let them teleport to Warsong for metal and drop mirages before kicking them when every one you've seen prior is a waste of squad space there.

Players have gotten so bad and so reliant on others compensating for them. If I'm wrong: then why is there so much favoritism for seekers/ sins in RB when a squad with a wiz and no sin *could* do so much better (if getting proper heals)? This is an old instance that hasn't been revamped and we still get fail runs for wave 2 there.

tweakz wrote: »

To be HA; You'd likely not be rank. You'd also be lacking the +mag from G16 AA gears. With 4 G16 AA gears and a +12 G16 wand with 1 sapphire gem: my matk is ~20k.

Pure mage +12 weapon G16 here with over 500 mag. I would totally welcome stronger heals! Overkill just isn't possible from my perspective.

Players have gotten so bad and so reliant on others compensating for them. If I'm wrong: then why is there so much favoritism for seekers/ sins in RB when a squad with a wiz and no sin *could* do so much better (if getting proper heals)? This is an old instance that hasn't been revamped and we still get fail runs for wave 2 there.

so let me get this straight:
1. you want 20k mattack heals
2. you say that there is no reason to get seekers/sins in w2 cause it's an old instance doable by a wiz with proper (I assume 20k base) heals

well, I've got some news for you, while delta was done /before/ seekers and sins, it was also done in an era when 20k base heals where simply NOT possible; 10k base attack was considered godly.

But yeah, in your perfect world you want your wizzie to be as good as a seeker+sin. and as that would require super heals to keep him alive so, by thumbs logic, clerics must be pure mag r9rr+12 otherwise you would have to take a hit in your ego i.e. that yeah, seeker+bp combo is the best aoe b:cute

in other words, you rely on others to compensate on your inability to form a regular squad which is rather pathetic; you can't expect a cleric to make a build fitting to your twisted view of metagame

btw tweakz, did I mention how deeply ironic is that you laugh and call noobs people that wc LF barb for X while yourself say that you *need* a pure mag cleric so you can do w2/snake? you are the same kind of noob players, the ones that are stuck in a 'perfect squad' midnset. in fact, they are better than you since they realise that a proper tank, instead of some ego-stroking derpa-derpa-i-need-more-attack pure glass cannon caster, would be better.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Spawn point also wasn't done in that era; those wizards were getting aura heals & defense buffs.

for full, yes, but at w2 I don't think that the effect was that great especially since we were getting mana auras first (also the wizzy didn't tank 100% of the time).

we moved to SP because of vortex and high DD/def casters, not because BB heals went from 2k to 4k every 5sec.