Warsong Rules For Runs

sakit wrote: »

or ppl just pick and couldn't care less - greed is a powerful motivator -

^- That :<
Can't tell you how many times I've been unable to get my arcane molds because people don't care if I said I needed it and pick it anyway.

So, I agree as well. Getting frustrating not being able to get what I'm trying to farm because of some greedy people regardless if they actually need it or not, over..and over.

I need a full set of HA gear and a weapon for my seeker and later on bm to share. I'm fairly new to doing full warsongs, so I usually only claim either weapon or armor molds if no one needs them. A couple of days ago I asked for Astral Ballad/Infinity's Longing and any HA molds that drop (all the HA people except the bm in squad were already full s3 nirvana). The bm was afk half the time at bosses and sat out while everyone defended (his friend was taking him on his first run for fun and he said he didn't want any molds at first). 3 HA parts and Traceless Dimension dropped. Guess who got them all. ._.

Why aren't people just bidding on molds ahead of time? b:question

so I usually get nominated banker in the squads I'm in .. sure most of the people in the squads I have run with too many times that I know what they are hunting for - however that being said if there's 1 or more not so frequent runners or complete randoms I ask all before we start who wants what, that way as banker when I pick up to drop npc coin I don't get people yelling at me that they needed it. Now if there lists are long we perhaps suggest they focus it or if someone else only needs 1 item that someone has on a laundry list the person only needing the 1 mold would usually get ... usually it all works out well sometimes if someone spent the entire run dying at every boss making us hold and also going AFK to while we clear all the mobs they may be disappointed that they are not in the running for that mold they wanted and the secondary claim to it that actually was in there helping gets it.

All in all it can be done to everyones satisfaction generally, we've been known to call friends in to come get their R9 molds if no one needs in squad just so it doesn't go to waste (but I do hear random squads can turn into mold grabs). suggestion work those friends lists - get to know good peeps and stick with them.

MesmerizeYou - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've lost my dagger mold twice to other sins in the squad, even tho I had a claim on it. Both times, both of those sins were from the same faction. Sadly they pretend to not understand English and get away with it.
I've passed on the mold too many times now coz someone had a claim, but when it came to my turn...someone else took it. I gaveup on doing warsongs after it happened the second time.

Either your server sucks or youve been really unlucky. I myself actually got my N3 dagger mold from faction, they were doing run, it dropped, none needed and I happened to be on vent with em. But Ive also seen several of them drop, got 2nd mold at some point to sell after none else needed it.

As for most annoying players to run WS? The ones who QQ bout sellers but are simply too lazy to do it themselves. They *****, complain and treat you like they deserve part of your profits. Eww, just no. Nobody is preventing those whiners from selling N3 gear but they feel cause they are too lazy/whatever nobody else should either. And I by no means am defending ***** who abuse squads, need before greed, you just wouldnt believe they entitlement some people feel.

Warsong Mold if they was tradable & can be sold to another player is the max pwi would do about the molds.

I like those rules, although I'd amend it and say that, for calling molds, you should only be able to call one at a time. Saying, "I need all HA NV molds" is kind of lame, and not really fair if somebody else also needs HA NV molds but joined squad afterwards. And I think if somebody wants molds in order to sell crafting service, or to craft gear for profit, they shouldn't be able to call it and should only get it if nobody else needs it, or split it fairly if others want to use it for profit, too.

royalchief wrote: »

So I came up with the next "Rules" or maybe not rules just ideas, and they can be assigned by anybody who wants a fair run for everybody else:
RoyalChief

Rule One (the only one that matters): Two fail defends and I am out.

royalchief wrote: »

3. Class Priority must be respected, that means, for example, if a barb comes and he needs axes for his own usage, and we even see the weapon he has is ready to be upgraded to G16, that's more important than our own business.b:mischievous

I didn't think Royal spoke English, lol.

I agree with all except this one. I spent a long time LF my daggers. I let 5 or 6 friends pickup other daggers first because I was focussing on badges for other gear and didn't have badges saved up for my daggers yet. When I was finally ready, with 100 badges saved up to craft and reroll twice, I couldn't find them or when I did someone grabbed them.

So I was LF Warsongs wherever I could get them. Sometimes we'd have trouble finding a barb but have plenty of sins so I'd switch to my barb. Sometimes we couldn't find a cleric and the option was spend 20 minutes LF a cleric or me switching. Sometimes the BM that would join would have 6k hp and almost no dd, but they'd have an r9 sin alt so I'd BM and they'd sin even though I needed daggers and they needed BM gear.

Regardless I'd start each run, and say everytime I was asked "I just need vana daggers. Daggers daggers daggers."

Sometimes this would create the argument "But I'm the sin, I get first dibs" with another sin. Since I either created the squad or was friends with lead I'd offer to switch to sin and that sin could be kicked and find another squad, but then they'd need to find a cleric.

Class shouldn't dictate priority if people are only LF a single mold. And by now, months after its been released, almost everyone should have all the molds but 1 or 2 that they need.

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One other thing to consider are the people who sell crafting services that want the weapon for themselves. Alot of those weapons can be sold in WC for a pickup service for 5-10m. That's more fair to the whole squad but obviously less fair to them. I think calling 1 weapon is fair, but if no one calls it (like claws) they should first suggest WCing it before someone goes "I'll take."

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

Can't split badges. You'd have to figure out some ratio of cash for each person to get, with the crafter getting majority because of using their badges, essence, and such. Easier to just decide on one person to take it.

I meant more like, if there are multiple people who have extra badges and want to sell service, it should be divided fairly instead of one person taking all of them. I wouldn't expect the profit from selling service to be shared among the squad, but at least give everybody a chance to provide said service instead of picking it up automatically if nobody else needs it.

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

You could have worded it better. If you mean if nobody in squad needs the mold that drops and multiple people want the mold then they should each only take one mold from a different boss, then that's acceptable. Though, the problem with that is bosses don't always drop Nirvana molds. People could get stuck with R9 molds and get upset. There's really no way to put a general set of rules that everyone will obey simply because not everyone is going to want to obey them. All it does is benefit the underhanded people because while everyone thinks you'll all comply that one person isn't going to, and will be able to snatch the mold if that's what they're after.

The best thing to do is run with friends or faction so as to avoid it, or take your chances with randoms.

That's true. I've only done a few WS runs and I've only gotten one mold so far - mind you, it was R9RR weapon mold so I was pretty happy, but overall didn't get much. You're right, though, definitely running with friends or guild is safer for fairness.

I think if you took a mold for profit, you should let somebody else take the next one for profit if somebody else wants it. It should be common respect.

As a general courtesy if I need a mold "just because" I drop its value. For instance I'm running on my BM and AA vana chest drops and I think I still need it for my casters:

"Does anyone need or mind if I grab?"
*waits
"Thanks"
*drop 100k*

I know many people who just grab molds for repair costs or profit.

Have people tried reporting on world chat about stealers/scammers?

If you call a mold and someone takes it, just start spamming world chat. If the rest of your squad agrees, they should jump in. It's 5 vs 1; you should be able to get a little effect.

I agree there need to be some "ground rules". I know someone who bought a weapon mold from world chat; one of his faction members was in the squad selling that was selling it. After he paid and left the faction member who was in the ws squad selling the mold pm'd upset with him because he needed the mold for an alt.... ummm ok? People are getting greedy about it, and want everything that drops, apparently even if it's world chatted for sale....

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

We should go back to the old TT drop rules.

Tanks first, then Healers, then Damage Dealers by level.

Assassins are all three, so they get priority.

Pretty stupid ideas.