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PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Am i by any chance, undergeared? If so, what gear do you recommend (level 90)?

Yes you are. I would recommend getting a full set of TT90HA. You can sell it again later when you upgrade again.

I would probably not worry too much about my claw abilities before level 100 when you can get APS gear. I dont know if other servers are similar, but on my server there are so many claws and fists around that they are the cheapest G16 weapon around. Much cheaper to buy them than to make them. Even with -aps they are starting to become cheap as everyone is trying to roll double int ones and selling the single int they produce in the process. Currently with a little luck 30m will buy you a random stat claw and 60m will buy you a -int one.


As for my stats, when do i cap my dex/str ?

Right now you have enough dex. Dont add any more to it. Since you are not a wealthy player who will soon have G16+7 armors, i would in your place put the remaining points you will get from here to lvl 100 in vit. But str is ok too if you prefer so.

Which weapon, axe or fist/claw does better damage at endgame for the least amount of coins put into equips?

You should have both. Fists/claws are for single targets, axes are for aoe damage. I just spoke about the claws. For the axe, the G16 unicorn tragedy would probably be your best goal. These are (on my server) a little more expensive than the claws. About 45m or so. So for the axes it might be more interesting to gradually upgrade your weapon until you get there.

Should i prioritize vit/pdef/mdef over damage increase by str when i choose my armor?

Only when using purple armor are you choosing your stats. Your next step however would be TT armors and those have come with a set of stats that you dont choose. So this is not really a factor.


Are BMs a money-making class?

They can use fists at high APS, so yes, they are good farmers.


What are the armor paths to be an APS fist/claw user? Like what kind of armor should i invest in to have a high APS by 100?

Here are choises to be made. You can choose to have 2 sets of armor and swap between them. 1 set for apsing with your claws and 1 set for being tough while using your axes. For a barb like me that is a logical choise because we need this toughness for our tanking jobs. It is however costly and cumbersome to swap all the time. For BMs it is probably more convenient to make a compromise build. Meaning you will have a set of APS equipment that is more expensive than the standard APS build but also a bit stronger. You can use this all the time and not have another set of armor for when you are using your axes. Usually this contains the following items:
r8r chest with -int.
r8r boots so that you have 2 set pieces. You can then start trying to reroll these boots to have -int as well someday, but chances are minimal.
G16 HA helmet and sleeves. Again 2 parts that together provide a good bonus.
Lionheart necklace and belt for -interval setbonus
Cape with -interval. The time to get this cape is right now !!!!! Until you are level 90, you can get the TM79 cape with -interval. It will probably cost you 8m. You cannot do this anymore when you level higher than lvl 90 !!!! If you want a -int cape after you are level 90, you have to buy the much more expensive lunar cape.



Where do BMs train aside from questing and FCCing at level 90?

Most players spend all their time from lvl 80-100 in FC. But you could also do Phoenix valley or make a zhenning squad. PV however requires you te be quite well geared and zhenning squads are just not being done anymore today. So yes FC and questing it is.


Why is my BM hitting so low 2k-4k damage with normal attacks using axes? is it normal?

This is normal. You are not yet level 100 and you do not yet have the good equipment with attack levels etc. You can however help yourself a little bit by getting the jones blessing trough facebook.


I highly appreciate it if you could at least answer some of my questions

in red

G16 cape cannot have -int.

your link doesnt seem to work here. I only get 4 items in the build.

I felt like playing with the calc so I made 3 builds to compare. These are the logical aproaches i can think of.
basic aps build.
R8r with boots
Cube & warsong

The basic is the cheapest, but its a bit squichy.
The r8r with boots build has an increased physical defence and more to reduce this squichyness. Magic defence is a little lower but the hitpoints more than make up for it.
The cube and warsong build has increased magic defences and some defence levels but much less HP and physical defence.

Of course when you get an extra -int from any one of these 3 hard to get sources you can have both the ornies and boots and sleeves. That is however not something you should expect any time soon.
To my best knowledge i added the average cost of rerolling. Of course it can greatly vary, its asking how often you need to play the lotery before you win the jackpot.
-double int fists (250m)
-boots (400m)
-double int chest (2400m)

Wannabe's answers are good, just gonna expand a little on them and give my two cents.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

some of my questions are pure stupid and nonsensical to your 'elitist' mindset that every novice player knows everything.

Ouch, insulted in the first sentence. Prime way to start asking for help.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Am i by any chance, undergeared? If so, what gear do you recommend (level 90)

I'd say you are a bit. I suggest BMs aim for 5k by level 80 and you can tank your BH69s. I recommend TT70 gear, then there are great mold pieces in the late 70's and 80s, and then back to tt90. I also will always suggest magic ornies over phys ornies for a bm. Something like this is more typical of what I'd recommend, as it jumps your mdef up a bit and will refine better. Btw, +2-3 refines are extremely cheap to do.

Also, Calamities out DD Giant Ape axes and give more hp. Sure they have sac strike that costs 5% but with a cleric or paint thats easily replaced, plus 5% hp is completely worth dealing double damage on 10+ mobs instead of being hit an extra time by those 10+ mobs.

Do you have a 60-80 alt and an account stash or can you find people running TM79s? Get a cheap trophy mode cape.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im currently deciding whether to save up for deicides or to get gorenox vanities and its bothering me quite a lot.

If you weren't 89 yet I'd say get GVs because you can always resell them. Spend 10m for GV's, use them a couple weeks, resell them for 10m and use that to pay for your Deicides. Depending on how fast you level and how long you think it'll take you to save for Deicides is up to you.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

As for my stats, when do i cap my dex/str ?

Stats look good. Dex can be capped now as you'll get more dex with your tome, your tt99 gear, and cape that will get you to the 200 more. You get 1% crit (and therefore 1% more damage) every 20 dex, so you want to "land" on a multiple of 20 with your dex. Since you need 193 for endgame claws you should aim for 200 dex for the extra crit %. I'd just keep filling the rest into strength.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Which weapon, axe or fist/claw does better damage at endgame for the least amount of coins put into equips?

Axes are meant for aoeing and claws are meant for single target damage. If you want to compare which does more damage against 20 mobs, the axes win. If you want to compare which does more damage against a single target the claws win.

Before aps is considered they're almost identical damage against a single target. Start stacking aps and claws quickly take over. 5 aps claws vs 1.11 axes the claws should do about 4 times the damage. After 15 seconds the axe spark dies and it takes them about 30 seconds to get another while the claws will be able to keep their spark and 500% wep damage going. Overall this is about 10-12x the damage over axes, but its very gear dependant as you need to stack -int to get there.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Should i prioritize vit/pdef/mdef over damage increase by str when i choose my armor?

Whatever you feel you need more. Seeing as how you have minimum refines and sharding, Yes, I would try to find more defense. We're supposed to be a backup tank. It also does us no good to increase our damage and aggro potential if we can't then survive getting aggro.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Are BMs a money-making class?

We do pretty well, but every class has their potential in the right markets. We are an aps class and we pair well with sins since we can HF their sparks doubling their damage as well as provide huge DD of our own. This makes life easy since most bosses will die before they can really cause too much trouble.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

What are the armor paths to be an APS fist/claw user? Like what kind of armor should i invest in to have a high APS by 100?

I'd check out Joshcja's FAQ stickied at the top of the page. He has gear recommendations. Simply put, we're an HA class. Their aren't very many -int options out there and even less if you can't afford a -int tome (200m + coin). So,

-int cape. TM69 or Lunar Glade Wing Trophy pack cape are the most popular. Can also forge your own in Lunar.
-2 pieces TT99 HA.
-2 pieces TT99 LA. Which two pieces to have HA and LA is always a hot argument around here but I suggest TT99 LA wrist and boots, TT99 belt and chest (or tt99 HA belt and neck, G16 chest)
-Nirvana tier 2 pants
-Claws with -.1 int, like Deicides, Regicides, or if you're lucky G15 or G16s.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Where do BMs train aside from questing and FCCing at level 90?

Beside your TT79, Eden, and Brim BHs, also? Phoenix Valley has an 87-94 (?) and a 95+ instance. Your job there is to follow the barb and stun-> HF repeatedly.

You may also be able to get into some farming squads for TTs under 2-3

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why is my BM hitting so low 2k-4k damage with normal attacks using axes? is it normal?

Yah, it is. Your axes are low refined so don't have any 'oopmh' to them yet. You'll get there. Another thing to note is there is damage reduction based on level, and if you're fighting mobs just a few levels higher then you're damage starts being reduced. You'll get there, don't worry.


I love the versatility of BM. Having 4 weapon paths and a million options really seperates a good BM and a bad one, moreso than any other class. We have to get good at switching weapons. I'd also get used to switching armor like WannaBM said. Have a tank set and an aps set and learn how to adjust them. I have my full r9t3 set and my aps set, but most the time rather then switch full one way or the other just swapping wrist and boots gives me -.15 int and I still keep 3 pieces r9 for the 100 str bonus, so I scale up my offense slightly and down my defense slightly. You should learn to do the same. Also, get a Jones one day then log the next and get an O'malleys so you can adjust 15 atk/def one way or the other.

About half my hotkeys are weapon or gear swaps. Just one more activity that makes BMs so super versatile and intricate to play.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

ITrying to find peeps that sell the TT90 plate and pants but no ones selling it at a resonable price at the moment b:cry

the question is, should i invest in calloused lionheart hatchets for the sac strike it does?

Also, i can make another anchor of chaos cuz i got a chaotic implement for dirt cheap and im not sure if i should trade the nirvy axes for a deicide then start making the second nirvy axes so that i can have both deicides and axes. Will it be feasible/cost-effective?

Buying gear is rarely reasonable. 2 socket gear is typically sold at price, 3 socket for about a 20% markup of crafting cost, and 4 sockets almost double what it cost to craft. I wonder what faction you are in, or if you have support to farm 2-3/3-1 because that'd be the cheapest, most educational, and most fun way to get your tt90.

Skip Lionhearts. iirc they cost around 20m. If you really want a zerk weapon go G15 as they're 3 tiers better and only slightly more expensive. Plus, G15 are the "endgame" zerk axes outside of r9 path. Of course, you can always hunt down a pair of lunar axes and make them G15 instead. They'll be more expensive but if you ever upgrade at least they're tradable.

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

Okay this is my first time using the forums and the first time ive put so much effort into a class so i apologize if some of my questions are pure stupid and nonsensical to your 'elitist' mindset that every novice player knows everything.

I am currently playing a fist/axe BM as my main after being drawn to how versatile and flexible this class can be but i have a ton of questions related to my stats, gear and future of my character.



First of all ill show you my character stats before asking any questions

http://pwcalc.com/3b969f2be4d9b4ae


Am i by any chance, undergeared? If so, what gear do you recommend (level 90)? I currently have +4 calams for spike damage and for claws, dragonfly assault blades in my arsenal. Im currently deciding whether to save up for deicides or to get gorenox vanities and its bothering me quite a lot.


As for my stats, when do i cap my dex/str ?



Which weapon, axe or fist/claw does better damage at endgame for the least amount of coins put into equips?


Should i prioritize vit/pdef/mdef over damage increase by str when i choose my armor?


Are BMs a money-making class?


What are the armor paths to be an APS fist/claw user? Like what kind of armor should i invest in to have a high APS by 100?



Where do BMs train aside from questing and FCCing at level 90?



Why is my BM hitting so low 2k-4k damage with normal attacks using axes? is it normal?



I highly appreciate it if you could at least answer some of my questions

I think your overgeared, because now days you just need to get to 100 then gear up.

once you have enough dex for fists you can pump strength like crazy or you can do it the other way around.

This depends on what your going to get. Is it r9 and beyond or Nirvana 3rd cast?
Also for PVE fists do better and for PVP axes are better.


Prioritize on HP+ MDEF your gear should give you PDEF.


Not as productive as an Assassin, but you are a money making machine.

Lvl 99 Light armor ornaments and Lvl 99 Heavy armor gear and go Demon for 3.33 APS bump to 5.0 APS. (most basic)

If you really want to you can go grind outside of Sanctuary with some melee mobs.

It is very normal back in the day when everyone was rocking gear like yours mobs hit about 800-1.2k and we hit them back for even less. Once you have Nirvana 3rd cast/HH99 you will hit a lot harder.

MasterPerian - Lost City wrote: »

I think your overgeared, because now days you just need to get to 100 then gear up.

once you have enough dex for fists you can pump strength like crazy or you can do it the other way around.

This depends on what your going to get. Is it r9 and beyond or Nirvana 3rd cast?
Also for PVE fists do better and for PVP axes are better.


Prioritize on HP+ MDEF your gear should give you PDEF.

Not as productive as an Assassin, but you are a money making machine.

Lvl 99 Light armor ornaments and Lvl 99 Heavy armor gear and go Demon for 3.33 APS bump to 5.0 APS. (most basic)

If you really want to you can go grind outside of Sanctuary with some melee mobs.

It is very normal back in the day when everyone was rocking gear like yours mobs hit about 800-1.2k and we hit them back for even less. Once you have Nirvana 3rd cast/HH99 you will hit a lot harder.

Advice in red is just ...b:sadb:shutup

And Walpurga, just calling it WR is hipster enough, but if you want to be a true hipster be a sage sword dph WR who teams with their EP to farm HH (Hwilight Hemple) or farms CV.

If you don't want something to be bound, go lunar instead of TT. On the other hand, level 7 is only needed to make TT99; level 6 is enough to make Nirvana, and no skill is needed to make T3 gear.

That was me posting. Forums are **** trying to fix avatar

for just pve decides can last u awhile remember solo its all about the perma spark for heals and aps group pve its all about gettin chi for HF etc cos thats why they invited you. Yes g15/g16 claw/fists are awesome but you wanna get ur gear also as far as tt is concerned ppl were tanking back wen decides and tt99 were the EG add fact you will need em to eventually make you g16 t3 then well yeh decides are worth it if you in position to get em

my "prob" is that i think im going to peack of cloud...and deicide is not on that path of course. any fist that can take deicide place or im condamned b:cry to use claw for a lot of time before g16?

hmm i watched and i dint notice that...prob cause im still a bit confused on all the different kind of reforge/upgrade and so from tt99 up...and that site tend to confuse me a bit...id like to see the full tree of evolution all together. that will help for sure.