Sage 5aps PvE build, critiques?

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  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Skai and Celestris if you read this again, another sin on our server RT got 1x int on boots and chest - Sinfullness b:victory its looking good celestris good luck

    Nice, congrats to him. Thanks for sharing, hope I can get them soon myself!
  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I would have made another demon sin to equip your pve set and sage sin gets r999 b:nosebleed
    I wish u good luck achieving your goals, we need more crazy players like you b:chuckle
  • skaitavia
    skaitavia Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Skai and Celestris if you read this again, another sin on our server RT got 1x int on boots and chest - Sinfullness b:victory its looking good celestris good luck

    XD Sinful has had it for a while. I think he's the first to get it on both parts of r8r. Someday I'll get it.
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  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    XD Sinful has had it for a while. I think he's the first to get it on both parts of r8r. Someday I'll get it.

    Oh ok ty, this is the first time I looked at his gears and he had that r8r gear on. I thought it was new b:chuckle

    Good luckb:victory
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  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Nice update to your gear.

    When you now get Int on Boots and Armor once, you are at 4APS which is very good as a sage sin with g16.
    i think, going 2x int on chest (1.72% for 1x int) is cheaper then going 2x int on boots (0.16% for 1x int).

    Also i see one flaw in this build you have now, and thats the helm, i would have leaved it at g15 state, so you could get 5 more attack lv. Would be cool, if the g16 wrist had 0.1 int too, but nope they dont.
    Not much, but its 5 attack lv. and the refining rate isnt way higher then g15.
    At +10 the g15 helm has +1248 HP and the g16 has 1338 HP.
    Overall, its not much.

    Also the Emporer Tome will bosst your damage quiet good, because it gives 45 DEX, which increases your attack and critrate. not cheap, but hey.. your goal isnt cheap either b:laugh
  • Buff_me - Harshlands
    Buff_me - Harshlands Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    XD Sinful has had it for a while. I think he's the first to get it on both parts of r8r. Someday I'll get it.

    Nah, he wasn't the first to get, I personally know one sage sin, whome name I don't recall, to get int. on boots faster then Sinful.
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  • Buff_me - Harshlands
    Buff_me - Harshlands Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    2x int daggers purchased, so I'm at 2.86 aps base now. 24 rolls so far on chest with no -int yet unfortunately, so that puts me behind (20 on average to get at least 1 int on chest I believe).

    Current build: http://www.pwcalc.com/5fe3f9cd343321cf

    Thinking I should buy a lightly refined sky cover next while I continue to spend supply tokens on damascene ores to get -int on my chest. Feels like the next best place to put my money, unless someone thinks otherwise?

    Oh, my late congratulations.

    You give me an example of a will. If I get my gears back I might follow it up and make something special with my own assassin.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Skaitavia wrote: »
    XD Sinful has had it for a while. I think he's the first to get it on both parts of r8r. Someday I'll get it.

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  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I would have made another demon sin to equip your pve set and sage sin gets r999
    I wish u good luck achieving your goals, we need more crazy players like you

    Haha, thanks for the wishes b:laugh
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nice update to your gear.

    When you now get Int on Boots and Armor once, you are at 4APS which is very good as a sage sin with g16.
    i think, going 2x int on chest (1.72% for 1x int) is cheaper then going 2x int on boots (0.16% for 1x int).

    Also i see one flaw in this build you have now, and thats the helm, i would have leaved it at g15 state, so you could get 5 more attack lv. Would be cool, if the g16 wrist had 0.1 int too, but nope they dont.
    Not much, but its 5 attack lv. and the refining rate isnt way higher then g15.
    At +10 the g15 helm has +1248 HP and the g16 has 1338 HP.
    Overall, its not much.

    Also the Emporer Tome will bosst your damage quiet good, because it gives 45 DEX, which increases your attack and critrate. not cheap, but hey.. your goal isnt cheap either

    Yep, definitely right about the r8r pieces.

    You're also right about the helm, I should get the g15 TT helm. For some reason while I was creating the build, I thought there was only a G15 lunar helm so I wouldn't get the set attack level bonus. The defense boost from the hat will be appreciated as well. I've edited the build in my original post with your fix. I'll be working on that right away, thanks!

    I actually changed the love up and down tome to match the stats given by Emperor, so for all intents and purposes, it's actually an Emperor b:chuckle
    Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »
    Oh, my late congratulations.

    You give me an example of a will. If I get my gears back I might follow it up and make something special with my own assassin.

    Haha yes, I try to set a challenging goal and then I'll do everything I can to reach it. Not sure what happened to your gears, but I hope you're able to get them back. Thanks for the congrats b:thanks

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    Awesome, keep the comments coming. Thanks everyone!
  • Buff_me - Harshlands
    Buff_me - Harshlands Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »

    Haha yes, I try to set a challenging goal and then I'll do everything I can to reach it. Not sure what happened to your gears, but I hope you're able to get them back. Thanks for the congrats b:thanks

    Nothing less then my OP geared char was deleted by a side player and Dev. team has nothing to do with it.
    inb4: edited post due to forum violation. >.>
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  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nothing less then my OP geared char was deleted by a side player and Dev. team has nothing to do with it.
    inb4: edited post due to forum violation. >.>

    Damn, sucks to hear that, my condolences.

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    Sigh, 71 rolls on chest so far and no dice. Makes me wonder if the Spirit of the Forge has different probabilities than the normal forges, but that's just silly...right?
  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nothing less then my OP geared char was deleted by a side player and Dev. team has nothing to do with it.
    inb4: edited post due to forum violation. >.>

    what is a side player ?

    something like a "friend" who has your password ?

    Sound pretty amazing to me to share your password with someone who deletes your char ?
  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Damn, sucks to hear that, my condolences.

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    Sigh, 71 rolls on chest so far and no dice. Makes me wonder if the Spirit of the Forge has different probabilities than the normal forges, but that's just silly...right?

    71 rolls for double -int or 1x -int b:bored
  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sigh, 71 rolls on chest so far and no dice. Makes me wonder if the Spirit of the Forge has different probabilities than the normal forges, but that's just silly...right?

    Haha, 71 rerolls on an r8r armor make you doubt ?
  • Buff_me - Harshlands
    Buff_me - Harshlands Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »
    what is a side player ?

    something like a "friend" who has your password ?

    Sound pretty amazing to me to share your password with someone who deletes your char ?

    Nope, just a hacker.
    We, RT, have had an amzing 14 y.o. hacker, who succesfully **** number of high levels, including 105 sin. Nobody knows how. He is banned, thanks God.
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Damn, sucks to hear that, my condolences.

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    Sigh, 71 rolls on chest so far and no dice. Makes me wonder if the Spirit of the Forge has different probabilities than the normal forges, but that's just silly...right?

    Atleast I don't need to worry about my gear and this game altogether. I am finally free. f:grin
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm at 74 rolls for my r8r plate, LF just single -int. No luck yet. BM plate has slightly lower odds(about 4% instead of 5%).
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  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »
    Nope, just a hacker.
    We, RT, have had an amzing 14 y.o. hacker, who succesfully **** number of high levels, including 105 sin. Nobody knows how. He is banned, thanks God.

    Not much of a hacker if he can be stopped by a ban. Dont need to be a hacker to use a proxy server and get around IP bans really.
  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »
    Atleast I don't need to worry about my gear and this game altogether. I am finally free. f:grin

    Haha, guess that's the upside of not having the character anymore.
    Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »
    71 rolls for double -int or 1x -int b:bored

    Just 1x -int, sadly.
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »
    Haha, 71 rerolls on an r8r armor make you doubt ?

    It does from time to time, but I'm sure it's just some bad luck b:sad
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm at 74 rolls for my r8r plate, LF just single -int. No luck yet. BM plate has slightly lower odds(about 4% instead of 5%).

    Let's see who ends up with the worst luck b:chuckle

    Got 20 more rerolls coming soon, hopefully I have some good news by that time!
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Let's see who ends up with the worst luck b:chuckle

    Ummm, let me know when you roll your chest f:hehe, i will roll my r8r shoes for -int f:shockf:fan
  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    1st reroll on my barbs chest got int and chan, what is odd is chan is not on the list of add's at pwdb. I wonder how many other add's there are that is not listed in the game files but is granted from the server
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  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ummm, let me know when you roll your chest f:hehe, i will roll my r8r shoes for -int f:shockf:fan

    Oops, I already rolled! Sorry I didn't let you know =p
    Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    1st reroll on my barbs chest got int and chan, what is odd is chan is not on the list of add's at pwdb. I wonder how many other add's there are that is not listed in the game files but is granted from the server

    Yea, we tend to hold pwdatabase as perfect though really we should take it with a grain of salt since it does have it's errors..but it's our best source of info unfortunately b:surrender
  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    After 94 rolls, I finally got int on my chest! Here's my current build: http://www.pwcalc.com/e884710fd2de4831

    Pretty unlucky (~20 is the average number of rolls needed), but at least I can start on the boots now! I'm also in the midst of making my G15 helm as well, so hopefully I'll have news of that soon.
  • Fissile - Archosaur
    Fissile - Archosaur Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You gave up on double int on the chest? Do you still plan on 5aps or are you going to settle for 4aps (which would go 5aps with wind shield -- even though the guides say it shouldn't, I have verified that it does -- if you really wanted)?
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  • Celestris - Sanctuary
    Celestris - Sanctuary Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Fissile - Archosaur wrote: »
    You gave up on double int on the chest? Do you still plan on 5aps or are you going to settle for 4aps (which would go 5aps with wind shield -- even though the guides say it shouldn't, I have verified that it does -- if you really wanted)?

    Nope, definitely haven't given up, but it will come later. The logic for 1x -int Boots over 2x -int Chest goes:

    *Boots and Chest require the same mats to roll (so they are the same cost) so we can just compare probabilities.
    *Chance of getting at least 2x -int on Chest is 0.0877343% (0.0172^3 + 0.0172^2 * 0.9828 * 3)
    *Chance of getting at least 1x -int on Boots is 0.4% (0.0016^3 + 0.0016^2 * 0.9984 * 3 + 0.0016 * 0.9984^2 * 3)
    *0.4% > 0.088%

    Not even going to consider 3x int daggers. Cost would be over 72bil on average with current inflated EoO prices if you tried to roll them yourself (assuming it costs 250k per badge). Even if EoO prices were cheap, would still be far too expensive.

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