Why is the davs trying to kill the game

Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver
Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
edited June 2013 in General Discussion
with every update the PWI davs do they kill more and more of the game, makeing it useless and now they did it also to Sot and Aba....

my only questions is why are they trying to kill the game, and why do ppl still change zen when the PWI devs treats us like sh.it they have already steped on, again and again
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  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    with every update the PWI davs do they kill more and more of the game, makeing it useless and now they did it also to Sot and Aba....

    my only questions is why are they trying to kill the game, and why do ppl still change zen when the PWI devs treats us like sh.it they have already steped on, again and again

    PWI did not kill the game. Players kill the game when they QQ that BH are easy and they want hard PVE and there ya go! I have a feeling that is just the beginning. I am sure TT will be harder to, Lunar and Warsong as well.
  • Chuck_smith - Sanctuary
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »
    PWI did not kill the game. Players kill the game when they QQ that BH are easy and they want hard PVE and there ya go! I have a feeling that is just the beginning. I am sure TT will be harder to, Lunar and Warsong as well.

    That's because of two reasons, overgeared and over leveled, of course BH will be easy... Making the game cater to only R9 users would pretty much make people power level instead even more and "merchant" their R9.
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  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's because of two reasons, overgeared and over leveled, of course BH will be easy... Making the game cater to only R9 users would pretty much make people power level instead even more and "merchant" their R9.

    That is the point. BH should be easy because we will not spend 3 hours on make it and it should be easy so all people can do it no matter what gear they have. We get 90% chips and sockets anyway. Now you spend more money on pots and charm and the reward is same...****. At least , the only good thing is that we can go 10 people because if they were 6 like before, not even R9 +12 cant make it.
    I guess not more "we are at boss" !
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Abba BH basically hinges on your ability to clear puppet boss.

    What Grimm was saying is that there's no more point to doing anything. Sure, FB99s got revamped. Who cares. We go in there, we kill the bh boss and we tp out. Not a soul will touch the new bosses, and culti can be done simply by TPing to boss. The only thing it will kill is book farming, making the fb99 only books stupidly expensive for new people.

    New fb99s are fun but

    there's just no point to them

    if only they dropped badges, molds, more book drops or something lol; even mystical/holy pills might be incentive enough to farm them
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  • Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    the PWI devs have no idea what is going on inside the game.. and they keep pissing all over us... but guess what SOME DUMMASS PLAYERS still charge Zen... so nothing will change...just keep making this game more and more of a bad joke
  • Chuck_smith - Sanctuary
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Abba BH basically hinges on your ability to clear puppet boss.

    What Grimm was saying is that there's no more point to doing anything. Sure, FB99s got revamped. Who cares. We go in there, we kill the bh boss and we tp out. Not a soul will touch the new bosses, and culti can be done simply by TPing to boss. The only thing it will kill is book farming, making the fb99 only books stupidly expensive for new people.

    I find it funny when people talk smack, yet they get challenge, they won't even try f:laugh.

    When I reinstall this game and give that a try.
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  • Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    walpurge why even do BH anymore after they nerfed the bh rewards just a few weeks ago.. they keep killing all parts of the game for the free players.
  • Chuck_smith - Sanctuary
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    walpurge why even do BH anymore after they nerfed the bh rewards just a few weeks ago.. they keep killing all parts of the game for the free players.

    BH rewards needed to be nerfed anyway.
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'm optimistic (sort of) that there may soon be an incentive to do more things every day than:

    log on

    set cat

    do morai

    do BH

    do fac dailies if I'm short on pots/arrows

    do map 1 daily

    make bracers for chi stones

    log off/go to alt to farm JoJ dailies

    EDIT: Don't know why you'd want BH rewards to be nerfed; it could be one of hte best sources of coin into the economy.
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  • Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    BH rewards needed to be nerfed anyway.

    chuck stop being a troll would you, ty
  • Chuck_smith - Sanctuary
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    chuck stop being a troll would you, ty

    Actually I was serious, too many people rely on BH. There little things that are done then log off of boredom, like walpurga said, thus why rewards should be nerfed.
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  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I did not know that they "kill" BH rewards, I got chips like I always do, no change for me.
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited June 2013
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Actually I was serious, too many people rely on BH. There little things that are done then log off of boredom, like walpurga said, thus why rewards should be nerfed.
    The rewards from the BH100's are about the only thing keeping me still playing as a F2P player. I do a lot more than just sit and BH though, and the excitement/extacy cards are about the only thing keeping me supplied with charms/pots lately.

    I used to merchant a lot, but the market fluctuates too much for me to make a profit at anything right now.
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  • Mitachi - Dreamweaver
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,201 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I did not know that they "kill" BH rewards, I got chips like I always do, no change for me.

    Same here.

    The fact that you can get G10 gems after 3 weeks doesn't make it so useless tho. And its easy, if you know how to play.
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  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Same here.

    The fact that you can get G10 gems after 3 weeks doesn't make it so useless tho. And its easy, if you know how to play.

    Well as long as we still have a chance to get 5 mil and 2 mil, i will keep doing. :)
  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's the community killing the game, not the staff... That and PW China not thinking things through when releasing their stuff over here... And yes there are some obvious issues with the new FB99 caves...

    But you can't really blame that on our staff here... They get the patches from PW China which in their turn keep forgetting that whatever works well for them, doesn't always work well for us as well...

    The main point about the revamped instances not being a problem there would also be that the lvl cap in China is a lot higher (I'd guess about lvl 135 atm) then here (and from what I've heard they need less exp then we need above 100 per lvl)... Afcourse, for us that means we need pretty much OP gear to be able to do the same things at our lvl 100-105...

    Right now both the staff and community will just have to see how this will affect everything for now before thinking if there is a need for adjusting things to our version... If we're 2 weeks ahead and things still suck as much as we find it to suck now, taking actions will only be the natural thing to do (the Aba boulders for example are potentially permanent complaints)... But maybe if we just keep trying it out for like 2 weeks, we might find out that the instances may be pretty do-able with certain strategies...

    So just because they aren't responding immediately to our complaints doesn't mean they don't care... Just see it like a big testing phase for now... And keep in mind that even if they decide things will be better off adjusted for us, it may take up to a few months before they actually manage to make the adjustments too...
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    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    with every update the PWI davs do they kill more and more of the game, makeing it useless and now they did it also to Sot and Aba....

    my only questions is why are they trying to kill the game, and why do ppl still change zen when the PWI devs treats us like sh.it they have already steped on, again and again

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  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    People need harder content or more of a challenge and from what I have read the new SoT and Aba have given us that. I am yet to try them first hand but the game was getting very boring when I could solo both the old instances in about 15mins on my cleric.

    Sure they could have left the instances as they were and created brand new end game content. G16 gear is now dirt cheap so at 100+ people should be able to gear themselves up to a point that these instance "aren't so hard". Like someone said earlier, there are still far too many people that are either undergeared or overlevelled.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Actually I was serious, too many people rely on BH. There little things that are done then log off of boredom, like walpurga said, thus why rewards should be nerfed.

    why the **** else would I even log on?

    If there was no BH I would log on only to set afk catshop and do morai and then play only for TW/NW
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  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    People need harder content or more of a challenge and from what I have read the new SoT and Aba have given us that. I am yet to try them first hand but the game was getting very boring when I could solo both the old instances in about 15mins on my cleric.

    Sure they could have left the instances as they were and created brand new end game content. G16 gear is now dirt cheap so at 100+ people should be able to gear themselves up to a point that these instance "aren't so hard". Like someone said earlier, there are still far too many people that are either undergeared or overlevelled.

    Well you're happy now, takes 2 hours to do BH and yay!!!! you cant solo anymore b:laugh
  • feymir
    feymir Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The new instances seem fine to me. No squad wipes and pretty neat bosses. I think they're going to get easier and easier once everyone learns how to do the instances properly. Too soon to be complaining. o.o
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Except there's no incentive to do the instances lol; nothing beyond the weeklies.

    More important than instances, devs need to make something worthwhile on the open map. Fac killed sword tamer today as he spawned. That was a little bit fun. Make more farmable/rewarding to kill bosses on the map please.
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  • Chuck_smith - Sanctuary
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    People need harder content or more of a challenge and from what I have read the new SoT and Aba have given us that. I am yet to try them first hand but the game was getting very boring when I could solo both the old instances in about 15mins on my cleric.

    Sure they could have left the instances as they were and created brand new end game content. G16 gear is now dirt cheap so at 100+ people should be able to gear themselves up to a point that these instance "aren't so hard". Like someone said earlier, there are still far too many people that are either undergeared or overlevelled.

    That's a lie, if people wanted harder content or more of a challenge, then they would start by not using the updated endgame gear, which was made for people to go on easy mode in the first place. I don't think the updated SOT and ABA is that much harder anyway though >.>
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  • Liam_ - Sanctuary
    Liam_ - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    People need harder content or more of a challenge and from what I have read the new SoT and Aba have given us that.

    I don't remember a very high demand for very difficult content. I do remember a demand for BH bosses in different and a larger variety of instances. I do remember players asking for Nirvana and Delta to be revamped and made worth running so we had more content to choose from. I do remember players asking for new content. I do remember for players asking for worthwhile rewards from instances. I do remember players asking for lv80+ quests to be worthwhile to encourage open world activity. I don't see any of that.

    Not to mention I don't think PW is made to handle "challenging". The game itself doesn't handle fluid action and instant reactions very well. The gear gap between tt90 +3 and r999 +12 is immeasurable. FCC and hyper are still a big part of the game. Bloodpaint, 5aps, IG's and a number of other factors render a vast variety of boss mechanics impossible to make difficult for everyone. There's also no dungeon journals or strategy sites, making indepth boss battles you need to really prepare for impossible.

    On top of that, the rewards are awful. If I go into a 10 man group and take down challenging bosses on certain other mmo's, I'm receiving endgame gear and/or lots of game currency/sellable items. Sometimes even rare vanity items. In PWI I'm receiving junk and a pittance in coin. I wouldn't even dare to imagine a PW boss dropping a mount or pet. Warsong did things right to an extent and made it worth running. EU didn't, and as a result it's pretty much dead. I can't see any real reason to run the new instances other than once or twice for fun.

    I currently don't play PWI, I'm on a temporary (maybe permanent) break while I mess about on another mmo. I was hoping to check this new update and find even one of... new BH bosses, updated 80+ quests, new NW time slots for europe, Delta and Vana revamps and no chips in BH (lol, I hate them). Instead I find 800 mb for pretty much nothing that makes the game more enjoyable. (I'm happy for the veno's ofc though, and glad they got something positive out of it.)

    Finally, if they want to add challenge to PvE...why would they add a system that permanently boosts your stats at the same time? O.o
  • Jadsia - Lost City
    Jadsia - Lost City Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    the PWI devs have no idea what is going on inside the game.. and they keep pissing all over us... but guess what SOME DUMMASS PLAYERS still charge Zen... so nothing will change...just keep making this game more and more of a bad joke
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    walpurge why even do BH anymore after they nerfed the bh rewards just a few weeks ago.. they keep killing all parts of the game for the free players.
    Grimmjow_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    with every update the PWI davs do they kill more and more of the game, makeing it useless and now they did it also to Sot and Aba....

    my only questions is why are they trying to kill the game, and why do ppl still change zen when the PWI devs treats us like sh.it they have already steped on, again and again

    Quit QQing and learn to play your class. It's as simple as that. I did the new ABA and SOT with a pt that wasn't OP and we did just fine. So the problem must be you.
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  • Sidwinder - Heavens Tear
    Sidwinder - Heavens Tear Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »
    Quit QQing and learn to play your class. It's as simple as that. I did the new ABA and SOT with a pt that wasn't OP and we did just fine. So the problem must be you.

    Your like a broken record all you do is repeat the same insults over and over again. You must be one of those people that like to hear themselves talk, or in this case read themselves.
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »
    Quit QQing and learn to play your class. It's as simple as that. I did the new ABA and SOT with a pt that wasn't OP and we did just fine. So the problem must be you.

    Grimm never mentioned a thing about things being too hard to do; in fact I can vouch that he knows what he's doing (am in his fac). What he's saying is that there's no reason to do anything beyond bh-dailies-afk in cat
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    DATALEC - Dreamweaver Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    topic was why are devs trying to kill game not lets have a qq about bh besides yeah bh changed no idea why coz its **** and like most say still same **** rewards oow u do get pots that save you logging your alt to buff you.
    So bh bad yeah change the reward lazy ****'s.
    New stat you can get hmm aimed at hi end people that have coin/cash to get extra hp the attack defence aint worth chit....so yeah aimed at hi end people but they did state that all content is aimed at end gear not low end people since nobody is coming to game they intend to milk the ones still here.
    Nw yet to be seen but looks worse lol.
    So what was you expecting help the lame nooo they wana help the people with cash since thats where the wages come from so stop complaining if you dont know how pwi works yet you should have left years ago
  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Well you're happy now, takes 2 hours to do BH and yay!!!! you cant solo anymore b:laugh

    I am yet to do it and once people learn how to deal with the revamped instances I am certain it will not take that long.
    Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's a lie, if people wanted harder content or more of a challenge, then they would start by not using the updated endgame gear, which was made for people to go on easy mode in the first place. I don't think the updated SOT and ABA is that much harder anyway though >.>

    Harder content is not the same as taking off gear to do the same thing. With your logic people would never strive to improve their gear or do new things and be running around in npc gear.
    Liam_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I do remember players asking for new content. I don't see any of that.

    I currently don't play PWI, I'm on a temporary (maybe permanent) break while I mess about on another mmo.

    The revamped instances are new content along with a number of addittional things including the new veno system. Making comments on the game when you are not currently playing and haven't logged on to see the changes doesn't give your comments all that much creditability.
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    Jadsia - Lost City Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Grimm never mentioned a thing about things being too hard to do; in fact I can vouch that he knows what he's doing (am in his fac). What he's saying is that there's no reason to do anything beyond bh-dailies-afk in cat

    I guess "endgame" really does mean "endgame" then. Perhaps it's time to uninstall if it's really that bad. b:surrender
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