Tips for squishy veno in Warsong

What exactly are you having problems with? Kiting?

Also, post calc, plz.

There's tips & videos here: Venomancer Warsong Guide.

If that doesn't help at all then I'd need more details about what exactly you're struggling with since the post is a little vague. Is it low attack? Weak weapon? Not much HP? LA/HA/Vit build with low magic?

Mmm, maybe. Did you try Purging the buffs? I used to do it back in the days when my gear/weapon wasn't as good as it is now. I'd use Purge/Amplify Damage whenever I could and spam both Myriads (should be even easier for you as Sage). Basically, try to rely on debuffs.

I could suggest using a ranged pet to avoid them dying to the mobs exploding otherwise find a pet that has Howl and send it to debuff then call back.

here's my basic plan for defending warsong:
(yes, I'm a sage veno, so this is pretty much only doable for sage venos [the pretty much constant trip sparking])

1) use soul degen (sage) if you have it on the head when it spawns, cos it's fun to do lots of damage when the debuff wears off.

2) take the head down the pavillion until mobs start coming, then stun head with lucky scarab.

3) run up to nearby the first mob (holy path), trip spark, and spam venomous scarab until it either explodes or dies normally.

4) if you still have time on your spark, or the head is still far away, start using venomous scarab on the next mob.

5) stun the head with lucky scarab, run away to some other area of the pav using holy path

6) trip spark again since sage venos have heaps of chi, and attack the mobs again.

7) if things start to get hairy, and you have many mobs, throw in noxious gas when you can. parasitic nova only in emergencies, since it costs 2 sparks, and doesn't let explodey mobs explode.

8) remember to keep stunning the head, using holy path to get away, and venomous scarab so you can trip spark really often. oh, and use the +50 chi skill too.

9) rejoice at successful defence.

EDIT: don't bother with pets, heals waste killing time in my opinion, not worth the extra effort, also, since the mobs do magic damage, use channeling ornies.

ON_oFF,just get an hp charm and the most of issues will be solved.Kite with aoe(Noxious basically and if you are sage and have the new fox form,switch form for gain easier chi for Nova) and just run up and down is a good way for kill mobs and give time to yr pots/charm to recharge.Using pet is tricky,need to press more buttons,like heal pet,call/send and ofc will "bound" you to a very small area and that need time.W/o pet you ll have more open area to move and less worries.

Defending what? Fire? Metal? Wood? Earth? They all require slightly different strategies. Since you say you use - Chan ornaments I'll assume you are AA build.

Couple of different strategies you can use.

-Kiting : already enough explanation on for this on this thread

-Tanking the head : probably need a charm or genie with fast cd and pots. It can be easier since you don't have to run back and forth but be careful if you are doing earth or wood as the mobs can explode right next to you making you vulnerable.

-Pet tanking the head : I've seen venos do this with herc and glacier, and usually only on fire and metal. Like above you don't have to run around, but it can be tricky as you'll be spending half the time healing your pet. Usually have to have a very high magic attack for this to work.

-Sparktacular : requires a genie with Cloud Eruption and spark pots. Useful for sage venos with low mag attack as it gives an impressive boost, but need -Chan speed to make it really effective and the cost can add up in terms of chi pots.

-Come and get me : This extremely risky strategy is generally used by barbs, BMs, sins, and venos who have speed and defense but don't have enough killing power to kill the mobs fast enough. It involves a combination of kiting and tanking that gets harder over time as the number of mobs grows. Basically you anger the mobs and have them chase you around the room until the timer runs out. Since they do reset if not hit after a certain amount of time you have to run back and forth to capture them again and this requires pulling skills or enough time and HP to cast an AOE. It can work, but I wouldn't recommend it unless previous strategies go south (and they do) or you have no other options (not even the option of being the floater)

In either case I believe the pets DD is still useful if your having trouble doing enough yourself, just make sure to keep it off the head if you don't want the pet tanking it. If well used the pet shouldn't require much healing.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ugh wth is with those stats

Are you a half baked LA build or what? Your pdef is pitifully low. Are you using -chan orns? Why do you have so many random stats


Use pwcalc.com to give an accurate build please

Her stats aren't that bad. You need some STR to equip arcane and some venos like to have a little VIT. The low dex is proof that she is AA, not LA. Just because someone didn't stat 100% MAG doesn't mean their build is off.

Also, at this point I don't see how knowing this players EXACT build is going to enable anyone to help them further. After all the points and advice brought up on this forum the only advice left to give is either pick a strategy or develop your own, and practice.

hm perhaps a LA hat? and yeah, she mentioned one -chan orn + one lionheart
probably not an one-shot, even for a normal head since they hit my psy for around 4k and he has around 3k pdef (unbuffed)

just defended metal with a borrowed set of TT90 with some of my old gear
http://www.pwcalc.com/32d133e1515e1a06
uncharmed and unbuffed

so pretty sure gear/stat allocation isn't the problem.

I'll repeat my tips:
don't use a pet, I feel it's a waste of time
spark as often as you can while there's few mobs, and attack using venomous
lucky scarab the head when it gets near, then holy path, making sure you're always able to aggro the mobs as they pass
if there's 3 or more mobs, start using noxious as well
if the mobs start hurting, throw in a nova instead of sparking.
if you die, which is possible, just go back as fast as you can and re-aggro the mobs

I used to just dual Fire with an awesome veno friend until we were both comfortable to solo ourselves. I've not tried Metal, so these tips are really from my experience in Fire. A few tips, most will probably have already been posted, but-

-Earthquake is pretty useful in knocking the head back if it gets in close and you can't get away due to channeling a spell, etc.

-Demon frost scarab can be used to immobilize the head, however it does cost a spark :<

-I usually stand by the middle pot, and kite back and forth that little area while AoEing as fast as I can.

-Don't bother with a pet. The damage done is usually nothing special and distracts you from the mobs and head.

-Don't panic if you get purged. PK pills are pretty good to use in case this happens and the EP is busy helping in another pav. While being purged is rare, you may need to be able to solo unbuffed. [Got purged 3 times the last 3 warsongs I was in.. dafaq?]

-Generally, I save my sparks for Nova since after a couple of minutes in the pavillion I usually have 3 on my tail constantly.

-If you need any further advice or anything feel free to pm me in game

Ilyania - Lost City wrote: »

As the lovely Vivi said, if you need help, pm us in game. I've seen you around, and you even saw me get ganked today in pvp xD That aside, I will be willing to do some practice pav runs with you if you would like I would most likely have you watch first, and than we will give your try a run. Just shoot me a pm if you ever see me in game

b:shy Well, well, well, if it isn't my sexy ex-Pavillion partner ;3