Raging Tide's TW state

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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Mechsiao - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The developers heard the players' voices to implement regular tw reset cuz smaller factions dont stand a chance to tw against the giants and the tw map was dominated by one faction for some servers. Now we are asking them to revert back to the old tw mechanics and hope smaller factions grow fast and gain motivation... if that didnt happen when there was no reset, sry it wont happen now either

    Actually, I said two systems - not revert back to the old. And, obviously the plan to get smaller factions to pay even more than during the old system to attempt to bid epicly failed. The guy that made that plan believeable is a heck of a salesman. *giggles*

    It was complaints of bid stacking - big guy TW won out!

    But, you know, IF there is no Easter Bunny, and miracles can't happen...okies.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Adding an alternate Territory War system just isn't a good idea. All it will accomplish is further dividing this server removing the incentive to advance. As Epros said, why should we "promote laziness and unwillingness"? Why would people be willing to work toward end-game when they can take the easy way out and just keep doing the lower level TW? That's going to do nothing for taking out the actual top faction.

    I would also like to address Mechsiao's misconception. Resetting the map every 6 months actually removed the incentive to work toward change. Why bother when you can give a half-assed attempt, and then just wait 6 more months hoping something will change? Why try when, even if you do succeed, you'll only reap the rewards of your labor for a couple of months at best. There were quite a few changes in the regime before that update. Now one faction has held mostly uncontested power for a considerable amount of time. Why? Because they easily get it all back after the 6 month mark rolls around again. Vicious may eventually get bored and disband, but the most anyone on RT can say is that they sat around and waited for it to happen. Where's the glory or sense of accomplishment in that?
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Adding an alternate Territory War system just isn't a good idea. All it will accomplish is further dividing this server removing the incentive to advance. As Epros said, why should we "promote laziness and unwillingness"? Why would people be willing to work toward end-game when they can take the easy way out and just keep doing the lower level TW? That's going to do nothing for taking out the actual top faction.

    I would also like to address Mechsiao's misconception. Resetting the map every 6 months actually removed the incentive to work toward change. Why bother when you can give a half-assed attempt, and then just wait 6 more months hoping something will change? Why try when, even if you do succeed, you'll only reap the rewards of your labor for a couple of months at best. There were quite a few changes in the regime before that update. Now one faction has held mostly uncontested power for a considerable amount of time. Why? Because they easily get it all back after the 6 month mark rolls around again. Vicious may eventually get bored and disband, but the most anyone on RT can say is that they sat around and waited for it to happen. Where's the glory or sense of accomplishment in that?

    Oh okay, keeping things pretty much as they are creates a lot of incentive for small factions to bid.

    Let's examine that...

    "Okay man, we gotta get up 10 to 20 million every weekend to bid on TW."
    "How we gonna do that every weekend, and progress any?"
    "Idk, but the smart guys say there is an incentive in there somewhere - and we have the honor of being rolled and ridiculed on WC by a Top Dog! Doesnt that sound like fun worth bleeding for?"
    "OMG! How exciting! :D"

    Yeah, dont change nothing. They wont revert it back though. If anyone wants to stack (not that its still doable) they will have to do it in 10 Million Notes!

    Somehow expect that to make something progress and create incentive.
  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What's 10mil nowadays, a couple events worth of rewards? Come on.
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    What's 10mil nowadays, a couple events worth of rewards? Come on.

    For a select few in the squad usually.

    You must do very good on Lucidsilver and Lucidgold. b:chuckle

    The game itself sets that tone.
  • Epros - Raging Tide
    Epros - Raging Tide Posts: 1,720 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    there is a lack of any considerable coinsink in the economy and an overabundance of coin being generated. 10 mil is nothing. absolutely nothing. people have this misconception over a numerically large number holding an intrinsically large value. without the coinsink of TW, inflation will take its toll on the server economy until the devs are forced (by the unwillingness of smaller factions because "omg 10mil with an m it must be a lot") to increase TW costs to restore balance. then TW truly WILL be a rich mans game. sit around and cry all you want, i dont care anymore
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  • TruthWarren - Raging Tide
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    It requires common sense and a desire to do it, which are not sentiments that are promoted by Perfect World in its current state. Giving more handouts and encouraging people to play the game on easy mode is not the way to fix it.
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  • Mechsiao - Sanctuary
    Mechsiao - Sanctuary Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    TruthWarren - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Adding an alternate Territory War system just isn't a good idea. All it will accomplish is further dividing this server removing the incentive to advance. As Epros said, why should we "promote laziness and unwillingness"? Why would people be willing to work toward end-game when they can take the easy way out and just keep doing the lower level TW? That's going to do nothing for taking out the actual top faction.

    I would also like to address Mechsiao's misconception. Resetting the map every 6 months actually removed the incentive to work toward change. Why bother when you can give a half-assed attempt, and then just wait 6 more months hoping something will change? Why try when, even if you do succeed, you'll only reap the rewards of your labor for a couple of months at best. There were quite a few changes in the regime before that update. Now one faction has held mostly uncontested power for a considerable amount of time. Why? Because they easily get it all back after the 6 month mark rolls around again. Vicious may eventually get bored and disband, but the most anyone on RT can say is that they sat around and waited for it to happen. Where's the glory or sense of accomplishment in that?

    Actually that was what I meant and what developers did not foresee. The aim was to allow smaller factions to tw without having to create a low lvl tw but it seems at least for our server there is no coalition amongst smaller factions to abuse this new system whereby the top faction could actually be absolved of map dominance by ganking.
  • Mechsiao - Sanctuary
    Mechsiao - Sanctuary Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Ofc that is assumed that smaller factions can field a substantial number of players to beat the towers and defenses but then again it wouldnt work if majority of the less tw active faction are alts lol. Small isnt the right word cuz apparently they have close to 200 members too b:laugh
  • BungaSakura - Raging Tide
    BungaSakura - Raging Tide Posts: 902 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    the amount of TW bidding is 10 mill, 20 mills and so on. But after bidding, gm will refund 90% from amount of coin that we use to bid. so basically for bidding TW its not cost much. unless a faction bids min 100 mills or more.
  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So, the only thing missing would be the incentive. What is it?
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Cake.
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  • Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I would totaly come back if cake was a TW reward.
  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide Posts: 2,216 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I would totaly come back if cake was a TW reward.

    U never left dude, ur more alive than half ur faction.

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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »
    U never left dude, ur more alive than half ur faction.

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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Spell_Caster what is your opinion on cake as an incentive to TW?
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Sweetiebot, what is your opinion on cake as an incentive to tw?
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  • SweetieBot - Lothranis
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    edited March 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sweetiebot, what is your opinion on cake as an incentive to tw?
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  • AriesBreath - Raging Tide
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    edited March 2013
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  • Lecus - Lost City
    Lecus - Lost City Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Lol. :3

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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
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    edited March 2013
    Do it to me too SweetieBot...Plzzzzzzzzzzb:bye
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
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    edited March 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You're more alive than MORE than half you faction because I keel dem all! EHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAEHUAJAJAJAAJAJAKEKEKEKEKEKEK

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  • Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide
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  • Spell_Caster - Raging Tide
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    edited March 2013
    Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Do it to me too SweetieBot...Plzzzzzzzzzzb:bye

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