Anyone else sort of miss PLAYING this game?

PhantomThief - Archosaur

Its all rush rush rush, lets do everything as fast as physically possible. Its always been this way to a degree, but in the last year or so, its just gotten so much worse.

Its not even the "LF 5aps RR9 sin + Demon HF BM + sage amp veno for BH abba" that's getting annoying. Its the inability to play this game with squads your own level, at lower levels.

I have quiet a few alts and enjoy playing them from time to time because they are fun to play, not because i want them 100 over night. It has gotten to the point that every single time i try to get a bh29-79 going my squad ends up with a level 100 person rushing us through it.

Even if i do somehow get a few people in a squad around the right level for the bh, and they find out there ISNT a level 100 coming, they leave because its "going to take too long"

Sigh.

Am i weird or something?

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

You're not weird for wanting to actually play the game instead of rushing through. b:cute

I'm with you there, which is why I've always got some alt or another at some level or another.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

You're not weird OP, and I actually agree with you.
Everything's all about speed...not many want to sit down and just enjoy the game and its content is treated like a chore to be worked through as fast as possible.

And then playerscomplain that they're bored of it all when they rush through everything and get to 100...

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Lol. I got friends that leveled past 100 and now all they do is bug me wanting to do my stuff for me cause they are bored. Or they spend all their time afk in front of west arch where people are pking each other.

I like playing the game. The dungeons were the best part. If you run through them, you are missing out. Like goofing around in the cages in fb39 or fb59 or taking screenshots in the lava. Its fun. Cant do that if you are rushing through.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

I miss playing the game with others.

I'm mostly afraid of joining squads because of my class(when they say "pm class" I dont bother) and everyone's rush rush attitude. Yeah basically I feel I need to be a sin if I want to be worthy of the company of other players. Therefore I've solo'd for the last 2 years, well a few months if you count the breaks I took in between.

The rare times I have played with others, were with some rude people with high standards.

I like playing the game though. I don't mind doing all the early quests again and whatnot, but yeah, times have changed.

Times like this, I wish faction mates would actually try to do things together.

ponyduck

The game used to be so much fun back then because the players believed
the objective of the game was to PLAY it--experience all the different
aspects of it, experiment with skills, socialize. Now a player's objective
is strictly to get to end game as fast as possible. WHY they want that has
always been a mystery to me.

Back then, it was much more leisurely and laid-back. And I have to say it--
the general population just seemed much more mature. It showed in so many
ways: in chat, in attitudes, even in something as simple & basic as naming
their chars!

We'd spend an hour just doing fb39--like you said, we'd stop at
times & talk, fool around, etc. Deaths & entire squad wipes were
actually EXPECTED for most runs, especially when you were there for
the first time. And it was FUN. People now get angry if their charm
ticks, or if a run takes more than 5 min. Players used to be civil to
each other, had more patience, just didn't seem so SERIOUS as they are now.
The tantrum-throwing a**hole was actually a rarity.

And to the people who think getting to high level with good gear would be
nigh impossible without all the changes PWI has made--I made it to lvl 101
with fully sharded +10 nv gear BEFORE the goon glitch and BEFORE r9. It
took me 3 years. And I had a tremendous amount of fun doing it.

I would enjoy this game all over again if they would take away all the
level-enhancing mechanisms, and get a huge influx of brand new players.
Questing was fun for me--when you could go out needing 60 Tauroxes or
whatever, and find half a dozen other players already there also needing
the same thing. Randomly squadding up and getting the thing done. Even
though I've done it all before, it would still be fun for me to do again.

I often wish they would move the current game & all 90+ chars over to a
new server, let them continue their quest for uber-ness over there, then
revert the game back to what it was at least 2-3 years ago for the rest
of us.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

You're not weird for thinking that way. Personally though, I've already leveled two characters to a decent level the regular way. I wouldn't want to do it again.

I'm a PvP person. If I level any more alts, its going to be for pvp purposes. Unfortunately, pvp is really only noteworthy at 100+, so I would prefer to rush to 100 as soon as I can. PvE does not really hold my interest.

However, this doesn't meant that I don't socialize or anything. I spend plenty of time messing around in full warsongs and AEU. It just means that my ingame goal is PvP, and not PvE, so I would not create a new character just to do low level instances.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I do feel the same. A lot of people are rushing through the game's content, rush to endgame, rush to gear up, skip everything and then...there's nothing left to do.

However, I think that if you really want to enjoy the game you gotta find a few people who feel the same way as you do and play the game as it's meant to be without being affected by the rest of the playerbase.

I'm sure there are plenty of people like that in the game still and there has to be a faction out there you focuses on things like these

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

PWI doesn't advocate 'playing' the game anymore it advocates Frost City and Powerful Rank 9 armor and it should if it advocates selling power, this is exactly what it should do, put everything in the cash shop and be done with it. Because this is what it supports. b:laugh

There is no playing and having fun anymore its just this

Oh and this video is just propaganda. Guild Bases were lack luster and guild wars or fighting over guild bases never came along (see what I did there) never really had any sort of impact. Territory War is still a joke and dominated by the top guilds.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

The game is old, tired, and worn out. When the vast majority of players go from questing, enjoying content, and create a viable community, and in turn, switch to the race to the top, with bad attitudes, something is wrong.

Either the game devs are not making the game fun, or the player base is bored out of its skull, and the only thing left for the player to do is think they have some sort of accomplishment by representing themselves as gods. When in fact, in the end, when the plug is pulled, they go back to being themselves, with lighter pockets, and nothing to show for it.

The devs have focused their resources on end game, and sadly, this is shooting themselves in the foot. It's pure and simple greed and a lot of the shrinking playerbase has fallen for the snake oil salesman.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

I agree with that, but at this point, no amount of changes to the early game will have some kind of positive affect.

Kniraven - Lost City

They could bring this whole game back to life by limiting the use of hypers to 85+ and adding some competitive low level content.

Hypers have rendered all the rest of their content useless. Sure there'd be some major whining but it would be for the over all health and longevity of the game.

If they leave it how it is, it's just going to continue degrading the same way. Something needs to change, and the ridiculous power leveling needs to stop.

Crimson_Moon - Momaganon

It's all about people and their need of feeling "pr0": if a monkey sees another monkey hitting a coconut with a rock, it wants to do the same with a bigger rock.
You can do bh delta without bp or a seeker.
You can do the other BHs without 5 aps/demon HF/sage amp, just that you need a little bit more time and not so brain dead squad mates.
Maybe it's because there are fewer players on my server, but this mentality of "do it fast" is less present here (except maybe big TW factions).
Best solution to this is to make your own squads, so you don't have to take anyone's ****.

Longknife - Harshlands

PhantomThief - Archosaur wrote: »

Am i weird or something?

Not only that, you're a sin too. Get away from me, weirdo!

Colum - Raging Tide

I agree with OP by all means.

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

Hummm I think there are a few deffinitions of how people "play" this game. As the OP stated one way to play this game is by doing all the content. I have a seeker, psy, sin, barb, cleric, archer, mystic, wiz, and bm. I made them all so I can check out the other starting areas and quest chains. I like seeing how the content is played out by the other classes and races. Another way to play the game is to power level, get high end gear and pk. Some people find the quests boring and repetitive so they chose to power level to get to end game pk. Neither way to play this game is wrong, it's personal prefrence. Now the case has been made that power leveling has hurt the game, and I agree, but that's not PWIs business model. They make the most money by selling power so most people went that way. Would I love it if they made fc 85+ to hyper only? Yes. Will PWI nerf their own profit margin by doing this? No. So while I am in the OPs camp that doing the content is enjoyable and how this game should be played, I can't fault the power levelers. PWI gave them the option and they took it, it's as simple as that.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm mostly afraid of joining squads because of my class(when they say "pm class" I dont bother)

Aw, you shouldn't let that deter you. Sure, there are lame people out there that only want sins and BMs, but some of us say "PM class" because we have 4-5 spots but know that we have to reserve one for cleric and one for tank. Personally, aside from those two spots, I most of the time pick the classes that have a harder time getting invites because I know what that is like.

And yeah, I also dislike the squads that rush everything and much prefer at level squads for my lower alts. That's partly why I also play so many alts, and never use hypers... I'd get bored if all of them were 100+.

Liveena - Heavens Tear

I'm agree with OP.

I can understand low lvl frustration in getting a full squad for bh. When someone asking me to do lower bh (69 and below), I asked them to try in getting a squad first, and if he can't find one, then I will help.

I also find that some people are just lazy and want the easy fast way, just like bh abba cleared to boss or do spawn kill at warsong. I even see some people selling service like bh lunar cleared to bh boss or EoD boss.

Personally, I prefer doing bh normally with the mobs killing involved, no matter how long it took, because I find it more fun that way, especially with good team work.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

I don't even really play much, just do NW and morai quests for my skills. Haven't even been TT farming in years, just no interest in it.

The gears kind of killed alot of the interest. I liked when OHT G13 was the goal to shoot for end game gear, there was a decent level of balance in the gear choices and classes. Since then, it's pigeon-holeing the heck out of most classes in what to get, BMs have gone from 4 weapon to 1 weapon at end game basically. Makes the idea of wasting time to farm to get gear that the game content doesn't even require seem kinda stupid, really.

As for the "not wanting to level alts again", get real. Even in 2008, it was easy to lvl alts without even playing them. All you needed to do was quest them up to lvl 30, then use the money your main got from grinding and cube runs to buy lots of cheapy stones. CS quest the alts, while you're AFK those 10 mins. Done. I had lvl 60 wizzie, archer, veno without them stepping foot outside of Arch since lvl 30 in less than 2 months. If people weren't bright enough to figure that out before hypers came about, would serve em right to have to level them the hard way.

(lvl 60 was due to that being when the CS stone required went to the next tier. Could have kept going, but they were leveled just in case I felt like playing the class later.)

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

How about if all the people QQing here would come together and do what you all say you want to do. How about all make a new account so you are on one server with likeminded people ?

Now dont start answering about what lvl 100 chars you have on a different server that you dont want to leave behind. You want to play the game, do the quest, not be rushed. So there is absolutely no reason you need those lvl 100 chars.

And then, when you done that and got a few dozen players doing the low level quests together on one server, we can start directing all newbies to that server. This one server will be heaven.

Stop QQing, start playing the way you want to play. b:victory

BTW, before reading that line below my character name and taking offence because you interpret my post as mockery; yes it may be a little of that, but still i honestly think this may be worth considering.

Azura - Lost City

I don't understand why some new players want to get to level 100 asap either. Unless you have a lot of money, there isn't anything really good at 100, specially if you were baby-frosted.

For alts I understand why they may want to skip all this, but for new players? Why? Why not just enjoy the game at your own pace?

Evalria - Sanctuary

I wholeheartedly agree with you, OP.

I've recently returned to the PWI world beginning anew with the class I've always loved, seeking to have fun and enjoy the wonderful visuals and techniques of the game.

Although I do enjoy some of the changes they made, i.e. getting rewards when you've completed a certain amount of quests and the Dreamchaser packs as well as the new form for my class (which I look forward to, but I won't rush into lv 100 just for it) all the rest is just...
Yeah. Like you said, miss the old times.

Back when squads took their time and had fun, when having wine for an instance was not mandatory, when quest areas were filled with people and when I could find people my level to do BHs with.

I don't want to be a jerk now and begin a biased vendetta against level 100s who offer to help you, because sometimes that is actually nice and some are really fun people to be around. ;(

... Alas, whilst some changes are pretty good for the game, some are not, but there's nothing we can do.
As long as there will still be people left to try and enjoy it and have fun and also try to see a silver lining in all of it, then we are good.

In my opinion, when you reach the point where you find no joy in being in the game, when you're bored all the time with nothing to do, no people to properly communicate with and all in all this place becomes stress for you, it is best to lay back and find something else to do with your free time.
Because the constant complain fest going on everywhere kills it as well, not just the changes.

My two cents.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear

Yep the OP is right,guess I'm greatfull for being able to play the game when it was in its actual state to play the right way.Now everything is ran for money and people with a hidden agenda if they do help.Im getting bored because I mainly do bh's on my alts and maybe help some on their bh's and other **** but by then I'm blown out....I think I'm actually going to take a break from this game starting today.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Hiya, nice topic of discussion you got there.

It's true that always being nostalgic won't do good, especially because PWI had changed for good. But again, you've got to compare between the past and the present so you have a vision for the future choices you may make.

I have never done a BH, nor got FC powerleveled... I knew these would be fun-stoppers.
It's fine to cap, but only if you have the proper resources and have learned all of the subtleties of a class.

Besides, I have created many characters and I switch from one to the other when I feel like it. It's always better than, like the others said before, artificially jump to lv 100 in a week, then get bored with a shell of a character at Archo West Gate.
(I did hear about the latter of a practice when the Earthguard expansion was launched -these guys would then have no need of new territories, new NPCs, new monsters, new stories... Only weapon types and skills would be enough for them)

In fact what annoys me the most are the idiots who think they can do as they please, as being rude and perverted but also acting all superior and very picky because they reached the ceiling with a rocket on their back and/or spent a good bunch of thousands of bucks into the game. It was much nicer, more simple back then.

As for now, the more incompetent ones sabotage squads because they did not take the time to train enough, the rushers get punished for not knowing enough about delayed rewards.

In sum, I just play my way (about all of the time in solo), enjoy my kind-hearted faction, take my progression into the game in a slow and steady way and thus have no regrets in the long term.

prof

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I don't understand why some new players want to get to level 100 asap either.

That's really quite simple - there's no content pre-100. There's no real gear, there's no real fun. The game doesn't start until 90, and even at 90, you're weak. Most, if not all players, have the mentality that you can't do anything until 100; And, they're right.

Even when I started playing this game, all everyone wanted to do was get to cap first. What else would you do? Sure, we did our occasional world pvp around quest areas, and that was lots of fun, but what about new players? All they have is dead zones all over the world. There's no world leveling/questing anymore, because it's depreciated. Not that it matters. If there was a random scrap in the village of the lost, higher geared players would be called on to help defend one side.

So what's the point of leveling slow? Really? Do you all want to go back to the time when it took 15 fish, with miji, to get .1% exp at 90? No? I didn't think so. All lower gear players have to speed through everything to catch up to the current top players, and there's no way to earn gold in-game anymore; how are they going to catch up taking a casual approach?

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's fine to cap, but only if you have the proper resources and have learned all of the subtleties of a class.

How do you plan to learn all "subtleties" of every class while doing low level pve, exactly?

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

How do you plan to learn all "subtleties" of every class while doing low level pve, exactly?

Act like a tactician, learn about true survival (use charms as a last resort), rely on yourself alone when no one is there to help you. Know about the best way to beat monsters, be them magical or physical (or both), know about ranges, use properly leveled skills in the most clever way, slowly get the most functional equipment around... It's better than rush your way, blindly slashing away or lightning-fast boxing (hey, it's not a boxing game) all of the mobs and other PKers around, no?

Need I say more?

Oh and yes, every class is unique, knowing a wizard and a psychic are kind of different will only be better in the long run.

prof

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Act like a tactician, learn about true survival (use charms as a last resort), rely on yourself alone when no one is there to help you. Know about the best way to beat monsters, be them magical or physical (or both), know about ranges, use properly leveled skills in the most clever way, slowly get the most functional equipment around...

Need I say more?

No. If you had said "Aeolian > normal attack until monster dies", it would've made more sense. There is nothing to low level pve(there's nothing to even high level pve). This is a pvp game, and you're not going to learn to pvp killing monsters.

Not that you can learn to properly pvp anymore anyway. This game has stepped away from "clever skill use" and actual skill to whomever can press their buttons faster.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh and yes, every class is unique, knowing a wizard and a psychic are kind of different will only be better in the long run.

This is just silly babbling. The only unique classes are the original 6 - the 4 released after are hybrids of the previous 6. A psychic is little more than a mage and a healer hybrid with less attacks, worthless heals, and an aoe purify+stun.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

No. If you had said "Aeolian > normal attack until monster dies", it would've made more sense. There is nothing to low level pve(there's nothing to even high level pve). This is a pvp game, and you're not going to learn to pvp killing monsters.

Then what does one make of those who don't PvP?
Are they...not playing the game then? Pfft.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

prof wrote: »

No. If you had said "Aeolian > normal attack until monster dies", it would've made more sense. There is nothing to low level pve(there's nothing to even high level pve). This is a pvp game, and you're not going to learn to pvp killing monsters.

Not that you can learn to properly pvp anymore anyway. This game has stepped away from "clever skill use" and actual skill to whomever can press their buttons faster.

Oh please, it's a PvP game only if you want it. I also never said I wanted to bump my head into the glass ceiling or achieve anything. If I wanted to, I would have done it already.
It's not a matter of challenge... It's just that not everyone wants to follow the paths a few deem "obligatory". I am not a sheep, you know.

And then you discard all of the other BM skills? It up to you, man. I'd say, there are different ways to experience the game. Too many forgot about that.

"Press buttons faster"? Nah, it's worse than that, it's a matter of clicking once and waiting that the auto-attack ends. Utterly mindless manner of playing a MMORPG, if you ask me. There is nothing worth bragging about when it ends to this.

prof wrote: »

This is just silly babbling. The only unique classes are the original 6 - the 4 released after are hybrids of the previous 6. A psychic is little more than a mage and a healer hybrid with less attacks, worthless heals, and an aoe purify+stun.

In fact, you may be right on that... It's really difficult to create more unique classes besides the tanker, the damage dealer, the nuker and the healer... be them ranged or melee, magical or physical, summoners or not... That is why some games have only four classes to choose from (and subsequent branches to keep some attention around).

Blame the devs on that. I've tried to put some reason on why playing all classes could be fun, but if you discard that, there is no way I can show you how you can have fun in PWI.

Don't just live on hard cold facts, man... Try to find pleasure in a game... That is what they are supposed to be created for! (besides creating revenues for their makers, that is)

prof

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Then what does one make of those who don't PvP?
Are they...not playing the game then? Pfft.

If you're not working to get better gear to pvp, then why are you playing at all?

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh please, it's a PvP game only if you want it. I also never said I wanted to bump my head into the glass ceiling or achieve anything. If I wanted to, I would have done it already.
It's not a matter of challenge... It's just that not everyone wants to follow the paths a few deem "obligatory". I am not a sheep, you know.

Pvp is actually obligatory now with the introduction of nw.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And then you discard all of the other BM skills? It up to you, man. I'd say, there are different ways to experience the game. Too many forgot about that.

For pve, the more skills you use, the more time you waste. This is a very simple concept. If you find enjoyment in wasting time and mana, then good for you.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"Press buttons faster"? Nah, it's worse than that, it's a matter of clicking once and waiting that the auto-attack ends. Utterly mindless manner of playing a MMORPG, if you ask me. There is nothing worth bragging about when it ends to this.

Most pvpers are casters, or warriors using axes; I don't think any of these people use auto attacking.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

there is no way I can show you how you can have fun in PWI.

Pwi was fun in its closed beta and the first few months afters its release. It was shortly after that the GM's took the initiative of banning many hundreds of players for suspected-exploits, terrible updates started rolling out, and the all around un-tasteful attitude of our community matured.

Kniraven - Lost City

prof wrote: »

That's really quite simple - there's no content pre-100. There's no real gear, there's no real fun. The game doesn't start until 90, and even at 90, you're weak. Most, if not all players, have the mentality that you can't do anything until 100; And, they're right.

Even when I started playing this game, all everyone wanted to do was get to cap first. What else would you do? Sure, we did our occasional world pvp around quest areas, and that was lots of fun, but what about new players? All they have is dead zones all over the world. There's no world leveling/questing anymore, because it's depreciated. Not that it matters. If there was a random scrap in the village of the lost, higher geared players would be called on to help defend one side.

So what's the point of leveling slow? Really? Do you all want to go back to the time when it took 15 fish, with miji, to get .1% exp at 90? No? I didn't think so. All lower gear players have to speed through everything to catch up to the current top players, and there's no way to earn gold in-game anymore; how are they going to catch up taking a casual approach?



How do you plan to learn all "subtleties" of every class while doing low level pve, exactly?

Power leveling is the reason those areas are dead zones.
Content? In fb 19 you find the first quest you can't solo.
In fb29 you fight your first large group of ranged mobs and mdmg boss.
39 is your first instance with multiple paths and bosses.
PvP is completely different every dozen levels or so with different set ups and builds being superior as different kinds of adds emerge.
At just 7x there is a tier'd pvp instance with rewards every Thursday. Where only other 7x can compete. Same thing with 8x.

And let's not forget the entire point of an mmorpg genre game, the defining quality that makes it by definition what it is; interacting with, exploring with, and immersing yourself with the world and its players. You think it should be a neutral and overlooked thing when players opt to skip the entirety of the games content. I do not. People of your mind set are blindly destroying this game and poisoning it for the majority. Many of you are even ruining the game for yourselves without realizing it.

You don't understand the implications of the things that you are saying, or realize how many of this games issues as far as economy, community, playtime, game longevity, and content tier imbalance stem from this.

Additionally, i am abashed by this post. I've been reading your posts on these forums for yeeeeeeaarrrs. You're more intelligent than that... Perhaps you've just adopted a defeatist attitude. You played this game before half of todays content existed.