Sage 5aps PvE build, critiques?

Celestris - Sanctuary

Things to note about the build before clicking the pwcalc link below:

* [Love: Up and Down] is really [Emperor] with the 400 missing HP added on to the boots.
* Missing r8r 2 piece HP bonus is added to the boots (300 HP).
* Neck engraving is missing, don't worry about it.

Build: http://pwcalc.com/82b22e2eb13baf5c

Goals (in order of importance):

* The goal of the build is to "solve"/"win" as much of the game as possible solo. If it's impossible to solo, then I wanted to be able to tank said bosses in a squad. I didn't make this clear enough originally so I've added this here.
* For the bosses that I can't solo, be able to tank (with apoth, genie, etc.) as many of said bosses as possible in a squad.
* Be able to solo as many instances and bosses as possible with full buffs (or self buffs if purge comes into play).
* Be able to solo instances and bosses as quickly as possible.
* Use as a glass cannon ninja/suicide style in NW.

Reasoning for choosing what I did:

* Money is not particularly something I'm concerned about, though there are some limits (e.g. I'm not aiming to roll double int on r8r boots or triple int on r8r chest). I also don't plan on joining a faction to get the heaven ravager helm.
* I sharded DoT in the build because I wanted to get as much bloodpaint heals as possible to tank bosses, do more damage to complete instances/bosses faster (even if just a few seconds faster), and max out my DPS in NW. However, as I'm learning more and more about end game bosses (haven't been 100+ for too long), this seems like it's not going to work out as well as I'd imagined. Thoughts?
* The above point about sharding but applied to choice of gear. G16 Nirvana hat instead of G15 nirvana hat (more damage), [Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade] instead of [Lunar Mantle of Radiance] because the greater amount of stats means a tiny, tiny boost in damage after restatting.

Additional Information:

* Assume all skills will be learned and level 11 (if applicable).
* I plan on making a less squishy, half dps build (2.5-2.86) for NW, primarily by subbing in the weaker -int pieces with higher grade gear (e.g. TT99 ornaments with r999 belt/cube neck).
* I plan on making an r999 DPH set for NW.

I realize some of the goals may conflict with each other, so it might be somewhat hard to offer improvements or suggestions. They would be greatly appreciated though, especially if you could say why they help with a certain goal and might hurt another. Thanks for reading!

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Edit 1: Seems I need to make this more clear so I've given it it's own section. Many people have been implying that my goal is not "good" in their point of view. Instead of explaining why I'm doing this in every post and getting posts questioning why I even want to do this (which is not what I'm inquiring about), I've decided to put it here so that it's more visible. Please read Sakutabou's post (http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19135801&postcount=13) for one reason.

Think of this more as a goal I'm setting so I know what path to take. If I don't make it there, not a big deal but if by some luck I do, great. The mapping and managing of all the different variables going into making this build as likely to be achieved as possible are in themselves a rewarding experience, as well as executing on the plan itself. So in effect, it's not just the destination that's rewarding, but the journey as well.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Why spend about 10.000$ on a farming toon ?

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Probably $20K if you want double interval r8r chest lol

Are you JUST going to farm? Then go demon for the lower APS cost.

Kniraven - Lost City

Recasting r8 chest is incredibly incredibly cheap with NW.
He may already have the tome for all you know (which by the way costs nowhere near your estimates)

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »

Recasting r8 chest is incredibly incredibly cheap with NW.
He may already have the tome for all you know (which by the way costs nowhere near your estimates)

On average it will take roughly 1200 reroles to get a double in on the armor. at 2,5m per rerol that is going to cost 3billion coins on average. Increadibly cheap yes..... And thats average, it could very well turn out to be 10+billion. So the guy after me is right, its actually likely to be 20k total.

evilsmakers

First, that build isnot new =p

Second, u said money isnot problem just make +12 aps gear and +12 dagger and with charm u can solo TT3_3 without problems and that with ignoring the fact that farming is effective only in x2, also if u can get x2 into on your dagger you can change ur neacky+ blet For more better ones and u still 5 aps

Third, your bouns from r8r ISNOT enough to help u against full R9s3 chill sins I guess u get about 1k more mag def and 635 more physical def than normal aps sin, you can't depend on 1 set for pve and pvp


Finally, I would say go Demon or just make farming Demon sin and your sage sin for pk
Aps is not that helpfully now purify on well geared caster is pain
Also in Such games try to avoid luck cuz u may end up with nothing and regrate it later

Deadalus - Harshlands

This is the old discussion about going r8r to get double int on chest/boots and once int on boots/chest.
This is very very costly and it may seems tempting with the NW around and getting the tokens fast to reroll again, but the chances are so small to get decent stats on these pieces, i would just go normal aps set and demon.

When you again aiming on double int on daggers too, i mean its not too rare (not on HL) but still eats alot of rolls and ws runs, except you buy those daggers ofc.

My advice is, go r9 dagger instead, recast them to adversity and you get more BP heal then with sage BP heal and +12 g16 daggers, deal more damage and survive good (maybe not as good as sage in spark, but still well enough).

To solo 3-3, you dont need to be sage at all, just get a BM on your side (did someone said dual client here) and the bosses are down in 1-2 sparks anyway, even "solo".

I would say, that, when you dont want to lose sage bp, get yourself a sage sin as buff slave and go demon, works wonders. I done it myself and its just awesome and not too costly to solo higher instances like 3-2 and 3-3 except some bosses (emporer is a jerk just like steelation)
The loss of the 25% damage reduction sounds like much, but actually you get the damage back with BP heal with the way higher damage the r999 weapon deals (onehit is onehit, i know but when you are a onehit somewhere, chances are small, that you can solo it with 25% damage reduction).

b:pleased

Celestris - Sanctuary

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

Why spend about 10.000$ on a farming toon ?

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Probably $20K if you want double interval r8r chest lol

Are you JUST going to farm? Then go demon for the lower APS cost.

No, this toon is not only for farming. I will also be NW'ing with it, and it will be my main character. The goal isn't to be able to farm fast, it's to "solve" as much of the PvE game solo as possible, and failing that, being able to do something interesting in a squad besides dps (I have chosen to tank since healing is not an option). I've added this into the original post since I didn't make that clear enough.

evilsmakers wrote: »

First, that build isnot new =p

Second, u said money isnot problem just make +12 aps gear and +12 dagger and with charm u can solo TT3_3 without problems and that with ignoring the fact that farming is effective only in x2, also if u can get x2 into on your dagger you can change ur neacky+ blet For more better ones and u still 5 aps

Third, your bouns from r8r ISNOT enough to help u against full R9s3 chill sins I guess u get about 1k more mag def and 635 more physical def than normal aps sin, you can't depend on 1 set for pve and pvp


Finally, I would say go Demon or just make farming Demon sin and your sage sin for pk
Aps is not that helpfully now purify on well geared caster is pain
Also in Such games try to avoid luck cuz u may end up with nothing and regrate it later

First point, I know it's not original, but didn't see anyone post this exact build yet.

Second point I answered above, but basically it isn't for farming purposes, it's for "winning the game".

For the third point, I'm certainly not under the impression that r8r will help me against r999. The idea would be to pick off people out of position with massive dps as a style of play. As I said at the end of my post, I plan on having two other builds for NW.

For the last point, my answer to your second point should suffice. I'm ok with luck not going my way as well, I never expect myself to succeed so that when I do, it's a nice surprise

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Well, i think its a great idea. It will keep the servers running for a while b:pleased

Deadalus - Harshlands

When you want to PvP, then you will be pretty dissapointed with g16.
They dont really hit as hard as r9 daggers (even normal r9 non recasted ones) because of Zerk.

At hot battles, where you could need that boost of zerk, you are glad, you have it.
I noticed this too and im missing the zerk on my weapon and thats why im saving up for r9 now and dont refine my g16 daggers higher (+7 atm and doesnt deal very high damage, but stringer the g15 +10, not counting zerk)

So i would really doubt, that you are pleased with that setup tbh

Celestris - Sanctuary

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

When you want to PvP, then you will be pretty dissapointed with g16.
They dont really hit as hard as r9 daggers (even normal r9 non recasted ones) because of Zerk.

At hot battles, where you could need that boost of zerk, you are glad, you have it.
I noticed this too and im missing the zerk on my weapon and thats why im saving up for r9 now and dont refine my g16 daggers higher (+7 atm and doesnt deal very high damage, but stringer the g15 +10, not counting zerk)

So i would really doubt, that you are pleased with that setup tbh

Gotcha, I wasn't thinking the set up will be even average for PvP, but just an option since I'm going to have the gear anyways. Like I said, I'll definitely be getting a full r999 set down the line. I will definitely experiment swapping out the G16 Nirvana daggers with Adversity, as well as other pieces.

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Any more critiques? Even small tiny things where I can squeeze out one extra stat would be appreciated!

Tsyn - Raging Tide

Personally, for one, I think that this kind of APS set on your given level is a bit too much overkill. Moreover, it's unrealistic. With the money you spend trying to get a double APS on a chest, you'd might as well throw your hands up in the air and just buy S3.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Personally, for one, I think that this kind of APS set on your given level is a bit too much overkill. Moreover, it's unrealistic. With the money you spend trying to get a double APS on a chest, you'd might as well throw your hands up in the air and just buy S3.

Agree this is unrealistic and overkill for PvE. But, isn't overkill half the fun of an rpg?

I hate hearing "You don't need that for just PvE" because PvE is 99.9% of the fun of the game for me. I really could care less what my pvp gear is like, since its more fun to beat another player with skill rather than gear. But annihilating, I mean just demolishing an instance that you once needed to have full buffs, a "perfect squad", pots, apos, maybe charms... That is fun.

Otherwise anything over about 8k hp and R6 daggers for a sin would be overkill and that's where we should stop?

Pan Gu kills a puppy everytime someone says "you don't need JoSD's for PvE." Really, you don't need shards for PvE (or PvP) but the fun is turning a pissant into a god.

evilsmakers

Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »

First point, I know it's not original, but didn't see anyone post this exact build yet.

Well i already have this build but lunar instted of nirvana and i have post it before couple of weeks asking what the best Dagger would fit the build i think if u serch for it u will find it

Celestris - Sanctuary

Tsyn - Raging Tide wrote: »

Personally, for one, I think that this kind of APS set on your given level is a bit too much overkill. Moreover, it's unrealistic. With the money you spend trying to get a double APS on a chest, you'd might as well throw your hands up in the air and just buy S3.

Answer is exactly what Sakubatou, which is quoted below:

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Agree this is unrealistic and overkill for PvE. But, isn't overkill half the fun of an rpg?

I hate hearing "You don't need that for just PvE" because PvE is 99.9% of the fun of the game for me. I really could care less what my pvp gear is like, since its more fun to beat another player with skill rather than gear. But annihilating, I mean just demolishing an instance that you once needed to have full buffs, a "perfect squad", pots, apos, maybe charms... That is fun.

Otherwise anything over about 8k hp and R6 daggers for a sin would be overkill and that's where we should stop?

Pan Gu kills a puppy everytime someone says "you don't need JoSD's for PvE." Really, you don't need shards for PvE (or PvP) but the fun is turning a pissant into a god.

Thanks for saving me the time of needing to type it up myself b:pleased

evilsmakers wrote: »

Well i already have this build but lunar instted of nirvana and i have post it before couple of weeks asking what the best Dagger would fit the build i think if u serch for it u will find it

You would be referring to this post? http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=19121901#post19121901

Actually, my build has small but not insignificant differences when I'm trying to maximize every single bonus possible. Your example is perfect where your use of G15 lunar helm and legs (which gives a set bonus) vs. my G15 TT legs and G16 helm has differences. But I did read through that thread and thank you for asking that question previous to my thread as it was good to read through.

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I appreciate people trying to talk "some sense into me" as some might believe my allocation of coins is a waste when I could probably gear 10+ G16 nirvana characters with it, but I plan on focusing on one character and one character only. If you would be able to see and critique from that point of view, that would be most excellent. Thanks again everyone and keep them critiques coming.

Salari - Raging Tide

Interesting build, the new nw r9 ring would have been a better complement with a nw sky cover then 2 nw sky covers. With the amount of coins or real money that would take, just a reg aps demon sin with same sharding and refines , but with cube neck and ws belt will put you at about the same hp and probably similar defenses if not better with your chosen gear. I know sage spark has the dmg reduction but that build listed, you could build a bm and a barb with better defenses with cheaper gear that can solo anything in the game.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

I can never understand why someone wants to demolish pve. Imo the challenge - the fun - in PvE is not being able to demolish it. Thats why I don't farm or do much pve anymore. Its boring demolishing the same instance over and over. But we all got our own opinions i guess.

Theres really nothing much to say. Your build is more than enough for any level of PvE. I guess maybe if you ever want to pull full warsong or lunar, you could consider a full josd set.

skaitavia

If you do go for that build, good luck. I've been trying to get -int on my r8r boots for over 1.5 years now, and still haven't gotten them.

My goal after -int on boots is to get a single -int on chest, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. It's a goal that's worth it if you get it, but then you have to ask yourself.. is the time spent doing that actually worth it?

Celestris - Sanctuary

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

Interesting build, the new nw r9 ring would have been a better complement with a nw sky cover then 2 nw sky covers. With the amount of coins or real money that would take, just a reg aps demon sin with same sharding and refines , but with cube neck and ws belt will put you at about the same hp and probably similar defenses if not better with your chosen gear. I know sage spark has the dmg reduction but that build listed, you could build a bm and a barb with better defenses with cheaper gear that can solo anything in the game.

I want to do it on a sin, so unfortunately for me, I'm going to have to take the harder route. What does the NW forge r9 ring have over Star's Destiny? It seems like the Star's Destiny gives more relevant stats and refines better. Here's the link to the both of them:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/37008 - Star's Destiny
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/36647 - R9 ring upgraded

Also, with respect to being a demon sin instead with better neck and belt vs. sage sin:

* It's possible to roll triple int daggers, triple int chest, or double int boots. While EXTREMELY unlikely, it's not impossible. Though if I think about it now, I could choose to change to a sage sin after if I did roll those.
* Is it really better to be demon with cube and belt vs. sage's 25% damage reduction? I'd need proof of that but I'm not quite sure how to go about calculating it.
* PvP does have a small bit of impact on choosing sage for me. After reading Tsyn's breakdown of skills and his metaphor of "passes", I think sage greatly suits me better for PvP than demon.

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I can never understand why someone wants to demolish pve. Imo the challenge - the fun - in PvE is not being able to demolish it. Thats why I don't farm or do much pve anymore. Its boring demolishing the same instance over and over. But we all got our own opinions i guess.

Theres really nothing much to say. Your build is more than enough for any level of PvE. I guess maybe if you ever want to pull full warsong or lunar, you could consider a full josd set.

Pulling, there's something I didn't think about yet. I think I'd pull better in full r999 though, so I'll pass on doing it with this set.

Also, it's not really about destroying an instance over and over again. It's about using the knowledge of game mechanics and items available to you and seeing what things I can achieve. Pushing the barriers of what a sin can achieve if you'd like.

Skaitavia wrote: »

If you do go for that build, good luck. I've been trying to get -int on my r8r boots for over 1.5 years now, and still haven't gotten them.

My goal after -int on boots is to get a single -int on chest, but it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon. It's a goal that's worth it if you get it, but then you have to ask yourself.. is the time spent doing that actually worth it?

Hmm, wouldn't it be better to try for the single int on chest first since it has a higher probability of happening (~5% to get at least one if I'm not mistaken)? I might be unaware of some other goal you're attempting to fulfill though.

The time is well spent, yes. Though I must add, this isn't something I'm rushing to get or my only goal as I have two other builds I'll be working towards. Think of this as a goal I'm setting so I know what path to take. If I don't make it there, not a big deal but if by some luck I do, great. The mapping and managing of all the different variables going into making this build as likely to be achieved as possible are in themselves a rewarding experience, as well as executing on the plan. So in effect, it's not just the destination that's rewarding, but the journey as well. Multiple positives are the way to go!

Salari - Raging Tide

The rank 9 ring refines both phy def and mag def, has a better base attack and the channeling add helps with skill use. The att level increase on the star destiny may put its attack damage higher(with total damage) than the r9, but I would rather have the extra defenses.

The 25% damage reduction on sage sins may give a better defense than a demon sin, but with your build listed, is the cost really worth it? As Skai pointed out he has been trying for a year and a half just to get int on his boots. The game could be disbanded by the time you get the roll you need. The same can be said for the double int on the daggers. I did get double int on my daggers and was lucky at a laughable 6 rolls(i was not even shooting for int, just wanted good add's for pvp). I have known sins that took them 30+ rerolls just to get one int. You could spend a lifetime rerolling for those perfect stats. Heck I have a set of g15's I have been trying just to get gof for 100 rolls now, and that is just for damage testing.

Sage vers cube neck and ws belt...
In all honesty the sage should be better, but it goes back down to reality of what can be done. How much is it going to cost to make a 5aps sin with r8r and a g16 dagger. You could get it in a few rolls or never.


Dont get me wrong, I am not knocking your build or how you would like to gear you sin, I mean its a great build.. but is it a realistic one is the main question. Long before NW came out some people thought it was funny for me to try to farm a Warsoul Weapon, after a while I thought it was unrealistic as well. But when I heard from a friend of mine they had been farming one for a couple years and had 75% of the mats already. It started to sound a bit more realistic. I never farmed it but I knew it was possible.(there have been weapons farmed on other servers).

Good luck to you though and have fun doing it b:byeb:bye

Celestris - Sanctuary

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

The rank 9 ring refines both phy def and mag def, has a better base attack and the channeling add helps with skill use. The att level increase on the star destiny may put its attack damage higher(with total damage) than the r9, but I would rather have the extra defenses.

The 25% damage reduction on sage sins may give a better defense than a demon sin, but with your build listed, is the cost really worth it? As Skai pointed out he has been trying for a year and a half just to get int on his boots. The game could be disbanded by the time you get the roll you need. The same can be said for the double int on the daggers. I did get double int on my daggers and was lucky at a laughable 6 rolls(i was not even shooting for int, just wanted good add's for pvp). I have known sins that took them 30+ rerolls just to get one int. You could spend a lifetime rerolling for those perfect stats. Heck I have a set of g15's I have been trying just to get gof for 100 rolls now, and that is just for damage testing.

Sage vers cube neck and ws belt...
In all honesty the sage should be better, but it goes back down to reality of what can be done. How much is it going to cost to make a 5aps sin with r8r and a g16 dagger. You could get it in a few rolls or never.


Dont get me wrong, I am not knocking your build or how you would like to gear you sin, I mean its a great build.. but is it a realistic one is the main question. Long before NW came out some people thought it was funny for me to try to farm a Warsoul Weapon, after a while I thought it was unrealistic as well. But when I heard from a friend of mine they had been farming one for a couple years and had 75% of the mats already. It started to sound a bit more realistic. I never farmed it but I knew it was possible.(there have been weapons farmed on other servers).

Good luck to you though and have fun doing it b:byeb:bye

****, I totally forgot to look at the attack each ring gives. I also didn't know that the ring refines for both mag and phys def. Is this the same for all of the NW upgraded r9 rings? I may have to sub in the r9 ring when magic defense becomes necessary, but I'll keep the current rings for the base build.

The game probably will get disbanded before I reach my goal. Still will try anyways as it's one of the main things that keeps me entertained when playing this game. Belated congrats on the G16 rolls, haha.

Thanks for the words, appreciate your input so far and your well wishes!

More critiques please! b:thanks

Salari - Raging Tide

Yes I think all the upgraded r9 rings do refine both, and your welcome It is always good to have a goal b:victory

kamukaze

i'm big fan of sage sins, and i have 1 too. i like it but farm with demon is simply easier, couse you have more flexibility with build. obviously you dont need -0.1 int that sage do. you can replace your tt 99 ornaments with cube+warsong stuffs and you can replace your gloves too. with buffs it can be great difference, maybe equal with sage spark 25% dmg reduction but not sure.
all that i wanna say, to have an 5aps sage sin isnt = omfg unkillable farming machine. it nice but demon can be same too

skaitavia

Yes it might be easier to get -int on the chest first, but I'd still won't be able to use it until I get -int on the boots as well.

If I get -int on the boots first, I'll be able to switch my TT99 boots to that, and my TT99 wrists to my T2 Nirvana ones, and still have the same attack rate.

From there I could focus on getting -int on my chest. But as I said, don't expect this to happen within a year or two, unless you get lucky on your rolls. 2x -int on chest, 2x -int on daggers, and 1x -int on boots is something really difficult to get. You could potentially buy the daggers, but the others will take a while.

I had the same intention you did, as being a 5 APS when demon sparked R9 dagger assassin, but after realizing how long it was taking and how much it was costing (back then each reroll cost around 65m, and I did 10+ rerolls before Eyes of Darkness became available that reduced each reroll to ~25m each, and eventually NW came out that reduced it even further), progress slowed quite a bit.

Starting the goal now might not be a bad idea, as the price per reroll is set in stone, and there is an endless supply of materials. Back when the only way to obtain it was through trials, each Damascene was running 15-20m each due to the fact that not many factions were able to do those trials, and those that did did not want to sell those ores to outside members. My faction had enough members that needed R8r back then that buying from my faction was limited as well.

That was just my experience with the r8r goal.

Buff_me - Harshlands

Good luck with your idea, and keep us informed how it goes. b:thanks

Celestris - Sanctuary

kamukaze wrote: »

i'm big fan of sage sins, and i have 1 too. i like it but farm with demon is simply easier, couse you have more flexibility with build. obviously you dont need -0.1 int that sage do. you can replace your tt 99 ornaments with cube+warsong stuffs and you can replace your gloves too. with buffs it can be great difference, maybe equal with sage spark 25% dmg reduction but not sure.
all that i wanna say, to have an 5aps sage sin isnt = omfg unkillable farming machine. it nice but demon can be same too

Yes, Salari mentioned that swapping out gears might be better than the 25% damage reduction from sage spark. I'll have to buckle down and calculate it at some point.

I won't be farming unless necessary (e.g. basic badges for r999). The intent is my interpretation of "beating the game" as an assasin, as it were.

Skaitavia wrote: »

Yes it might be easier to get -int on the chest first, but I'd still won't be able to use it until I get -int on the boots as well.

If I get -int on the boots first, I'll be able to switch my TT99 boots to that, and my TT99 wrists to my T2 Nirvana ones, and still have the same attack rate.

From there I could focus on getting -int on my chest. But as I said, don't expect this to happen within a year or two, unless you get lucky on your rolls. 2x -int on chest, 2x -int on daggers, and 1x -int on boots is something really difficult to get. You could potentially buy the daggers, but the others will take a while.

I had the same intention you did, as being a 5 APS when demon sparked R9 dagger assassin, but after realizing how long it was taking and how much it was costing (back then each reroll cost around 65m, and I did 10+ rerolls before Eyes of Darkness became available that reduced each reroll to ~25m each, and eventually NW came out that reduced it even further), progress slowed quite a bit.

Starting the goal now might not be a bad idea, as the price per reroll is set in stone, and there is an endless supply of materials. Back when the only way to obtain it was through trials, each Damascene was running 15-20m each due to the fact that not many factions were able to do those trials, and those that did did not want to sell those ores to outside members. My faction had enough members that needed R8r back then that buying from my faction was limited as well.

That was just my experience with the r8r goal.

Got it, I see why the boots come first in your situation.

Yes, the chest and boots will definitely take some time, and getting them conflicts with getting the other NW gears since making the damascene ores with supply tokens is by far the cheapest and most available solution. I'm still thinking on what pieces I should work on first.

Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »

Good luck with your idea, and keep us informed how it goes. b:thanks

I certainly will, though as you know, it might be awhile before I can truly update with something special b:chuckle

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Thanks again to all who have responded so far. Anyone else have more to add?

Celestris - Sanctuary

Buff_me - Harshlands wrote: »

Good luck with your idea, and keep us informed how it goes. b:thanks

2x int daggers purchased, so I'm at 2.86 aps base now. 24 rolls so far on chest with no -int yet unfortunately, so that puts me behind (20 on average to get at least 1 int on chest I believe).

Current build: http://www.pwcalc.com/5fe3f9cd343321cf

Thinking I should buy a lightly refined sky cover next while I continue to spend supply tokens on damascene ores to get -int on my chest. Feels like the next best place to put my money, unless someone thinks otherwise?

Jesusisback - Raging Tide

Celestris - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thinking I should buy a lightly refined sky cover next while I continue to spend supply tokens on damascene ores to get -int on my chest. Feels like the next best place to put my money, unless someone thinks otherwise?

Just get a Lunar gold ring. b:surrender Saves you a good 70mil or so and to be frank, the 200 mag defense just flat out makes it better ESPECIALLY if it's going to be lightly refined.

Blutregen - Lost City

this build:

http://pwcalc.com/1f4bfad005a4f91f

Celestris - Sanctuary

Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »

Just get a Lunar gold ring. b:surrender Saves you a good 70mil or so and to be frank, the 200 mag defense just flat out makes it better ESPECIALLY if it's going to be lightly refined.

Thanks for bringing up that option as I didn't think about that ring. Certainly would be a noticeable enough upgrade over my Perfect Attendance ring since I'd be willing to refine it higher (or buy it pre-refined) as I can resell it later. I don't think I'll save 70mil on Sanctuary but I'll probably save at least 30mil for the time being. I'll check out what the prices, but that's probably what I'll go with. Thanks!

Blutregen - Lost City wrote: »

this build:

http://pwcalc.com/1f4bfad005a4f91f

As my original post pointed out, I'll have a full r999 set as another build. Also note that I said I'm not getting the ravager helm as I doubt I'll ever end up join a faction with a high enough level armory. I don't think this build will help me with my goal of killing fast and killing lots of bosses solo as much as the build I've currently posted either, unless I'm not seeing something here.

Salari - Raging Tide

Skai and Celestris if you read this again, another sin on our server RT got 1x int on boots and chest - Sinfullness b:victory its looking good celestris good luck