I need tips on how to reach 100 without touching fc

GlenRoss - Archosaur wrote: »

This is exactly what I was talking about. You think it's all about knowing where the swamp is and what each button does. There is a lot more technique to being a good player. Which skills work well in combo against which creatures, how to coordinate your attacks with squadmates to defeat a particular boss, what is the etiquette for drops and conduct and responsibilities to your squadmates in various instances. Every day I see people who don't know what I would consider basic information: things you can't help but know if you actually played the game.

I can see I'm never going to convince you that there is knowledge beyond your own so I'll leave you to your game. Play it the way you want. Think of this conversation but don't blame me when people climb your case and you have no idea why they're angry.

but still dont make your case against ppl who plevel.

first off there is a difference between people with 100+ mains who were leveled somewhat normally in game who fcc alts to high levels, and those who joined the game and instantly think they are hot stuff so to heck with questing or understanding any of the subtext of this game.

there is not so much difference between the classes until higher levels where you NEED to do any quests (save for culti and a few bh's for fun) that a knowledgeable player would be severely lacking in skill. learning to play in squad involves understanding the roles and functions of the diff classes, i dont need to play 1-60 to know how to cleric if i understand how clerics work.

the latter group of people, are fail regardless of how much they play, they do not intend on learning, other than copying whomever they hang around with / stalk. if better players capitalize on them, GOOD!!!! cash players keep the servers up and running, free players with skill need idiots to keep cat shops running, and idiots bloat the server population, more points to score for all in NW.

because some people are complete idiots (or just dont care and **** around in game purely for the lulz), doesn't mean that a certain method of leveling is bad or party to fail~ism.

for the most part, ppl want alts to run bh100 more often each day. its the only way for free players to really subsist..... so there are going to be under-geared/underskilled toons regardless at some point in time.

btw, basequest doesn't start handing out exp until lvl 90 (or that is my experience with it, never got exp till the 90's)

There are so many ways to reach to 100, slow, fast, w/e without touching FC (or at least touching heads in that room), as long as you can handle the amounts, you're fine.

Hyper AOE grind (you can get coin this way too and DQ points)
PV
Morai
BH

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i did not imply that someone is suggesting removing FC, only that OP wants to exclude FC from his learning schedule.

Your words: "If we throw FC out of the game ..."

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the point I was trying to make is that 10 FC runs + heads is roughtly equivalent, as fast as learning is concerned, to 300 FC runs

There was never an argument about the merits of part of FC vs all of FC. I only mentioned heads in passing and never in comparison to a full run.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'd love to hear why it's a strawman; but I'd suggest reading again because if you deduced that I think that someone wants to throw out these things either I have a problem in communicating or you have a problem in comprehension. or both.

Your words: "If we throw FC out of the game you are left with a tremendous amount of BH/PV runs; if we throw those too you are left with an even bigger amount of grinding."

You successfully rebutted an argument no one made. That's what "strawman" means.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you think that "gather ten adawolf tails" and "gather fifty tauroc chief tails" are like algebra vs trigonometry... so let's leave metaphors.

Oh goody. Another teaching moment. A metaphor is not an exact match to every attribute. A metaphor is a comparison to SOME of the attributes. The metaphor of school is a good one even though it's not exactly the same as that to which it is compared. PWI also has no desks or written assignments but that too is irrelevant. But for the actual point at hand, and not one chosen out of thin air, is that school, like the PWI learning process is a multi-faceted, ongoing experience. I suspect you already knew that was my point but since you didn't have an effective answer for that point, you feigned lack of comprehension so you could seek out a tangent which you could defend. Your assertion that you go to school once was nonsense, as I pointed out. It is a cumulative process, carried out over time. That, as you already knew, was the correlation between the metaphor and the object of the metaphor. Let's dispense with the silliness, shall we. I don't perceive you as dumb so I'm pretty sure you knew you weren't offering a valid argument.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

actually no. now your argument sounds like a classic strawman

Your words: "Is it really a problem of power-leveling though? What I mean is that sure, if someone plvl'ed in FC he'll probably won't know where is the swamp of wraiths and might have missed the water/ground mechanic."

I refer you back to the actual definition of "strawman". This isn't it. I directly addressed words you said.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yup. hardly any technique is gained by doing 1000 bh89 vs 10 bh89 and rest with heads - in my opinion; feel free to provide arguments against it.

This, on the other hand is back to the strawman. Just as a reminder, a strawman is defeating an argument that no one has proffered. Nowhere did I suggest mind-numbing repetition of a single task, let alone 1000 high-level BHs. You've again assigned me an argument that's easy for you to ridicule; an argument I didn't make. Strawman. It's dishonest.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'd say "are you serious? nothing is affected by creature type; silver doesn't hurt werewolves here" but that would be a strawman I guess.

Perhaps if you had done the quests you'd know that water attacks are more effective against fire-based creatures and metal is devastating to wood. Oops. Missed that part of the game? Did you know there are certain attacks that, done back-to-back are more effective than when they are used separately. There are ways to skip channeling time on some attacks and some creatures suffer extra damage if you can time your attacks to coincide with your squadmates? Probably not.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I hope however that you don't mean that you have to learn that when a creature has "immune to water" with huge gold letters under its name you shouldn't hit it with water skills. What do you mean anyway? that water path mobs cant get stunned?

How can you say such a thing? You just told me that nothing is affected by creature type.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

alright, that's better. although co-ordination is more of a communication skill between the squad. definetely helps if the bm knows that he should hf though.

Your odds of him knowing are much higher if he's spent any time outside FC. Just my observation ...... over and over and over again.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

that's instance specific knowledge and I can transfer it if I did that instance on psy to my plvled cleric

Not every pleveler is a noob about the same things. Many don't have this "instance specific knowledge" and their squadmates get killed because the pleveler didn't do his part and the squad didn't know he was a pleveler.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Alas, I can't say the same. maybe it helps that I give advice instead of sneering behind their back.

That's just stupid. I'm posting on a public forum. To avoid "sneering behind their back" what is required? Do I need to hunt them down and make sure they all hear this discussion? Or are you suggesting I should shut up and not disagree with you in this public forum which is intended for just such discussions. Geez dude. Talk about sneering. Add a helping of hypocrisy. And I spend more time helping people than I spend advancing my own toon so stick to what you know. My demeanor isn't it.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

so you made a post... I replied... you replied and without even waiting my response you concluded that I'm not gonna be convinced that there is knowledge beyond my own. That's a pretty hax psychic skill you have there.

I don't have to be psychic to comment on what I've read. I think you made it pretty clear.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again, I ask you. Name one skill/knowledge/ability that fulfills the following:

Player A is a non-plvler
Player B is a plvler
Player A has the skill
Player B won't have the skill even if he:
1) Reads about it on the forum
2) Practises it for 1h and/or runs an instance to practise it around 10 times

Of course there are ways to mitigate the shortcomings. No one has remotely suggested otherwise. But plevelers are seeking shortcuts. How many of them do you imagine shortcut the game just to go off and study to make up for what they missed? I know a few decent pleveled players. Yes, it's still sometimes noticeable, but I have no issue with running with them. If they were the rule, rather than the exception, I'd probably never mention the issue.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you are free to say "classic strawman; this is not worth addressing any further." but don't blame me if people assume that you are an elitist that thinks that he has some special power cause he wasted more time killing mobs.

Oh boo hoo. He suggested I'm an elitist. Now I'm really sad.

A 91 blademaster came up to me a few weeks ago and asked me for help with his 59 culti. His armor was incomplete scraps that he had picked up. His skills were way low. He knew what each of them did, but used only the few that were simple and straightforward. He didn't wine the instance and kept running ahead, getting into trouble and running back to me to save him. In the course of conversation he told me that he had done only a handful of quests, but spent cash to buy FC. He died twice and got snarky with me for letting it happen. I almost walked out but my personal policy is to never leave squad until everyone gets what they came for.

Which brings up etiquette. I've fielded several complaints from people about new guild-members who get what they want and leave squad or they don't honor protocol regarding drops. Virtually every time I've had to speak to someone about this, they've turned out to be plevelers who didn't know any better, because their squad experience was lacking.

Yeah, these are my anecdotes and you can dismiss them if you wish. All I can tell you is that in most cases, plevelers are easy to spot and it's not because they're so good at what they do. Not touting myself as great, but people can tell. When you shortcut learning, people can tell.

I'm done here. Have the last word.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

4 pages replying to a troll who posts statements like this ?

f:hehe

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Guys please get back on track. This person is asking for help on leveling without the use of FC. This isn't a thread about whether or not FC is a good or bad thing.

Yeah its pretty simple, grind. Grind for quests, grind in instances grind for Pv. b:surrender

In the end its all the same, just how much exp you get for your effort.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Sry for double posting, but this post need attention:

Why do you ppl always think you need to level slow to know how to play you're char?

I would bet for everything if you would give me a high end char on any random game. Two days later I'm better then most others no matter if I havn't played that game before! Why? That's simple.

You learn your char be reading the friggin skills and try them out to get a clue how they work. Try to solo stuff, maybe die hundreds of times, try it again. See where your limits are and adapt to them.

I'm sick of this "if I level slow I will be a better player"! It doesn't matter how fast you level. If one is too lazy or braindead to get in touch with his char and act like I was stating before, then he will suck either way.

Even if you outgear most PvE Stuff. Simply search for challenges. For the AOEing chars try soloing a whole lunar area at once or run multiple PVs (8 to 12 runs) in one day. Or just pull a full pav in warsong or 2 at once if that isn't enough and solo it! and wanna know what? if you don't know how this game works and your class then you die like nothing.

Actually playing your class makes you better, thats true. But you get the best if you do stuff alone! Doing things with a squad is and will always be easy mode and doesn't enhance your abilities quite as much as doing the same things alone.

So snap out of it and actually learn how to play and leave out that slow leveling bullcrap.

Like it was forgotten. ^ That's all one need to say about this matter.

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur wrote: »

The idea that you only use a few skills when questing is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The point of questing is to try out all your skills. Whenever I learn a new skill, first thing I do is grab a quest and start trying it out. I'm checking how long does it take to use, how hard does it hit, what other skills work well with it, is the skill even worth using. And by the time I'm done testing that skill out, I've killed all the mobs needed for that quest. True I could just test my skills on mobs without doing a quest, but I figure if I'm going to be killing mobs any way I might as well do a quest and get a decent reward for it.

so... one quest one skill. we have like what? definetely less than 50 skills even at bms. so 50 quests. how about the rest? how about the rest of the grinding to level? if you truly learn how to play your char you will only you a few skills, the fastest/most efficient ones. and the same ones for the same mobs with the exception of the few times you'll get a incr life or aggro more than you can handle.

Quests,Bounty Hunter Crazy Stoneb:victory

Levitate through FCC. b:cute

No seriously, anything productive concering this weird idea has already been said. lol