Anyone else sort of miss PLAYING this game?

prof wrote: »

That's really quite simple - there's no content pre-100. There's no real gear, there's no real fun. The game doesn't start until 90, and even at 90, you're weak. Most, if not all players, have the mentality that you can't do anything until 100; And, they're right.

I think there's plenty of things to do before lvl100, for someone who's new to this game anyway. The big issue is that there are no people around to use this content with. Everybody powerlevels their alt, some newcomers get dragged to powerleveling and the rest are just high levels already.

PvP has been limited to endgame gear for..the obvious reasons.

I remember I had tons of fun as a new player pre-100 and there was much less content 4 years ago than there is now however...I had a lot of people to play with. Strangers who would squad me and do quests and whatnot with me. Some of them turned out to be good friends.

I think it is an issue mostly caused by the playerbase and how it has developed through the years (sure the company had its hand on it but the playerbase is the one at fault in my opinion.

prof wrote: »

If you're not working to get better gear to pvp, then why are you playing at all?


Pvp is actually obligatory now with the introduction of nw.


For pve, the more skills you use, the more time you waste. This is a very simple concept. If you find enjoyment in wasting time and mana, then good for you.


Most pvpers are casters, or warriors using axes; I don't think any of these people use auto attacking.



Pwi was fun in its closed beta and the first few months afters its release. It was shortly after that the GM's took the initiative of banning many hundreds of players for suspected-exploits, terrible updates started rolling out, and the all around un-tasteful attitude of our community matured.

1) I am not interested in competing with others. Is that hard to accept that not all PWI players are into bashing each others' heads or reaching the top only to QQ around afterwards?
"Slow", "weak", yes, in your vision, if you measure yourself up to others. I think I stated I got no business/interest in that.

2) You are not obligated to do NW. I don't like being repeatedly steamrolled by bored players anyway.
I would have chosen a PvP server otherwise, or rather not have played PWI in the first place if it was forced PvP only (yes, it was one of the requirements for me to join this game)

3) I'm sure RPGs in general must bore you to death, given it's about grinding and following some story.
Ironically enough, this is a MMORPG.
Yes, yes, there is not really a story in PWI, that's right.
A game is also made to waste time.

4) Shortcuts to reach the top, assistance via cash (when it applies) and packs, mindless battling ways and narrow-minded/robotic ways of playing still.

5) I think the GMs were too lenient on the contrary. Just check world chat and FC abuse. The foul gamers act like that because they feel immune, they brag about when they are banned for seven days, even when one of their characters is perma-banned.
Chat filters backfired in a horrible manner, because it was a lazy path to take. FC was shut down but reopened after because powerleveling is now a "way of life" for many.
If you condone such ways of behaving, you are not looking at it the right way.
Imagine if the right measures were taken in sufficiently fast time... It probably would have ended in some sort of dictatorship, but I would rather have that than the ruin of a community we got now (or then this thread would not exist)

In sum: Add more variety to your views. It's just a game. You don't have to follow one way only. If not, you're just trying to preach on me.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think there's plenty of things to do before lvl100, for someone who's new to this game anyway. The big issue is that there are no people around to use this content with. Everybody powerlevels their alt, some newcomers get dragged to powerleveling and the rest are just high levels already.

PvP has been limited to endgame gear for..the obvious reasons.

I remember I had tons of fun as a new player pre-100 and there was much less content 4 years ago than there is now however...I had a lot of people to play with. Strangers who would squad me and do quests and whatnot with me. Some of them turned out to be good friends.

I think it is an issue mostly caused by the playerbase and how it has developed through the years (sure the company had its hand on it but the playerbase is the one at fault in my opinion.

*Please read above when it comes to the player base and its attitude, no need for me to repeat myself, right?* *laughs*

In fact, devs and GMs understood that, but too late and in awkward ways.

BH was made so people would focus even more on teamwork and learn the instance layouts perfectly. The rewards made people dependant and even more greedy.
Hyper stones, lucid quests (I know I have been using them too much) and reflection only made it worse.

Supply stash and low-level free equipment only accelerates the process of leveling up fast and being assisted... but yes, very few people join the game now.

Morai was created to cater on the higher levels. NW, the sandbag ("Illusion of Grandeur", if you did not recognize it) and the Theater of Blood are for the bored PvPers.
Phoenix Valley, on the other hand, seems like being a total failure since players only focus on rewards now, I am not sure about public quests.

"Archosaur Assault" event and its clones are just stale now...

I feel there is indeed a lot of variety now... So much it's headache-inducing. But if people prefer to boost their levels via glitch abuse and open packs in chain, it's up to them.

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

R9rr makes first cast R9 look weak in comparison. R9rr casters can easily solo a 20v1 battle in NW. At gear differences this huge, there really is no point for low level pvp unless you like loosing 20 v 1 or you just want a challenge when your main is too OP. Any low level pvp is overshadowed by this.

You know, I've always wondered what NW would have been like if there were tiers and balanced numbers (a bit like in FPS games... a balanced number in each team) in the whole concept. Add the no-spawn point camping rule to that.

... to read posts which lament "wasting my time" by having to do certain things in the game.

These time wasters ARE the game. If you want instant victory, go back to Super Mario.

Its simple

Some people like to waste their time doing low level quests over and over again with each of there different toons and wish to prevent getting to the boring end game of farming.

Other people like to waste their time farming TT over and over again to get better gears and wish to skip the boring early game after they done it once or twice.

People are different in how they prefer to waste their time. Now can we just live with that please and stop the whine ? This whole discussion that has been going on for years is about the equivalent of the debate if bleu or red is a nicer color.

PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »

There is a vast difference between whining and discussing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E26PHTskO6U

When the discussion has been going on for years in many different forms and context and has just had its climax a week ago, then its whining.

you must have been living under a rock the last weeks because there was no space for anything else on the forums.

prof wrote: »

That's really quite simple - there's no content pre-100. There's no real gear, there's no real fun. The game doesn't start until 90, and even at 90, you're weak. Most, if not all players, have the mentality that you can't do anything until 100; And, they're right.

Even when I started playing this game, all everyone wanted to do was get to cap first. What else would you do? Sure, we did our occasional world pvp around quest areas, and that was lots of fun, but what about new players? All they have is dead zones all over the world. There's no world leveling/questing anymore, because it's depreciated. Not that it matters. If there was a random scrap in the village of the lost, higher geared players would be called on to help defend one side.

So what's the point of leveling slow? Really? Do you all want to go back to the time when it took 15 fish, with miji, to get .1% exp at 90? No? I didn't think so. All lower gear players have to speed through everything to catch up to the current top players, and there's no way to earn gold in-game anymore; how are they going to catch up taking a casual approach?



How do you plan to learn all "subtleties" of every class while doing low level pve, exactly?

When Lost City started, I didn't realize the server was an arms race since it had began. Whoever got to 100 would "win". Four or three months after I started playing in Lost City, which is since the day it opened, I try to join this arms race too...

It may seem like today's acctitude of getting to 100 asap, but the circumstances are completely different. In the past leveling really helped a lot because every level helped you in pve and pk, greatly. Back then, instead of having r9-3, we had high leveled people. And talking about gears, the other reason to level as fast as posible was to be able to DO INSTANCES to FARM YOUR GEAR. But why were we even bothering about levels and gears in Lost City in the 1st place anyway? Because back then there was pvp at any level, it was fun, you would meet a lot of people doing this, and TW was epic.

Now things are very different. There is really no pk a low levels because you can always count with a high level loser that will kill any lowbie pvping. In the old days, the pvp competetion drove all this crazy leveling and gearing. If you have no one to compete with, why then rush it?

Many people who are new to the game and get rushed to 100 suffeer many problems. One is that once they reach level 100 they have no idea about the game. The only instance they know is frost, probably just the big room. They don't know that if you get a rainbow squad you can go to something called TT, and farm some decent gear. Oh that's right, when they reach level, they also have no gear at all. Maybe just npc gear. And of course, those who level to 100 in frost most of the time have no idea about their class. They don't know their skills and how to use them.

If the point of getting to 100 asap was to be competetive then being moneyless, without general knowledge of the game, and without any gear won't help at all for the cause. And if getting to 100 was to get to the "real" content of the game, these people will not be ready for it.

If it's an instance they want to do, they will need to learn their class 1st, and learn to play in team, and most important of all: learn to be authonomous...

If it is NW... poof, they are gonna be hopless: fighting without skills and gear. The other day a friend of mine and I, who are both r9-3, were able to win a 20vs3 battle because a level 83 cleric was rebuffing us, and puryfing. That cleric didn't have a great level, nor the gear, but he knows how to play.

So, if you are not prepared for level 100, it could be as boring as being in the lower levels, and maybe even more frustating because at 100 you can get stucked. Lower levels have so much to do, and can't get stucked unless they need to kill a boss for a culti.

I understand why alts want to skip all this 1-99 thing. It could be because they want to reroll a new main. These people have all the basic knowledge from the game and will just need to learn the specfics about their new class. For whatever reason it may be, but when they accidently shut down frost I was hoping this would create like separete community of low levels that would give new life to all. Too bad this didn't reall happen.