Perfect world company

Now that is a really good point you made in this thread +1 Thank you PWI.

agreed. For all the QQ and flaming you are going to take for actually LIKING the game... You are right. This game is one of the best MMO I have played. Really responsive team of people working here for the most part.

darkshao wrote: »

OP Nix -> OP 5 aps -> OP R9R3

No thanks.

Sorry, I just had to LOL at this one. I can take most nixes out in 2-3 shots, 5APS'ers are the easiest to kill in NW/TW/PvP, and R9R3 is absolutely worthless if you don't have a freaking clue, (which is pretty common). Besides, if you want to compete with the top-tier, you need to be top-tier. Not just with the gear, but with the knowledge and skills to back it up. If you're not in that tier, know your limitations and play accordingly.

That also has nothing to do with how PWE has managed the game. One disappointment though, way back before everything the OP posted, people QQ'ed about the veno being too powerful, and the herc being too powerful. Both were nerfed (the herc was nerfed twice), and in today's state of the game, both are damn near useless. They need to be un-nerfed. Return the herc to it's previous state and bring bramble back in PvP.

mrqwertyty wrote: »

hmm, 4 months to address a "solution" ? do you really think it's a coincidence that in the same day when they nerfed the exp, they also released recast r8 and r9 ? Do you really think that "goonz" was a glich ? I honestly, don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most you have said, but don't put fc glich in here, as that was the moment when pwi really started to die. It was intended to have as many lvls 100 as possible.

The "glitch" had been there for a few years already, we just hadn't found it and there wasn't widespread abuse. If it hadn't been abused so much, it would still exist.

Besides, you can still reach 100 in a matter of days without it.

They made a good job in making dc every 10 min
Ye they added new stuff to PWI, ofcourse they have to. Every game has to add new stuf for the noone will play.
It isnt only this DC problem, there are lots of bugs and when i write it i never get a reply.
U tell me now how many good things they made, and dont tell that every update had several bugs, always sth was not working.

i do agree with the orange text...

and the worse error above all, yes was to nerf stupid goons

it gave a major advantage to some and a greater disadvantage to many others

Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Goonz - there was a glitch with an FC boss that enabled players to farm exp very quickly
- PWI addressed this by nerfed the EXP from the mobs.

I didn't need to read anymore. The mere fact that you are willing to defend the entire goon fiasco by stating PWE did their jobs, is more than enough for me.

You're forgetting or ignoring the entire situation. This exploit was known by PWE for quite some time (7 months). They made statements that they would ban the players that exploited the mobs. It was a five minute band-aid fix that had to be implemented, and because the ridiculous rules that forbid PWE from touching the code, it wasn't fixed in a timely manner. It took 7 1/2 months to make the small change in EXP, and during this time PWE ignored the forums w/ threads relating to this issue.

If it was really done in a proper manner, the players that abused the exploit would not be allowed to continue playing the game on the account(s) they glitched with.

PWE provides a quality game, but lacks in quality service, and will most definately lack in this department forever unless they acquire the capabilities to touch the code themselves. If another exploit like this were to arise from an expansion or content update, what would stop people from abusing stuff again? They don't have to worry about being banned, because PWE already stated in the past that they lack the tools in their end to find the abusers without players reporting w/ pictures or video. Even then, most people didn't get banned.

It's silly, because level 105s do have an advantage over other players. Some people will go as far as to state that while it sucks, we should level via FF & PV to get 105. That's great and all... But why would anyone have to put large time-sinks, coins for repair/pots/charm, etc, and/or repeating the same instance again, when the people that abused this exploit got 105 on a silver platter along w/ any alts they wanted to go from 1-100+ nearly instantly.

And yet, this is merely one of the issues that makes PWE lack poor customer and player support. By this time, I could probably write a book on everything, really. We've got the whole pack issue, 11 & 12* orbs, censorship of names and unplayability, cube PKing in room 1, RB's gitch that allowed players to pull off full runs quickly and without touching a single mob, banning innocent players, copy/paste ticket replies, lying about jolly jones & coin sink issue, rank sales & cash shopped VS free player unbalanced issues, etc.

Like I said, I could literally write a book on it by now. Being active around the community for over 4 years does this. In the end, the game is what it is. It's a great game, but again - it has a lot of issues and lacks the customer support. I believe a big step forward was creating the bug tracker sub-forum, but even that isn't receiving as many responses as should be. I realize PWE staff are busy and have many other games to work on. Unfortunately, if that is the case they should hire more staff to compensate for this. But alas, this either won't happen or the staff aren't focusing on this game. Which is somewhat off, considering this game is named directly after the company that runs it. You would expect reasonably good support for a flag ship game.

All you people throwing insults cannot truly insult them seeming most likely none of you can do a better job it, the PWE team is constantly under pressure as a gaming co. They do a dang good job in my opinion, never have I truly experienced anything actually bad or so horrible in the game in my 3 years of playing.

I'll never forget the first 105 sin in lost city who lied about lvling in frost the normal way.GM's fell for it.where is that hilarious interview.b:laugh

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy PWI; but, if you think they do a 'dang good job' then you really need to experience more games. PWI's Customer Service, in my experience, is great. Their Dev work, however, is ****. Re-hashing instances? "Fixing" glitches is a sloppy manner? Lazy approach to content? Please. To give you some perspective, since I started playing in early '09, we only RECENTLY got this push to actively rectify bugs.

To be fair, I will say that the future is much brighter now than it was almost a year ago given the activity on the Quality Corner and the changes in the game. Also, the game itself is quite dated compared to many other games on the market. It's not surprising nor unreasonable that PWE turns its attention elsewhere. Honestly, if PW-CN dropped in popularity, I'd doubt we'd see our version last much longer.

Well to be honest I'm not very computer smart, I know media design and such and I'm a youtuber but I don't know like gaming codes, HTML codes or script or anything like that so I can't judge on that kind of level. But it is interesting to hear from this side, however.

Here we go with another QQ thread....

Yes this I have to agree, pwi is one of the better game companies as compared to other online game companies. I'm pretty much satisfied with their services and weekly updating/debugging/maintanence of the game.

Only problem I have with them is that they allow botters to run rampant in the server. There are a quite a number of botters in Archosaur and I have reported them tons of times and world chat to all the other players who came down to vouch for me as well as to help report those botters. However, the rrr9+12 botter is still around and i have caught and reported him for at least 10 times during this period of one year. So I guess nothing happens to top cash shopper. This is what irks me about pwi. Anything else it's great.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This issue is not that PWI doesn't fix issues. It's the horrible lack of expediency in fixing those issues, as you mentioned. The way bugs are fixed is also always with a ham-handed approach, given the Devs' lack of familiarity with the original coding. The "re-balancing" and "nerf" on APS took a very, very long time. Goons were "fixed" by removing the incentive instead of fixing the problem. =p

You actually think the devs can just snap their fingers and fix a glitch in a single update? You have to realize that the game's mechanics are very complex and just altering one detail could have an affect on 1 or many others. These adjustments have to be beta tested in a test server and that takes time to do. And as we all know that it's just not possible to find all the kinks in these updates and changes before they go live on our servers.

You won't see me every complaining about this because I understand the concept of what goes on there. Some glitches require a completely new system of processes to be developed just to fix it such as the DQ page glitch a few years ago.

So QQ as hard as some of you want to but if you really, REALLY want a broken game demand that they accelerate fixing glitches and 'rebalancing the game' as you put it because to do so will not allow the devs to adequately beta test these changes in their test servers and god know what might happen if they ever went live that way.

Oh, and that remark about removing the incentive..wtf? People do frost still. The incentive was removed by removing the ability to gain massive exp from the goons. But people still frost....every day on my server.

DoodsWH - Sanctuary wrote: »

actually you have no idea what your talking about. its all done by china devs why do you think sht keeps getting reverted and thats with waiting for months for there fixes to be "tested" could you be any more ignorant.

Their way has been fail for some time now literally they can make text changes everything else is up to china.

The person with the replies in orange hit the nail on the head. there pretty much is nothing further to add as that reply was the best one i have seen yet. the rest are just ignorant replies.

Really? Are you that arrogant and self absorbed?

Aybe - Lost City wrote: »

Originally Posted by Kiszmet - Heavens Tear View Post

Uhm.... I would have to disagree... on almost all points. My responses are in orange.

There is alot of QQ and hatred for Perfect world company and if you step back a second from your game you can see they do operate fairly well.


Tide born Expansion came and there was alot of QQ about how OP they were and APS should be Nerfed.

- PWI addressed this and re-balanced skills and nerfed aps.

PWI did NOT nerf APS, Aps is still alive and well. In fact the little bit they did do (-20% acc and -5% dam at 5APS) did nothing, and was meant to do nothing. In fact most APS toons laughed at it. It is less effective in PvP not due to skills but due to gear. They prevented APS from being extremely high on the new G 16 and R9 gear making APS toons decide to stay APS or move ahead and become more skill based. This is not a nerf, this is a forced decision, not bad on their part but not good either as many APS toons spent just as much on their char as the R93s have done today.

Don't forget to mention a few new bosses in both FB 100s and a few more on the way with the next part of the expansion. Hard for an APS toon to kill a boss that gains HP back with every melee hit with a buff. Maybe we see more of this in the future.

Goonz - there was a glitch with an FC boss that enabled players to farm exp very quickly
- PWI addressed this by nerfed the EXP from the mobs.

This was a TERRIBLE decision. The goons nerf made the end of FC useless and further encouraged the selling of heads rooms. But the real issue wasn't the goons glitch itself is was how it was handled. Bans were promised to all those that leveled to 105 using the glitch. They were never given and cheaters did and still do prosper. Nerfing all the goons in the meantime has punished everyone and made the end of FC useless. This set a precedent for game breaking that encouraged further botting and cheating as it became common belief that no matter what the GMs said, they would do nothing. For a time this was true. Only recently have they began combating this assumption.


*Ehem* ... Were you not paying attention when the PWI community staff explained that they did not have a proper system in place to track whether someone gained exp via a glitch or were able to determine if someone gained exp by glitching or just hard work? Did you not understand them when they stated they were not going to risk punishing a few who worked hard for their exp by assuming they leveled using the glitch because they could not determine how they leveled? Frankie was very clear about that. He was clear about it being a serious failure on PWE's fault but they couldn't in good conscience start punishing people without solid proof they glitched the game. It may not have seemed fair to other players and that's too bad but I agree with it. I wouldn't want to see anyone who worked hard to get exp to have to prove their innocence if action had erroneously been taken against them for something they never did.

Nobody glitches the goons anymore. And there is still a quest inside frost that requires a full run to complete. It might amaze you but some of us still run a full frost for that.

- Players wanted more content- PWI added Nation war / Morai and other endgame content.

Morai was LAZY... so lazy the land itself is already past use. Some still run AEU and some still quest for skills... but that's it. The two new dungeons would barely account for one if they were combined. And reusing EU for AEU was kind of cheap in my opinion. Nation wars was a decent update, even though it did kill the rap/cannie economy and rendered Nirvana pointless. Ah well, nirvana was kind of pointless to begin with.


Back in my day ... before the last expansion and beyond I was hard pressed to see anyone, and I mean ANYONE asking in WC or anywhere for a squad to run a full Warsong. Same goes for Lunar other than the few who just wanted a BH. While NV was active in the past and may not be now I can say that those 2 instances I mentioned are just as active if not more than NV was last year. I never saw you or anyone QQ when Lunar and Warsong were as empty as a ghostown during the NV craze.

As for your Morai QQ. That's too ridiculous to even comment on.

By the way, there still is an economy for raps and uncannies. I'm making a decent profit from them today just as I did back in the NV run days. Actually I'm making more. What you fail to mention is that before the last expansion and NW raps and uncannies were mainly used for lower NV grade gears. Now that we have 3rd NV casts and recasts and 3rd cast r9 the demand for those are just as high or higher. Think about what the prices of raps and uncannies would be had the devs introduced the new gears but not NW as a way to get the raps and uncannies. Also it's easier for people who actually refuse to catshop to get near end game gears to complete with those who cash shopped r9 1st cast. It's insane to QQ about the past economy of raps and uncannies when changes were made to the game that increased the demand for them so much.

I spent months farming for mats on the open map to make wines for BH to earn my herc years ago. That economy doesn't even exist anymore. Where's the QQ over that?

*EDIT* Oh I get it. Those few elite Full 5.0 aps super sins and their super squads who were getting filthy rich facerolling the entire NV instance in 4 minutes or less became obsolete when NW came around and anyone who participated could get the raps and uncannies they needed for their gears. That must be the QQ rage here.


Players wanted more Mid and low game content - not just endgame stuff
They added new quest lines for lower / mid lvls

Adding new quest lines is not what I would consider content unless there is something for it at the end. Most of them are still go to A kill B come back and get C, just like all the other quests that already existed. Once again, lazy. They don't really add anything to the game, just give mid and high level players more quests to do, and pointless since many mid level toons would rather FC powerlevel. The week FC was disabled was perhaps one of the best weeks for the life of this game. If you really wanted to defend mid level content you should have brought up phoenix valley. Still kind of half assed but at least something different.

So what? These new quest lines do serve a purpose.

Players QQ when DQ were nerfed and coins removed from Delta
PWI - added daily quest that players could do for coins to learn skills and get items.

Seriously? The coins were removed for botting issues. As above, the many are being punished for the actions of a few. Since when is this EVER a good idea? Delta used to be a good run with friends that had a decent reward and punished incompetence. Now it is usually only done for BH's. On top of that the OBP and the Tome Fragments are worth more than coin drops anyway so nerfing the coins... yah kind of unnecessary for our version. This goes back to the previous point of their nerfs coming over to our game with FC. But when people in this game QQd about FC they brought it back. For RB? Nothing. Way to show your priorities PWE. Let noobs keep pwr leveling so they have to pay $$ for their skills and gear while high level players lose ANOTHER source of income.

The new coin quest is for mid level players only, and has a cap to how many times it can be run. It has also broken numerous times since its implementation, to which I think it's working now. I'm not sure how it works as I havn't utilized it much, but if your characters are all lev 80-105 its not an option for you. The high level DQ still gives coins yes, but grinding for it is a pain, and btw, yes I still do it.

LOL! You're QQing about a cap on how many coin quests can be run? I suppose you demand that the morai dailies for prestige and influence ought to have the once a day limit removed so we can do as many as we could ever want too.

Facebook connect recently went down and no one could get their Jones blessing.
The CM quickly gave a solution and posted codes on FB so that players could get their blessings.

Facebook connect has gone down numerous times, not just recently. It is an add to the game, not part of the game itself, and not even a necessary one. One of the reasons it receives priority is that its free advertising for their company.

Pointless. Who cares. People want their free ****. Well, sometimes we do get what we pay for. Just be satisfied it is there when it is up and running. Again I can't complain about not getting something that is free. It's when I pay for something and not get it when I would have an issue.

There are countless amounts of times that players have complained and PWI has responded- not always in a timely fashion but they adapted and changed game play to the users desires.

LOL ok this one is kind of broad though half correct. I for one do give PWI customer service staff props for the flack they put up with while still giving excellent service (in my experience) however, they do not affect gameplay. They can make minor alterations to accounts and content but actual game changes have to take place through the development team in china. This is the area most people have a problem with. The development team does NOT change game play to suit user desires until they realize their wallet is being hit by not doing so, and recently it has been hit hard. Many people quit PWI after the NW expansion and what it did to game balance and economy. These things were intended btw don't think they weren't. The more powerful R9 the more people will pay $ for it. Of course the more people that quit as well, which the shear number that did was probably not something they were counting on. Also the poor handling of the new barb and veno forms has left a bitter taste in the mouths of those players as well. One could argue the new pet system is a benefit to free venos. However they are releasing two new cash shop pets with it while trying to make herc and nix worth $200 again. Not something I can blame them for, but that will be even more money from rich venos who want a full pet bag of PvP pets :P. Let the QQ commence... PWI is in trouble, and the company knows it. What remains to be seen is whether they are going to buck up and try and save their sinking game, or try and force everyone to Neverwinter and let this game sink. At that point I will say goodbye to PWE forever as given how they have treated their flagship franchise and some of their other MMO's I have played, I would NEVER start playing another game with the PWE logo on it.

The game does not belong to us. We pay for a service and that service is rendered when we are playing the game. The game's content et al and decisions on how the game is moderated, implemented, etc. belongs to PWE. If you don't like it you are free to walk away and never spend another minute of your life with it. You don't even have to charge another $1 for gold or whatever. We might be the player base and sometimes we hate the new directions of the game but the entire point the OP of this thread is making is that PWE has responded to the player base. The vast majority of us adapt to the changes and move on. Some of you sit there and QQ and trash talk the game like this and accomplish nothing but making yourself feel miserable. If that's all you can do it's time for you to uninstall. Seriously. It's just not worth it. And for those of you who would QQ about how much money and time you spent or whatever get over it. You got your value every minute you played the game. You aren't owed anything. I spent a few $100 2 years ago and quit for a year. Guess what? When I came back the stuff I spent my money on was still on my character. I still have the value of what I bought. Besides when I came back it was like a totally different game with all the changes.

I for one would like to say thank you to PWI and its staff members for hearing our voices and addressing the issues.

At this point I'm hoping your original post was meant to be sarcastic, if it wasn't then this is either your first MMO or you are too new to this game to understand the underhandedness that has occurred throughout its five years of existence. The first year of this game was still the best, and no, that's not rose colored glasses that's the sad and shameful truth. I still mourn the long term potential this game had, but PWE chose to instead run it into the ground for short term profits.

Short term profits? LOL! Since when is anything related to software considered for long term profits. New technologies are created every day and sometimes so fast that short term profits in this type of industry is a standard. Do you think Microsoft was thinking about long term profits when they released Windows 95 only to be replaced by Windows 98 3 years later? Or how about a freaking file format change when they released Windows XP 3 years after that?

The very nature of the software industry, and video games are most definitely included, revolves around short term profits. That's just the way it is. Like the evolution of Microsoft's windows OS this game must evolve just to keep existing. Sure I regret it sometimes and long for early days when I could buy gold for 120K and HH90 gear was considered overpowered but all that is just nostalgia. I asked myself what would I be doing now in this game had it never changed. Just 3 races and a smaller world map. No BH quests, etc. I doubt I would still be here.

As I stated in magenta colored text the main point of the OP's thread is that PWE has responded to the player base. Considering how impossible it is to satisfy everyone they do have tough choices to make and they do end up with some very disgruntled players. What can they do? Really? They can make the game whatever they want it to be and we can either adapt and move on or post QQ threads and replies and be miserable with it.