Why is the davs trying to kill the game

Isn`t it obvious, they are further milking the playerbase, look at the riddiculous price on new veno pets, harder instances that will leave, (well skill-less for the most part) players charge zen to gear up r8, r9.

My farming instance has been destroyed (SoT) none of the seat bosses drop books anymore, and Abba, you need to get past the Puppet boss (which only a handful can solo *cough* seekers because as funny as it is, stupid vortex doesn't count as an auto attack but I wouldn`t call it a skill it`s not different than an aps monkey auto attacking for the most part, thus they can inflict full dmg without the reduction penalty other close range melee dd`s experience) in order to go to old Abba and kill Peachy.

Pwi is simply destroying interval gear potential for farming, heck it`s rather cheap and powerful pve - wise and naturally it`s bad for the company since people can farm and make money, thus less people will cash shop to afford things, I can bet my ***, it won`t take long before all bosses in the game will have anti aps buff, like some of the new ones, you can say, "yeah run with other people," but it would make it pointless, since you make a lot less profit.

All in all, not too amused with this update, and as somebody already said, rewards in this game for accomplishing things as a squad are simply pathetic, ok guess it`s enough QQ for now! + I won`t even start raging about NW time spots inaccessible for nearly half the server`s population..

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Quit QQing and learn to play your class. It's as simple as that. I did the new ABA and SOT with a pt that wasn't OP and we did just fine. So the problem must be you.

You did both? With ppl that didn't have OP gear? I did SoT BH yesterday and that went just fine... But Aba just kinda worries me especially with the falling rocks... Do you think Aba is do-able for let's say... Assuming they're really good at playing their classes despite their somewhat lower gear... Veno/Archer/Psy with about 5k HP unbuffed and wearing TT90/Mold/FF Green combo? f:ponder

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Right now both the staff and community will just have to see how this will affect everything for now before thinking if there is a need for adjusting things to our version... If we're 2 weeks ahead and things still suck as much as we find it to suck now, taking actions will only be the natural thing to do (the Aba boulders for example are potentially permanent complaints)... But maybe if we just keep trying it out for like 2 weeks, we might find out that the instances may be pretty do-able with certain strategies...

So just because they aren't responding immediately to our complaints doesn't mean they don't care... Just see it like a big testing phase for now... And keep in mind that even if they decide things will be better off adjusted for us, it may take up to a few months before they actually manage to make the adjustments too...

They've been killing the game for 3 out of the 4 years its been alive, it started when they never removed anni packs from CS making a bunch of OP CSers. Oh, they did remove them once for a week "indefinitely" but when they re added them and the players complained all they said was "we never said they'd be removed forever". There are still glitches that have existed forever, theres still a broken economy and theres still devs that have no idea whats happening in PWI as opposed to PWCN making us get wonky updates and horrible nerfs... Soo my point is how long exactly are we supposed to wait? you say a couple weeks but its been longer already.

Thedarkrealm - Lost City wrote: »

They've been killing the game for 3 out of the 4 years its been alive, it started when they never removed anni packs from CS making a bunch of OP CSers. Oh, they did remove them once for a week "indefinitely" but when they re added them and the players complained all they said was "we never said they'd be removed forever". There are still glitches that have existed forever, theres still a broken economy and theres still devs that have no idea whats happening in PWI as opposed to PWCN making us get wonky updates and horrible nerfs... Soo my point is how long exactly are we supposed to wait? you say a couple weeks but its been longer already.

Everyone time someone/something gets nerfed there's QQ about it. Can we all just accept that fact that Wanmei and PWE are attempting to find a fair balance with player skills? They're trying to improve based on our suggestions but obviously they can't please everyone.

What if they get super frustrated and refuse to look at the forums for a day or two because some players get OVERLY aggressive and tell them they ****ing suck and what not? That's not going to help us at all (please note that was a generalised statement/comment. not targeted directly at you ).

Why does all the QQing involve around cash shoppers mainly? ITS A GAME WITH A PREMIUM ITEMS MALL. YOU SHOULD KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. It's better than it being -removed- and having to pay to play. Yeah, -removed- is balanced because you can't CS your gears, plus they have a much better dungeon system , but still, pay to play.

Let's seriously just give this a couple weeks. People will work out strategies, things will be adjusted. This is seriously about the same amount of QQ that Decent got. Oh how I remember Decent and Sirens of War expansion update QQing D:b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I agree about Anni packs being a start of a breaking economy... But the fact is, the gamble packs are just too popular... They make the company really good money which they use to keep our servers open and running and free to play for the rest of us... They should've never removed the 1 mil cap in Gold trading though... But like many bugs and glitches, all fixes and changes need to be made by PW China... Much like how we got nerfed DQ drops from PW China because THEIR player base where botting a lot... We just don't have the staff nor permission to alter anything... And I've heard that for some odd reason, communications between our staff and PW China can take up to 3 months... Remember that the game is still owned by PW China... PWE just got the honer to run this international version of it...

All. of. this.

Also, by honour she means, "Got license rights on the grounds they wouldn't do any major change to the game design because China will get really cranky."

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

I think a lot of people in here need to see some sunlight. They have gotten so depressed from sitting at their PC all day that everything looks negative to them, doesnt matter what PWI makes for them.

Its a great update.

I agree. Your always going to have the people that are never happy, no matter what is done in the game. Those would be the ones that want everything handed to them on a silver platter, free. Then when they get it free, they are still not happy, because the content is too easy, or too hard, and never just right.

I promise you that if you log in on monday, tuesday and wesnesday and your unhappy, then im 100% sure that on thursday it won't change. Don't bother logging in on friday. PWI has an uninstall. People like me that love the game and choose to stay, have a memory span of a fly. Those that say they quitting are only remembered by me for 2 seconds and vice versa.

Someone else said that in a different thread but i forgot who, so ill just repeat: The Devs KNEW for years that this game is going down and are probably wondering that people still are interested in it. They focus on their newer games and try to get out AS MUCH MONEY as possible before the game is complete empty. If PWI would be a game worth putting high amounts of work and fairness in it they would, but they want people to play their other games and PWI is just an "Oldie" .

And its not true that CSers keep the game "free". PWI is a free game, but the Devs dont need the money from the CSers. They get paid for their normal work, and if many ppl CS they just get more money. Or how do you think PWI survived the few years before r9 and hyper CSing?


if you ask fac mates and friends how much money they spend on PWI in a month or 2, many are surely spending more than that 13 Eu (dont know how much dollars it is) a month for -removed-. So in this case, even playing Pay to play games is cheaper if youre not very patient. Its easy to make money in PWI in the first few months of a server, because you can farm and merchant things below 100 and people actually buy them and thats why new servers are always great but then ppl go hyper CS again and ruin the prices for free players.


Also, the chinese Team and our team is not the same. We GET some of the chinese patches, but not everything rolled there is rolled here too. Theyre not melking their players for money. If you look at the amount of players, we have WAY more player then them and we have more CSers as well who are willing to pay thousands of dollars . Chinese PW is still a normal game, and not what we have here .

In fact, if only a few people are hyper CSers, the Devs focus on the other free players as well and try to keep the game tasty for them too. But if 80 percent are CSers, the devs dont care for the free players and so making the game for them even harder.

Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How about people are going to have an opinion about the game different than yours. So how about YOU deal with it.

And the OP's massive QQ (oh, sorry, his 'opinion') in this thread is going to accomplish what? Nadda. I'm dealing with it just fine thank you very much.

Neferhotep - Lost City wrote: »

Someone else said that in a different thread but i forgot who, so ill just repeat: The Devs KNEW for years that this game is going down and are probably wondering that people still are interested in it. They focus on their newer games and try to get out AS MUCH MONEY as possible before the game is complete empty. If PWI would be a game worth putting high amounts of work and fairness in it they would, but they want people to play their other games and PWI is just an "Oldie" .

And its not true that CSers keep the game "free". PWI is a free game, but the Devs dont need the money from the CSers. They get paid for their normal work, and if many ppl CS they just get more money. Or how do you think PWI survived the few years before r9 and hyper CSing?


if you ask fac mates and friends how much money they spend on PWI in a month or 2, many are surely spending more than that 13 Eu (dont know how much dollars it is) a month for Wow. So in this case, even playing Pay to play games is cheaper if youre not very patient. Its easy to make money in PWI in the first few months of a server, because you can farm and merchant things below 100 and people actually buy them and thats why new servers are always great but then ppl go hyper CS again and ruin the prices for free players.


Also, the chinese Team and our team is not the same. We GET some of the chinese patches, but not everything rolled there is rolled here too. Theyre not melking their players for money. If you look at the amount of players, we have WAY more player then them and we have more CSers as well who are willing to pay thousands of dollars . Chinese PW is still a normal game, and not what we have here .

In fact, if only a few people are hyper CSers, the Devs focus on the other free players as well and try to keep the game tasty for them too. But if 80 percent are CSers, the devs dont care for the free players and so making the game for them even harder.

The Chinese versions are different from ours mainly because of legal and cultural differences. That's why there's PWI and a separate PWCN. It is all about making money. No for-profit company exists without its sole purpose being to make a profit by delivering a product and/or service people are willing to pay for. Especially a company that has publically traded stock on the stock market exchanges. To maximize profit the company alters our version of PW to cater to our cultural customs, values, and our legal limits.

The CSers are always going to have the advantage and a class of power of their own over the non-CSers. There has to be an incentive for them to dump money into the game due to the business model PWE chose for PWI. Some complain about the CSers having such an unfair advantage in-game but my response to that is the old saying, "You get what you pay for." Works here too.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

I think a lot of people in here need to see some sunlight. They have gotten so depressed from sitting at their PC all day that everything looks negative to them, doesnt matter what PWI makes for them.

Its a great update.

only for 1 day for most, I don't call that great any time.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not to pick a side or anything, but things on a PvP server probably work a little differently then on a PvE server... Players at PvP server are prepared for having to get OP gear as soon as possible to be able to survive out there... A lot of players at PvE servers on the other hand, prefer to just play the game more casually and take it easy (we just beat the bad guys and save the world for fun)... And the more hardcore players on PvE servers have optional PK/TW/NW/etc to show off their stuff... So that's kinda 2 different situations to keep in mind... b:cute

I understand what you are saying. It is rough being on PvP server at times but it's not that bad. The majority of us here don't go around ganking others. I do the opposite of that myself. I help others and offer my buff if I see they need it.

It's just that it is pointless to denigrate the recent content update as per this thread when it hasn't even been 2 to 3 days since it went live yet. A lot of us are still trying to navigate through the changes and develop new strategies to deal with them. We haven't even experienced the new NW map at all. So far I like the new SoT and ABA instances and the new Veno pet thing is confusing but the purpose of the game is to figure it out and succeed with it. I like that changes are being made that make it more of a challenge considering that they are adding more powerful gears et al into the game. I'm not paying or farming for r9 3rd cast gears. I'm sticking with 3rd cast NV and any new update to that if any that follows. I do just fine with it as does many others on my server. You get out of this game with whatever effort you're willing to put into it mentally and how you choose to play the game.

I know a lot of the CSers out there put $1000s and some even 10s of $1000s into this game for the OP gears they have. Some spend a great deal of time farming and merchant shopping for those same gears and succeed. I'm not willing to do that and it doesn't make sense for me to try to compete with those people so I don't generally. They are on a different level of gameplay then me. In NW I deal with what I can do and not what I can't do. The rest of the time I do my own thing.

Nothing is going to make everyone happy and people are going to hate the changes. My point is that most of us are going to accept and adapt to them as the game progresses and do the best we can with what we got as we choose to play the game our own way. It really annoys the hell out of me to watch others blow through frost or whatever to level from 1 to 10x and get to endgame status as fast as they possibly can. And when they get there they are dumbfounded at the fact that there is so little left for them to do other than daily BHs et al. Then they come to the forums and QQ about how the devs are killing the game because they think BH rewards, the light of their very in-game existence at this point, was nerfed (which it wasn't-I'm still getting the same mirages and chips I was before).

Gee, if it's this bad for them now wait until the end of the year when PWI releases the next expansion.

Shellene - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've read every post in this thread, I've been in both SoT and Aba, I see both instances as a place for OP's. I really don't know what they were thinking personally, this is a fb99 instance for both and cultis are done here, there is no way that people who are in the 90's are going to be able to do cultis in these 2 instances unless they get an OP squad to do it for them. I think if the devs wanted new content for the OP's they should have made it not take away from lvl 99's culti, I really dislike this part of the new content, however I see many good things I do like and I will continue to play this game, I won't use SoT or Aba again. This is a game were supposed to be having fun here if it's not fun don't do it.

I think you're giving up way to easy on this. The squad I was in for these 2 instances were hardly OP and we managed to figure our way through it fine. It just took patience and teamwork and some time to learn what to do. The mobs and bosses didn't seem that much more difficult than in previous version of these instances. It's just that their attributes and tactics and skills are different which requires us to develop new strategies to deal with them. It's no different than when the devs changed TT (or HH) 3.x bosses (yes for those cultis in there too) or the BH SoT and ABA bosses last time by adding anti-APS buffs et al to them or changing room 38 in the cube.

9x people are still going to be able to do their cultis in ABA and SoT just the same as we did before. By asking to become a member of a BH 100 squad gracious enough to help them with the culti. I have never had a problem helping lowbie people with their cultis in any BH I've been in because that's how someone helped me through my cultis.

Don't sell yourself short like this. Challenge yourself and a squad to work as a team and develop a good strategy to work through these instances. They really didn't seem that bad at all and I think once we all have a standard routine in these instances they won't be any worse than the previous versions in difficulty.

I think for now we should give it about 2 weeks to see what happens... By then everyone should be used to the new system of the instances, we'll probably have a guide online, and had time time to do proper testing... If it still sucks after that, we can continue our complaining then... b:cute

Just to make sure if it's do-able or not... It would be nice if we could get some bored pro ppl to do test runs of these instances (Culti/BH bosses) with TT90/Mold/Free Morai/etc equip while knowing what they're doing... Just a full squad with lower-geared ppl and no R9/Nirv/S3/whatever... If they succeed in both caves we'll know for once and for all that these caves are really not too hard... f:victory

b:byerap send me your warsoul when your quittingb:begb:avoid

i have read about 90% of all the post here and i DO beleave some tell truth and then other cry way to much . i for one has been here since bata and seen alot of changes though the 4 yrs...
YES i agree pwi is greedy ,but what company isn't..
3 yrs ago i had a stroke ,left me learning to play 1 handed ..and i can not cashshop my great r 9 gear ,so i learn i will not have the best ,i leveled 5 char to 100+,,all with r8 and hh99 ,,last 2 months ,i got so i can do full ws runs ,and try to get my 3rd cast stuff ,,BUT
PWI was / is so kind to all us trying to get better gear ,,95% of mold drops is R 9 ,,SO YES ,PWI is free to play ,as long as you ,you willing to have so so gear .
the new sot /abbo quest ,,hope you have good freinds (with better gear ) to help ya .

WHAT about ther other quest ,marrage quest for one ,,nothing new ,so boring ,paid good coins for packs ,,for what ?
Cube or fate ,,nothing new ,same old boring ****
nirv. = dead
oht = dead
hh = dead

Last major update ,,barb got panda ,,veno got 9 tailes ,archer can go invisable now ,,what about bm and eps NOTHING !!! TALK ABOUT LEVEL PLAYING FEILD

SO why does every one here complain ,,just got to bank ,get 1 credit card ,,just for pwi and quit cry'ing ..

ME ,I guess sit back and move on to other games .. and watch PWI go to pay to play ,cause that is what is has basicly came down too,,either pay for good gear and weps ,,or move on

GOOD LUCK TO ALL !!!

Pw did this so Imma QQ.

Pw did that so Imma QQ.

They changed a name from pink to dark pink. Yep Imma QQ.

They put weak mobs near West Gate...and I DUN LIKE IT because.I DON'T. Soooooooo Imma QQ.

OH NO! They changed the location of that one npc next to those groups of mobs that do the hoky poky everytime my nab level barbolric go near them...BY ONE. FaCkING INCH. OMFG Imma hhheeeaaad on to the forums and QQ!

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Oh my flipping goodness people. Give us time to figure it out before dismissing it or QQing about it. -