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Jadsia - Lost City

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am well aware of the process to fixing and balancing. When did I imply that it had to be at the snap of a finger? As I said earlier in another post: If you, personally, honestly believe that things are taken care of at a normal or acceptable pace, then you ought to go play more games to see what it is to have proper management and development. That or you are so very accustomed to the management here that you cannot possibly do anything but believe that everything the Devs do is good. It is not.

Do you honestly believe things are thoroughly tested? Really? I beg to differ. Why does it take months to rectify SP PvP? There are people with far more knowledge of game code than I who can attest to the simplicity of that fix. Even so, a grand majority of what we deal with is due to the nature of our game. We have an ocean between us and the development team. Our game is not the most important in the PW franchise. I don't mind this and am well aware of the inherent limitations.

Stop nitpicking. I didn't say the incentive of running Frostcovered was removed. I said the incentive from performing the glitch was removed. That is NOT a fix. That is, at best, work-around. The glitch is still there. Imagine if my mechanic told me: "Hey I know you said to fix the leak in the heater, but it was too hard so I just bypassed it. You won't get heat but at least it won't leak anymore!" Would that also be acceptable too? I mean, you can still run the car and hey, the leak isn't there! That's a fix, right?

It takes a long time to test the updates on their test servers because PWE does not have 100s if not 1000s of staff or whatever to beta test the changes. Every change has a huge potential for unintended consequences such as the faction icon issue a couple weeks ago. I actually set up my own private server and I got a taste of the spaghetti code that involves the quest chains, NPCs, et al and I know all it takes is just one detail to be wrong and it will crash the entire game. It's not simple. This game is complex and gets more complex every time they pile on new content.

Yes the incentive to glitch frost was removed so their fix worked. Not to mention that glitch had been there for years.

Born_Free - Lost City

Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There is alot of QQ and hatred for Perfect world company and if you step back a second from your game you can see they do operate fairly well.
I hope you're using "fairly well" loosely.

Tide born Expansion came and there was alot of QQ about how OP they were and APS should be Nerfed.
- PWI addressed this and re-balanced skills and nerfed aps.
They "nerfed" aps. It was such a bad nerf, that it was hardly even noticed.
Also, rebalancing? Is that what you want to call purify on r9rrr? That's some "balanced" gameplay right there.

Goonz - there was a glitch with an FC boss that enabled players to farm exp very quickly
- PWI addressed this by nerfed the EXP from the mobs.
And did not punish the mass amount of people who cheated, like they'd promised. Then they went and made PV, an instance that allows players to farm exp very quickly--except this time they decided it might be a good idea to put...level caps on them. Why haven't they done this with FC? Probably because it's the only way people level anymore, thanks to terrible management.

- Players wanted more content- PWI added Nation war / Morai and other endgame content.
Guild Base Wars. It's been almost two years.

Players wanted more Mid and low game content - not just endgame stuff
They added new quest lines for lower / mid lvls
Name five. Name five new quest lines for lower/mid levels.

And even if you could, would it matter? Go outside to a quest area and see how many people there are out there. Go to Shattered Jade. Go to Secret Passage. Go to Burning Heart. There is NOBODY THERE.
When I was leveling up my Psychic, I couldn't even SNEEZE in those areas in Harshlands without being hit by something, or someone. Now, a log of cheese could fall out of the sky, and there wouldn't be anybody around to notice it.

An MMORPG should advertise something that draws a constant flow of new players. the RT expansion did that for a long time, and then, the game DIED. I don't know how, or why, but it just did. PWE couldn't keep new people from coming in, and this is what we're left with.

Players QQ when DQ were nerfed and coins removed from Delta
PWI - added daily quest that players could do for coins to learn skills and get items.
Try getting a normal BH squad for anything below 100. I dare you. Secondly, they also gave us an area where we can just sit there and level--exactly what are they trying to promote to their playerbase? How on earth is that supposed to get anybody interested in playing their MMO?

It's an MMO, people--nothing should just be handed out for free. That's the whole point of having an MMO to begin with: competition against computer generated enemies, other players, and working (in some shape or form, money doesn't grow on trees either,) to get to where you want to be.

And that's NOT what Pwe is giving us. They are literally handing endgame, endgame gear, and endgame content out on a silver platter. You can buy your way to the end, and that, is boring....and in the end, it won't even be as profitable as to if you'd just left it the heck alone.

Facebook connect recently went down and no one could get their Jones blessing.
The CM quickly gave a solution and posted codes on FB so that players could get their blessings.
Let's count how many times they've broken it.

There are countless amounts of times that players have complained and PWI has responded- not always in a timely fashion but they adapted and changed game play to the users desires.
My desire is to see this game come back to life. It's not working out very well.

I for one would like to say thank you to PWI and its staff members for hearing our voices and addressing the issues.

Meh, some things I can complain about more than others are far as their customer service. Other than that, it's just "okay."

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Decus - Dreamweaver

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Yes the incentive to glitch frost was removed so their fix worked. Not to mention that glitch had been there for years.

You said it yourself. That problem had been there for years. So, in your mind, problems that remain for years and then are "fixed" with ham-handed work-arounds are acceptable because it's difficult to do otherwise? Difficulty of a task is NOT an excuse for poor execution. What fantasy world do you live in? So, since it's difficult to code and manage the game properly, I am not allowed to find fault in the job of the devs? I wish I had a job where I could tell customers that, due to my own ignorance and difficulty of my job, it's okay that I perform poorly.

The glitch was not fixed. Any justification by you is inherently false because the problem was not rectified. Full stop. There is no other way to spin it.


Anyway I am derailing too much. As I said, I've seen lots of improvement in recent months. Ultimately, they can do whatever they want with their game, but I don't have to pretend to be happy with the way the game is managed and developed.

Azura - Lost City

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sorry, I just had to LOL at this one. I can take most nixes out in 2-3 shots, 5APS'ers are the easiest to kill in NW/TW/PvP, and R9R3 is absolutely worthless if you don't have a freaking clue, (which is pretty common). Besides, if you want to compete with the top-tier, you need to be top-tier. Not just with the gear, but with the knowledge and skills to back it up. If you're not in that tier, know your limitations and play accordingly.

That also has nothing to do with how PWE has managed the game. One disappointment though, way back before everything the OP posted, people QQ'ed about the veno being too powerful, and the herc being too powerful. Both were nerfed (the herc was nerfed twice), and in today's state of the game, both are damn near useless. They need to be un-nerfed. Return the herc to it's previous state and bring bramble back in PvP.

I wasn't aware hercules had been nerfed. How was it nerfed?

Jadsia - Lost City

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You said it yourself. That problem had been there for years. So, in your mind, problems that remain for years and then are "fixed" with ham-handed work-arounds are acceptable because it's difficult to do otherwise? Difficulty of a task is NOT an excuse for poor execution. What fantasy world do you live in? So, since it's difficult to code and manage the game properly, I am not allowed to find fault in the job of the devs? I wish I had a job where I could tell customers that, due to my own ignorance and difficulty of my job, it's okay that I perform poorly.

The glitch was not fixed. Any justification by you is inherently false because the problem was not rectified. Full stop. There is no other way to spin it.


Anyway I am derailing too much. As I said, I've seen lots of improvement in recent months. Ultimately, they can do whatever they want with their game, but I don't have to pretend to be happy with the way the game is managed and developed.

The glitch was never an issue until someone started benefitting from it. Then the issue spiraled. What do you want? To recode the entire instance? Because that's what it would take to fix the glitch to your satisfaction. PWE is a business and like any business they have to maintain the 'bottom line' whether you like it or not. What the devs did to resolve the issue served its purpose. The goons are not that much of a factor for exp in Frost for hell's sake. There are so many other ways to get mass exp in this game it's ridiculous. Do the cube. Run PV. Do AEU. How about the realm of reflection. Do some open world quests. Do BH. Yes there are some out there that will do BH still. Find them and make a perma squad for it. But to rag on the devs for removing the incentive to glitch the goons the way they did is not significant considering all the new content for p-leveling that had been added since the issue with goons was resolved.

By the way, I hate to break this news to you but Perfect World (CN and PWI) is not the only boat in their fleet. They develop and maintain more than a half dozen MMOs. Be grateful they're supporting this old game as much as they are because I'm sure they spread their development resources (beta testing included) thinly between them all. As I said they have a bottom line to maintain. If you have a problem with it then find a way to deal with it yourself. It is what it is.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

The glitch was never an issue until someone started benefitting from it. Then the issue spiraled. What do you want? To recode the entire instance? Because that's what it would take to fix the glitch to your satisfaction. PWE is a business and like any business they have to maintain the 'bottom line' whether you like it or not. What the devs did to resolve the issue served its purpose. The goons are not that much of a factor for exp in Frost for hell's sake. There are so many other ways to get mass exp in this game it's ridiculous. Do the cube. Run PV. Do AEU. How about the realm of reflection. Do some open world quests. Do BH. Yes there are some out there that will do BH still. Find them and make a perma squad for it. But to rag on the devs for removing the incentive to glitch the goons the way they did is not significant considering all the new content for p-leveling that had been added since the issue with goons was resolved.

I get the feeling you don't read much of my posts when you comment. Never did I complain about exp and the way to get it. Once again, you're excusing poor development by claiming the difficulty inherent in doing so. You're also claiming that it's okay since there are many other things in the game that accomplish the same goal. If that's how you see it, then I'm not going to bother anymore. It's a waste of my time to even try to justify it. I'll say it one last time, so you can read it plainly, though you probably won't read it: If you, personally, honestly believe that things are rectified and developed at a normal or acceptable pace, then you ought to go play more games to see what it is to have proper management and development.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

By the way, I hate to break this news to you but Perfect World (CN and PWI) is not the only boat in their fleet. They develop and maintain more than a half dozen MMOs. Be grateful they're supporting this old game as much as they are because I'm sure they spread their development resources (beta testing included) thinly between them all. As I said they have a bottom line to maintain. If you have a problem with it then find a way to deal with it yourself. It is what it is.

On second thought, yea, I am pretty sure you don't read my posts much before wasting my time by nitpicking:

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We have an ocean between us and the development team. Our game is not the most important in the PW franchise. I don't mind this and am well aware of the inherent limitations.

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not surprising nor unreasonable that PWE turns its attention elsewhere. Honestly, if PW-CN dropped in popularity, I'd doubt we'd see our version last much longer.

But yea, you're right. Sub-par is totally acceptable so long as you have lots of projects to work on. I honestly hope you don't work in any job or field on which I will need to depend. Ever.

Kiszmet - Heavens Tear

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Don't forget to mention a few new bosses in both FB 100s and a few more on the way with the next part of the expansion. Hard for an APS toon to kill a boss that gains HP back with every melee hit with a buff. Maybe we see more of this in the future.

Oh I didn't forget those, I decided not to mention them because APS squads still kill them before those buffs take effect. And seriously, BH? Who cares about BH? It's once a day and everyone can do it. I could go on about TT and Nirvana but in this age of PWE there really isn't much point. Nirvana is useless and TT has been tapped almost dry. The point was APS dominated the servors for quite some time and PWE did little to nothing to counter it directly. A few bosses got APS themselves but that's not really a direct fix. If they did they could have nipped a lot of the games current issues in the bud. They didn't, end of story. BTW, are you familiar with Warsong Spawn killing? Yep, as I said earlier, APS is alive and well...

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

*Ehem* ... Were you not paying attention when the PWI community staff explained that they did not have a proper system in place to track whether someone gained exp via a glitch or were able to determine if someone gained exp by glitching or just hard work? Did you not understand them when they stated they were not going to risk punishing a few who worked hard for their exp by assuming they leveled using the glitch because they could not determine how they leveled? Frankie was very clear about that. He was clear about it being a serious failure on PWE's fault but they couldn't in good conscience start punishing people without solid proof they glitched the game. It may not have seemed fair to other players and that's too bad but I agree with it. I wouldn't want to see anyone who worked hard to get exp to have to prove their innocence if action had erroneously been taken against them for something they never did. Nobody glitches the goons anymore. And there is still a quest inside frost that requires a full run to complete. It might amaze you but some of us still run a full frost for that.

I understand they made phony threats and failed to follow up on them, hence why I said it set a dangerous precedent of allowing cheating. Again, you didn't pay attention to my post. Whether they stated it or not, they shouldn't have made those threats to begin with if they couldn't follow up on them. Anyone in any position of authority knows this. Also there were much better ways to handle the goon glitch than sweeping it under the rug as they did. People even offered suggestions, they were just ignored. As for the instance itself, saying nobody glitches the goons anymore is stupid, because obviously no one is going to glitch them if they don't give exp anymore. If they did I guarantee powerlevel squads would be trying to rake it in. The quest you mentioned is still there and yes people can still run it- if they want an outdated weapon- a flawless gemstone- or 100 perfect stones. I do full runs when I can, but the sad reality is most just don't care and would rather run it for the headroom exp.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Back in my day ... before the last expansion and beyond I was hard pressed to see anyone, and I mean ANYONE asking in WC or anywhere for a squad to run a full Warsong. Same goes for Lunar other than the few who just wanted a BH. While NV was active in the past and may not be now I can say that those 2 instances I mentioned are just as active if not more than NV was last year. I never saw you or anyone QQ when Lunar and Warsong were as empty as a ghostown during the NV craze.

As for your Morai QQ. That's too ridiculous to even comment on.

You... you really don't read anything do you... the outright ignorance here is just... wow... for someone who says "back in my day" you really seem to have no concept of what those instances used to be.

People didn't run Lunar or Warsong because there was little reason to. TT99 gear is slightly better than Lunar 95 gear and it was easier to buy and farm. If you really wanted the Lunar Nirvana armor it was far cheaper to simply solo it for your mats instead of having everyone pay 3mil (yes that's right it ALWAYS cost 3 mil to run lunar, hence the lack of activity) to do it. You claim you've played this game a long time but you don't even mention that might have had something to do with lack or runs... for shame.

WS was a matter of too little reward for too much time and investment. The instance used to be much harder than it is today (nerfed shortly after NW came out) and people had worse gears.

The fact that there was little reason to run those instances was the problem, PWE changed that in the most half assed way possible. Put a BH in both runs. That was before the NW expansion giving both a point by making it drop gear molds and badges but overall they benefited BECAUSE few people ran them to began with. It was something new for those who didn't want to bother trying them before. Now they are trying the same things with FB99, a dungeon people still run all the time for... BH's... that alone should point to a problem. We will have to wait and see how it turns out but I doubt it will have the same impact as bringing life back to Lunar and WS.

Since you didn't bother with Moria I wont either.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

By the way, there still is an economy for raps and uncannies. I'm making a decent profit from them today just as I did back in the NV run days. Actually I'm making more. What you fail to mention is that before the last expansion and NW raps and uncannies were mainly used for lower NV grade gears. Now that we have 3rd NV casts and recasts and 3rd cast r9 the demand for those are just as high or higher. Think about what the prices of raps and uncannies would be had the devs introduced the new gears but not NW as a way to get the raps and uncannies. Also it's easier for people who actually refuse to catshop to get near end game gears to complete with those who cash shopped r9 1st cast. It's insane to QQ about the past economy of raps and uncannies when changes were made to the game that increased the demand for them so much.

I spent months farming for mats on the open map to make wines for BH to earn my herc years ago. That economy doesn't even exist anymore. Where's the QQ over that?

*EDIT* Oh I get it. Those few elite Full 5.0 aps super sins and their super squads who were getting filthy rich facerolling the entire NV instance in 4 minutes or less became obsolete when NW came around and anyone who participated could get the raps and uncannies they needed for their gears. That must be the QQ rage here.

Nirvana was pointless instance because it was easy and it was nothing but 5-7 bosses in insanely boring rooms. I didn't even mention the 5APS issue because that was and still is prevalent in many areas of PvE and had nothing to do with that particular topic, AND was already discussed earlier. Most know I was an avid opponent of 5 aps back in the day, but when it comes to the instance itself I could care less. Caster nirvy mayhap? Yes it existed, and could be run once (and again for each BH). Where 5 APS toons could run as much as they had keys for, but again... beside the point. As for the rap and canny economy, if you want to say its still alive your welcome to. Only people who don't NW have to buy them from your shop and even then they are much much much less expensive then they used to be, and getting cheaper. I have said in several posts that this is actually a good thing overall but as we determined you don't read there's little point in bringing it up again. I have also said that those markets are fast drying up due to the ease of attaining them and soon there will be little profit to be had with them, so... enjoy it while you can.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

So what? These new quest lines do serve a purpose.
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Why do I even bother? Really... The point wasn't about whether they served a purpose or not, it was that it shouldn't be given props as "new content" when its really just more of the same done again. Paint serves a purpose too, but painting a different colored stripe across your wall doesn't make it a new room.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

LOL! You're QQing about a cap on how many coin quests can be run? I suppose you demand that the morai dailies for prestige and influence ought to have the once a day limit removed so we can do as many as we could ever want too.

Why do you assume I'm QQing? I was simply stating a fact of point. I even said I don't even do the quests. LEARN TO READ. The reason I mentioned the cap at all is because when someone goes out to grind DQ items for coins their isn't a cap on how many DQ items they could NPC. With a cap on the coin quest is doesn't really replace DQ items as a source of income. Now you can argue semantics about time vs DQ items vs time and coin quest and you'll probably find that coin quest is better than DQ for the sake of coins in the short term, but the implementation of the coin quests shifts gameplay in a different direction. Not a bad thing in itself, but it stands as a Band-Aid fix to a symptom of a far larger problem, the implementation of such fixes being THE ENTIRE POINT of my previous post.

Now on the facebook issue...

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

Pointless. Who cares. People want their free ****. Well, sometimes we do get what we pay for. Just be satisfied it is there when it is up and running. Again I can't complain about not getting something that is free. It's when I pay for something and not get it when I would have an issue.

Free? There is no such thing as a free lunch and those blessings are not free. They are advertising for PWI on your facebook account, and you have to have a facebook account to use them, a win for facebook as well. The fact that is doesn't cost you anything monetarily doesn't make it free. Now, again, I have to point out I'm not complaining about this, I am pointing out a fact. I don't know why you are complaining about facts but if you don't know how to read I suppose facts can be very hard for you to handle.

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

The game does not belong to us. We pay for a service and that service is rendered when we are playing the game. The game's content et al and decisions on how the game is moderated, implemented, etc. belongs to PWE. If you don't like it you are free to walk away and never spend another minute of your life with it. You don't even have to charge another $1 for gold or whatever. We might be the player base and sometimes we hate the new directions of the game but the entire point the OP of this thread is making is that PWE has responded to the player base. The vast majority of us adapt to the changes and move on. Some of you sit there and QQ and trash talk the game like this and accomplish nothing but making yourself feel miserable. If that's all you can do it's time for you to uninstall. Seriously. It's just not worth it. And for those of you who would QQ about how much money and time you spent or whatever get over it. You got your value every minute you played the game. You aren't owed anything. I spent a few $100 2 years ago and quit for a year. Guess what? When I came back the stuff I spent my money on was still on my character. I still have the value of what I bought. Besides when I came back it was like a totally different game with all the changes.


Short term profits? LOL! Since when is anything related to software considered for long term profits. New technologies are created every day and sometimes so fast that short term profits in this type of industry is a standard. Do you think Microsoft was thinking about long term profits when they released Windows 95 only to be replaced by Windows 98 3 years later? Or how about a freaking file format change when they released Windows XP 3 years after that?

The very nature of the software industry, and video games are most definitely included, revolves around short term profits. That's just the way it is. Like the evolution of Microsoft's windows OS this game must evolve just to keep existing. Sure I regret it sometimes and long for early days when I could buy gold for 120K and HH90 gear was considered overpowered but all that is just nostalgia. I asked myself what would I be doing now in this game had it never changed. Just 3 races and a smaller world map. No BH quests, etc. I doubt I would still be here.


As I stated in magenta colored text the main point of the OP's thread is that PWE has responded to the player base. Considering how impossible it is to satisfy everyone they do have tough choices to make and they do end up with some very disgruntled players. What can they do? Really? They can make the game whatever they want it to be and we can either adapt and move on or post QQ threads and replies and be miserable with it.

And this is what makes you the perfect little PWE customer. Gives them money, doesn't hold them accountable, and shouts down other players that try to. The game as a service? Do you even read your own arguments? Oh wait, I keep forgetting, you have a reading issue. If someone gives bad service in a service industry most will complain about it, some won't, some will even go up and tell them they did a good job, even when they got spat in their face. As for simply leaving, many already have. I stay because I like the people I'm running with and I like playing my character, that doesn't mean I have any love for the game itself.

Your statement about only focusing on short term profits only betrays your ignorance even futher. PWI isn't an IPod or an operating system (thank god) its a game, and should be compared as such. Yes many gaming companies focus on short term profits, and many newer ones that do this find themselves bankrupt in short order. In fact that focus has been causing trouble across all different mediums as people are getting fed up with the low quality -fast cash methods of many of the Triple A and several indie developers, even established ones. Those developers that still do put effort into their games and care for their IP's still see profit from them, however like with all business risks, those profits can be all over the scale depending on meeting players expectations, some of which can admittedly be ridiculously high. PWI is no different. It's methods of business have left a sour taste in the mouths of many and they have lost many potential customers for other games they could have had. I myself have said I refuse to move on to Neverwinter and many others have as well. That should say something to PWE in and of itself but from the looks of things they don't intend to run Neverwinter any differently

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

they need to do away with the blessings since you know we get 40+ on the s3 and r9 weapons lol...some lame sin with over 60 attack lvls was crying that he/she needed a blessing because the dmg wasnt good enough with the +12 weapon it had..kinda lame right

lordhanzo

all of you, go out and experience the outside world, you all has taken this gaming world waaaayyyyy too seriously like its life threatening or such.

f:faint

Crixxix - Raging Tide

lordhanzo wrote: »

all of you, go out and experience the outside world, you all has taken this gaming world waaaayyyyy too seriously like its life threatening or such.

^ This guy f:laugh Didn't you know? The real world is dead bro, now we all live in Perfect World. f:laugh

As far as the debate between Jadsia and Kiszmet goes, I gotta agree with Kiszmet.

I understand they made phony threats and failed to follow up on them, hence why I said it set a dangerous precedent of allowing cheating. Again, you didn't pay attention to my post. Whether they stated it or not, they shouldn't have made those threats to begin with if they couldn't follow up on them. Anyone in any position of authority knows this. Also there were much better ways to handle the goon glitch than sweeping it under the rug as they did. People even offered suggestions, they were just ignored. As for the instance itself, saying nobody glitches the goons anymore is stupid, because obviously no one is going to glitch them if they don't give exp anymore. If they did I guarantee powerlevel squads would be trying to rake it in. The quest you mentioned is still there and yes people can still run it- if they want an outdated weapon- a flawless gemstone- or 100 perfect stones. I do full runs when I can, but the sad reality is most just don't care and would rather run it for the headroom exp.

PWI definitely has a habit of taking the quick and easy way out of any and all problems. Only recently has this begun to change, and only thanks to v4liance. However, I'd like to address the time before he came into the picture.

I feel that PWI was just simply lazy. Instead of updating their anticheating software, they just went and changed the values of the DQ prices. Same goes for goons. Instead of finding a way to catch people who abused the glitch, they dropped exp to an insanely low rate. What does this result in?

Think of it like this. If you take a monkey and dress it in a tuxedo, you still have a monkey. Granted, it's a step up, but it doesn't change the core of it's existence. It's still a damn monkey. A comical and humorous way to think of it, but still true. That being said, if you have a glitch appear, go in and change everything around, offer something different while failing to fix the problem, you still have a problem.

PWE's investor FAQ claims:


6. What are the core competencies / competitive advantages?

We believe that the following competitive strengths contribute to our success and differentiate us from our competitors:

• Leading market position in 3D online games in China;
• Powerful technology capabilities, consisting of proprietary game engines, powerful game development platforms, flexible hardware requirements and anti-cheating expertise;

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The above PWE quote is taken from: http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/invest_faq.html

If they have anti-cheating expertise, you sure as hell could of fooled me. I have to agree that this did kind of set the bar for how far PWI is willing to go, as far as issuing bans. No, it isn't right for them to ban people who put in honest effort, but as Kiszmet said, they shouldn't have made the threats if they didn't intend to make good on said threats.

PWI needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If you keep removing content in order to solve their problems, then all they are going to have is a huge world that is half broken. Doesn't sound very perfect to me at all, sounds like it's pretty flawed. Truth be told, this is the point we're at anyway, but I just stick around for the lulz f:laugh

Nenor - Dreamweaver

Anyone remember that anti-botting feature they tried to add to the game a few years back? You know, the one that would pop up with the weird multiple answer thingy that no one could do, and if you didn't choose the right answer it auto kicked/banned you from the game? I was so happy to see that one go. That was an epic fail. b:surrender

Decus - Dreamweaver

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Anyone remember that anti-botting feature they tried to add to the game a few years back? You know, the one that would pop up with the weird multiple answer thingy that no one could do, and if you didn't choose the right answer it auto kicked/banned you from the game? I was so happy to see that one go. That was an epic fail. b:surrender

Yea, back when RT first started.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I wasn't aware hercules had been nerfed. How was it nerfed?

In the first year it got it's base defense reduced. Late in the second year, or early third it got it's attack diminished. (It's pretty sad when a level 80 Glacial walker can out-DD a 100 Herc. Yes, this is true, I've tested it and have hard data to back it up too.) The Nix has also gone through some similar changes, although it did truly have a skill that was not functioning as it should have in PvP.

In the past 6 months, pets in general have had some overall change that affects them inside of instances. (i.e. my Kowlin at 97, takes almost the same about of damage now in FB79 as it did way back at level 80, before this recent change.) I'm still testing this and working on developing hard data from client and server files. Oddly though, out in the real worls I am not seeing a change, it's only appearing inside of instances. I'm leaning towards a change in att/def levels versus certain mobs, but it's just a theory at this point. I need more free time to investigate =P

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

As far as the game content is concerned, the good stuff is nice, the bad stuff i just shrug off. Because most of it is not like they can actually change stuff without china's consent or something. This is technically a foreign game.

The customer service could do a little better. Such things that are within their changing grasp. Especially when it comes to judgement regarding TW rules, since that is still the biggest even in PWI. I wish they could put a little more thought into what sorts of people are actually sending tickets and if the tickets themselves seem fishy or abusive...

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

mrqwertyty wrote: »

hmm, 4 months to address a "solution" ? do you really think it's a coincidence that in the same day when they nerfed the exp, they also released recast r8 and r9 ? Do you really think that "goonz" was a glich ? I honestly, don't think so.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most you have said, but don't put fc glich in here, as that was the moment when pwi really started to die. It was intended to have as many lvls 100 as possible.

This.
OP is heavily mistaken. All "fix" what he mentioned was done loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time after they have been discovered or mentioned. They haven't been able to do fast fixes that's what killed PWI. Even today they failure in many things.

nixop

i still laugh my *** off seeing people telling pwi couldnt ever do anything without china permission


thats exactly the reason why pwi had third recast before them and its even different from one they have


pwi can do exceptions only when it comes to earning a lot of $$
(like those few people on each server that bought third recast when it came out)

people that are still playing wont agree but the game is dead for a while
there is nothing worth to do on daily base except BH and AEU (and even that became boring)

servers became villages where people know eachother almost like in RL
only times servers are alive is during weekend in NW and TW

i dont play the game since i got full third recast (wich it took just few x2 and no real money)

pwi this days is pretty much the same as private servers....noobs running around in endgame gears

anyway only Thank You i can say to pwi company is Thank You for ruining the game and makeing many of my friends(and thousands other people) quit )

f:bikef:bike

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

nixop wrote: »

i still laugh my *** off seeing people telling pwi couldnt ever do anything without china permission


thats exactly the reason why pwi had third recast before them and its even different from one they have


pwi can do exceptions only when it comes to earning a lot of $$
(like those few people on each server that bought third recast when it came out)

people that are still playing wont agree but the game is dead for a while
there is nothing worth to do on daily base except BH and AEU (and even that became boring)

servers became villages where people know eachother almost like in RL
only times servers are alive is during weekend in NW and TW

i dont play the game since i got full third recast (wich it took just few x2 and no real money)

pwi this days is pretty much the same as private servers....noobs running around in endgame gears

anyway only Thank You i can say to pwi company is Thank You for ruining the game and makeing many of my friends(and thousands other people) quit )

f:bikef:bike

The China Dev's made those changes for our version specifically because they feel that we're too heavily focused on R9 gear and have a lot more of it on our servers than they do on the CN servers and it's been available there longer. Our version got nerfed because of that, and yes, all of our content comes directly from the China Devs. Our Dev's don't even apply the updates, that's all done remotely from China.

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear

nixop wrote: »

pwi these days is pretty much the same as private servers....noobs running around in endgame gears

+1

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Crixxix - Raging Tide

For one, China can kiss the fattest part of my full moon. If this is how they treat us because we're not in their country, then I'm calling them racists. Honestly, I really have to wonder if they sit and laugh at our version, and think of it as some sick joke. Only recently have a few rays of light shone, a few glimmers of hope for this game.

I think a simple answer is for us all to sign a "Declaration of Independence" type of thing, saying that we refuse to let China call the shots for OUR game. We are our own game, and they are their own. Either they give in to our demands, or we take our issues to their investors, and I don't think that they'd like that.

Yes, PWI has done many wonderful things over the years, but that's just the point. I said "PWI", not "PWCN". I firmly believe that PWI is just as responsible for the great content that we have gotten over the years, even if it's because we inspired the original concepts.

So thank you to all of the honest and true people that work at PWI every day to make this a better place for us all. I'm not talking the ones that follow the same patterns as PWCN, but those that truly left their mark on PWI history, even if no longer employed. You all know deep in your hearts who you people are, as you know if your there solely for a pay check, or if your also there to make not only an awesome game, but an amazing community as well. b:victory

FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary

Waiting for the official announcement where they decided to fire Support Staff 50. Until then, I'm never going to look up to the PWI company.

VKnightV - Lost City

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

As I stated in magenta colored text the main point of the OP's thread is that PWE has responded to the player base. Considering how impossible it is to satisfy everyone they do have tough choices to make and they do end up with some very disgruntled players. What can they do? Really? They can make the game whatever they want it to be and we can either adapt and move on or post QQ threads and replies and be miserable with it.

2008 world map was SMALL what.

back when you did have to quest grind be carefull of pk you saw PPL o every corner of the game of every lv on every damn town.

lol 2008-2009 was when the game was the biggest even with no update it was ALIVE.


you have no clue what your talking about stop posting stupid comment you know nothing about kay.

i would prefer our 3 race 6 classes no bh just fb and quest grind anyday.


original developer knew what a mmo was about pwcn only know how to take our money.

Toliman - Raging Tide

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

2008 world map was SMALL what.

back when you did have to quest grind be carefull of pk you saw PPL o every corner of the game of every lv on every damn town.

lol 2008-2009 was when the game was the biggest even with no update it was ALIVE.


you have no clue what your talking about stop posting stupid comment you know nothing about kay.

i would prefer our 3 race 6 classes no bh just fb and quest grind anyday.


original developer knew what a mmo was about pwcn only know how to take our money.

I am agree with it.

Game's Map is empty now in comparison with 2009 end even 2010 years.

I remember time, when near fb19 cave were few players always, one of them was high level (with level more than 30 but less than 80) to be able help with fb19.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

I am agree with it.

Game's Map is empty now in comparison with 2009 end even 2010 years.

I remember time, when near fb19 cave were few players always, one of them was high level (with level more than 30 but less than 80) to be able help with fb19.

Hell, I have trouble remembering the last time someone asked for help with FB 19 or even any FB before 51/59.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

I've seen WCs for help in FB19 and 29 (and been rejected from FB29 squads because they "got help", not "squad full".)

Crixxix - Raging Tide

FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Waiting for the official announcement where they decided to fire Support Staff 50. Until then, I'm never going to look up to the PWI company.

LOL! Word. b:chuckle

original developer knew what a mmo was about pwcn only know how to take our money.

Wanmei isn't the first company to have rights to PWI.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

LOL! Word. b:chuckle



Wanmei isn't the first company to have rights to PWI.

That's mainly because Wanmei purchased the game from Archosaur Group, who was the original creator and developer of the game. They are the current owners though, and do lease out rights to others to use.

Jadsia - Lost City

I LOL at all this QQ and telling PWE how to run their game and company. Who are you people to demand PWE fire anyone? And who are you to tell them how to develop their game, including fixes to glitches. If you aren't satisfied with the way they develop and run their game then leave it for a better one.

The Goon glitch issue is water under the bridge. The QQ in this thread is from the same people who QQ'd about it a year ago. Why are you people still here if it is still that much of an issue? The person who made those promises to deal with glitchers is gone. Deal with it and move on finally. It's been over a *****g year already.

As I previously stated there has been so much more exp gaining content added since the goon exp was nerfed so there's no real reason to whine about it. Get over it or uninstall.

I agree with the OP.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I LOL at all this QQ and telling PWE how to run their game and company. Who are you people to demand PWE fire anyone? And who are you to tell them how to develop their game, including fixes to glitches. If you aren't satisfied with the way they develop and run their game then leave it for a better one.

The Goon glitch issue is water under the bridge. The QQ in this thread is from the same people who QQ'd about it a year ago. Why are you people still here if it is still that much of an issue? The person who made those promises to deal with glitchers is gone. Deal with it and move on finally. It's been over a *****g year already.

As I previously stated there has been so much more exp gaining content added since the goon exp was nerfed so there's no real reason to whine about it. Get over it or uninstall.

I agree with the OP.

No, what we are doing is called "constructive criticism" (at least most of us). What your doing is QQing over it, trying to make a big deal out of it. Everyone is entitled to free speech, and to their own opinion. So of course you can come back and say that it's us QQing, as you just did, but we can go back and forth all day. I recommend you don't reply to this Jadsia, because we can fill this post all day with text walls, trying to argue. If you do, I'll read over your reply and politely say nothing in response to you.

As for the part about "Get over it or uninstall", I could simply tell you to either go along with us, and help provide ideas for PWI to improve, or GTFO of this thread. We're not trying to hurt PWI's feelings, we simply want to help PWI evolve as a game and a company (PWE).

For us to make demands is pretty justified, as we're also the ones who allow them to keep the game running. After all, without our money, they couldn't continue to exist. They would have no way to pay things such as the electricity bills to keep the servers running (which may be the most important), paying their employees to continue to create new content and maintain the game, and taxes (Boy, gotta love Uncle Sam, eh?).

So yeah, we kinda have the power to make a few suggestions (or as you call them, demands). As far as the "firing support staff 50" comment", it's someone else's opinion. Respect it. Learn to laugh, cause if you ain't laughin, you ain't livin. b:laugh

Decus - Dreamweaver

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I LOL at all this QQ and telling PWE how to run their game and company. Who are you people to demand PWE fire anyone? And who are you to tell them how to develop their game, including fixes to glitches. If you aren't satisfied with the way they develop and run their game then leave it for a better one.

The Goon glitch issue is water under the bridge. The QQ in this thread is from the same people who QQ'd about it a year ago. Why are you people still here if it is still that much of an issue? The person who made those promises to deal with glitchers is gone. Deal with it and move on finally. It's been over a *****g year already.

As I previously stated there has been so much more exp gaining content added since the goon exp was nerfed so there's no real reason to whine about it. Get over it or uninstall.

I agree with the OP.

You remind me of a politician. Never read replies, throw some accusations around, build up straw men, and don't really say anything. Your posts aren't worth the data they take up.

Going to say it again, since you keep skipping over it:

If you, personally, honestly believe that things are rectified and developed at a normal or acceptable pace, then you ought to go play more games to see what it is to have proper management and development.

bluestuffzzz

Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »

I LOL at all this QQ and telling PWE how to run their game and company. Who are you people to demand PWE fire anyone? And who are you to tell them how to develop their game, including fixes to glitches. If you aren't satisfied with the way they develop and run their game then leave it for a better one.

The Goon glitch issue is water under the bridge. The QQ in this thread is from the same people who QQ'd about it a year ago. Why are you people still here if it is still that much of an issue? The person who made those promises to deal with glitchers is gone. Deal with it and move on finally. It's been over a *****g year already.

As I previously stated there has been so much more exp gaining content added since the goon exp was nerfed so there's no real reason to whine about it. Get over it or uninstall.

I agree with the OP.

I remember you from the days when the goon fiasco was happening. If I recall correctly, you were the one that kept hijacking angry threads and spitting out nonsense about how people should either leave the game if they are upset, or take it up the butt and shut up.

Ah, yes. Good times. Shame nothing has really changed here, Jad.