Tips for squishy veno in Warsong

ON_oFF - Lost City

Hey guyz b:victory

Look i'm having this issue, its only been since the update with the veno instance and stuff. I find my veno is having trouble with soloing even the easy pav. She has 3rd cast, wrists and cape..and 2nd cast everything else most of it is +5 with perfect pdef shards.

Her herc is upgraded but it still doesn't seem to be helpful. I use crab meat, got a genie ofc..

Anyone got any tips or suggestions? i'm busy trying to work on her 3rd cast set ofc

b:cryb:surrenderb:angry

Eoria - Harshlands

What exactly are you having problems with? Kiting?

Also, post calc, plz.

ON_oFF - Lost City

haha no i can kite well for a sage veno

Not getting killed, when the mobs buff themselves i have alot of issues. tbh i can't really do the calc thing, i can't remember how much vit n stuff i put in..its been like 3yrs i've been playin the char.

as i said, she has wrists and cape that are nv3rd cast - both +5 crappy perfect cits
Chest, legs, bootz, helm are all 2nd cast nv +5 with perfect garnets
Orna well i use my BMs lionheart neck and a oht -6% chan neck both +5
rings i noticed i use a low lvl rank one and atm other slot is empty since i was trying to update. But it was oht -6% chan ring +3 lol.

I do have OHT orna and HH orna. My wep is the Staff of Deities. protection +7

with barb buffs i have 7.3k hp enough str for gear, alil dex even i think maybe and alittle vit..i was thinking of reseting but she is squishy as heck as it is

=\ i should know all my stats, and after game comes up i'll post them all..but i really don't remember right now

Desdi - Sanctuary

There's tips & videos here: Venomancer Warsong Guide.

If that doesn't help at all then I'd need more details about what exactly you're struggling with since the post is a little vague. Is it low attack? Weak weapon? Not much HP? LA/HA/Vit build with low magic?

ON_oFF - Lost City

She is sage, has decent atk low hp ok gear refine and ok gear. I can do it till those mobs buff.

So maybe its a mix of low atk and low hp?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Mmm, maybe. Did you try Purging the buffs? I used to do it back in the days when my gear/weapon wasn't as good as it is now. I'd use Purge/Amplify Damage whenever I could and spam both Myriads (should be even easier for you as Sage). Basically, try to rely on debuffs.

I could suggest using a ranged pet to avoid them dying to the mobs exploding otherwise find a pet that has Howl and send it to debuff then call back.

ON_oFF - Lost City

Without gear
Vit 42
str 70
mag 402
dex 6

with gear
vit 60
str 77
mag 475
dex 22

unbuffed
Mag atk is 8487 - 13070
pdef 2.6k
mag def 9.3k

Lazyneko - Sanctuary

here's my basic plan for defending warsong:
(yes, I'm a sage veno, so this is pretty much only doable for sage venos [the pretty much constant trip sparking])

1) use soul degen (sage) if you have it on the head when it spawns, cos it's fun to do lots of damage when the debuff wears off.

2) take the head down the pavillion until mobs start coming, then stun head with lucky scarab.

3) run up to nearby the first mob (holy path), trip spark, and spam venomous scarab until it either explodes or dies normally.

4) if you still have time on your spark, or the head is still far away, start using venomous scarab on the next mob.

5) stun the head with lucky scarab, run away to some other area of the pav using holy path

6) trip spark again since sage venos have heaps of chi, and attack the mobs again.

7) if things start to get hairy, and you have many mobs, throw in noxious gas when you can. parasitic nova only in emergencies, since it costs 2 sparks, and doesn't let explodey mobs explode.

8) remember to keep stunning the head, using holy path to get away, and venomous scarab so you can trip spark really often. oh, and use the +50 chi skill too.

9) rejoice at successful defence.

EDIT: don't bother with pets, heals waste killing time in my opinion, not worth the extra effort, also, since the mobs do magic damage, use channeling ornies.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

could also use pdef charms for sac heads/lag hits

Jasms - Lost City

ON_oFF,just get an hp charm and the most of issues will be solved.Kite with aoe(Noxious basically and if you are sage and have the new fox form,switch form for gain easier chi for Nova) and just run up and down is a good way for kill mobs and give time to yr pots/charm to recharge.Using pet is tricky,need to press more buttons,like heal pet,call/send and ofc will "bound" you to a very small area and that need time.W/o pet you ll have more open area to move and less worries.

Desdi - Sanctuary

It doesn't seem like your attack it too low, you just might be doing something wrong.

Try using Purge & Amplify, EP on genie might help too, throw Myriads, Noxious Gas & Parasitic Nova to AOE, run around all the time, Earthquake on genie will help knock back the head, stun/freeze the head, use Feral Concentration/Sutra/IG if things go bad or Bramble Hood from damage reduction.

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear

Defending what? Fire? Metal? Wood? Earth? They all require slightly different strategies. Since you say you use - Chan ornaments I'll assume you are AA build.

Couple of different strategies you can use.

-Kiting : already enough explanation on for this on this thread

-Tanking the head : probably need a charm or genie with fast cd and pots. It can be easier since you don't have to run back and forth but be careful if you are doing earth or wood as the mobs can explode right next to you making you vulnerable.

-Pet tanking the head : I've seen venos do this with herc and glacier, and usually only on fire and metal. Like above you don't have to run around, but it can be tricky as you'll be spending half the time healing your pet. Usually have to have a very high magic attack for this to work.

-Sparktacular : requires a genie with Cloud Eruption and spark pots. Useful for sage venos with low mag attack as it gives an impressive boost, but need -Chan speed to make it really effective and the cost can add up in terms of chi pots.

-Come and get me : This extremely risky strategy is generally used by barbs, BMs, sins, and venos who have speed and defense but don't have enough killing power to kill the mobs fast enough. It involves a combination of kiting and tanking that gets harder over time as the number of mobs grows. Basically you anger the mobs and have them chase you around the room until the timer runs out. Since they do reset if not hit after a certain amount of time you have to run back and forth to capture them again and this requires pulling skills or enough time and HP to cast an AOE. It can work, but I wouldn't recommend it unless previous strategies go south (and they do) or you have no other options (not even the option of being the floater)

In either case I believe the pets DD is still useful if your having trouble doing enough yourself, just make sure to keep it off the head if you don't want the pet tanking it. If well used the pet shouldn't require much healing.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

ON_oFF - Lost City wrote: »

Without gear
Vit 42
str 70
mag 402
dex 6

with gear
vit 60
str 77
mag 475
dex 22

unbuffed
Mag atk is 8487 - 13070
pdef 2.6k
mag def 9.3k

Ugh wth is with those stats

Are you a half baked LA build or what? Your pdef is pitifully low. Are you using -chan orns? Why do you have so many random stats


Use pwcalc.com to give an accurate build please

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ugh wth is with those stats

Are you a half baked LA build or what? Your pdef is pitifully low. Are you using -chan orns? Why do you have so many random stats


Use pwcalc.com to give an accurate build please

Her stats aren't that bad. You need some STR to equip arcane and some venos like to have a little VIT. The low dex is proof that she is AA, not LA. Just because someone didn't stat 100% MAG doesn't mean their build is off.

Also, at this point I don't see how knowing this players EXACT build is going to enable anyone to help them further. After all the points and advice brought up on this forum the only advice left to give is either pick a strategy or develop your own, and practice.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Uh, 70 STR base is not exactly AA or LA; 2.6K pdef indicates -chan orns with AA, i.e. oneshot by weak head

so we kind of have to know what the gear at least looks like and what pav OP is trying to solo

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

hm perhaps a LA hat? and yeah, she mentioned one -chan orn + one lionheart
probably not an one-shot, even for a normal head since they hit my psy for around 4k and he has around 3k pdef (unbuffed)

Desdi - Sanctuary

Most people would and should avoid being hit by the head at all costs either way, which I don't find too hard if you run around (Summer Sprint helps), Earthquake on genie to knock back when it gets too close and a variety of ways to keep it immobilized; Lucky Scarab, Stunning Blow, Parasitic Nova (get caught in AOE), Bewitch (seals & makes it move away).

The physical defence in low but it doesn't concern me when talking purely about defending and I'm assuming they are trying Metal and/or Fire because no sane Venomancer would try defending Earth/Wood if they struggle with Metal/Fire. I'm not even mentioning Water.

I don't deny the OP would probably need a reset scroll in the future though but that's off topic.

Lazyneko - Sanctuary

just defended metal with a borrowed set of TT90 with some of my old gear
http://www.pwcalc.com/32d133e1515e1a06
uncharmed and unbuffed

so pretty sure gear/stat allocation isn't the problem.

I'll repeat my tips:
don't use a pet, I feel it's a waste of time
spark as often as you can while there's few mobs, and attack using venomous
lucky scarab the head when it gets near, then holy path, making sure you're always able to aggro the mobs as they pass
if there's 3 or more mobs, start using noxious as well
if the mobs start hurting, throw in a nova instead of sparking.
if you die, which is possible, just go back as fast as you can and re-aggro the mobs

ON_oFF - Lost City

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ugh wth is with those stats

Are you a half baked LA build or what? Your pdef is pitifully low. Are you using -chan orns? Why do you have so many random stats


Use pwcalc.com to give an accurate build please

umm no i'm not half nuffin, this was a first char in pwi before i knew anythin about pwi. just never got round to restat.

ON_oFF - Lost City

ty everyone, i'll get there...doing ws pavs freaks me out cause i know if one person fails they all do..i dont wanna be the one to fudge it up for everyone. And as for stats tbh i can survive any other isntace just fine with my stats. i like a mix of fox form and normal...so i put the stats in i like. I do decent damage in fox to because of it.

I'll try all your tips out with a friend later, see if my nubness can do it..i guess practice makes perfect.i've just been to worried to practice =p cheers

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

ON_oFF - Lost City wrote: »

I'll try all your tips out with a friend later, see if my nubness can do it..i guess practice makes perfect.i've just been to worried to practice =p cheers

you can practise on bh snake runs; typically nobody cares if a pav or two fail there (most don't even defend). but yeah, practise is everything! if you fail and feel really guilty you can always cover the mirage cost for reopening although this is far from what everyone does.

Vedovis - Lost City

I used to just dual Fire with an awesome veno friend until we were both comfortable to solo ourselves. I've not tried Metal, so these tips are really from my experience in Fire. A few tips, most will probably have already been posted, but-

-Earthquake is pretty useful in knocking the head back if it gets in close and you can't get away due to channeling a spell, etc.

-Demon frost scarab can be used to immobilize the head, however it does cost a spark :<

-I usually stand by the middle pot, and kite back and forth that little area while AoEing as fast as I can.

-Don't bother with a pet. The damage done is usually nothing special and distracts you from the mobs and head.

-Don't panic if you get purged. PK pills are pretty good to use in case this happens and the EP is busy helping in another pav. While being purged is rare, you may need to be able to solo unbuffed. [Got purged 3 times the last 3 warsongs I was in.. dafaq?]

-Generally, I save my sparks for Nova since after a couple of minutes in the pavillion I usually have 3 on my tail constantly.

-If you need any further advice or anything feel free to pm me in game

Ilyania - Lost City

As the lovely Vivi said, if you need help, pm us in game. I've seen you around, and you even saw me get ganked today in pvp xD That aside, I will be willing to do some practice pav runs with you if you would like I would most likely have you watch first, and than we will give your try a run. Just shoot me a pm if you ever see me in game

Vedovis - Lost City

Ilyania - Lost City wrote: »

As the lovely Vivi said, if you need help, pm us in game. I've seen you around, and you even saw me get ganked today in pvp xD That aside, I will be willing to do some practice pav runs with you if you would like I would most likely have you watch first, and than we will give your try a run. Just shoot me a pm if you ever see me in game

b:shy Well, well, well, if it isn't my sexy ex-Pavillion partner ;3