Do You Believe Spawn Killing Exists in NW?

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

Really, your saying spawn killers lack the ability to make a conscious decision for themselves or that someone is forcing them to spawn camp.

This is the only argument I have heard from people who spawn kill/camp. And this is the exact same excuse serial killers use to absolve themselves of guilt 'Wasn't my fault. They should not have been there. They made me do. They were asking for it...ect' No one believes it when they say it, and no one believes it when you do.

If you are standing in a spawn zone waiting for people to respawn just so you can kill them, it is your fault. You are making the decision to do it, so take responsibility for your actions and stop trying to pawn it off on someone else.

People that spawn kill do it because it's easy, it takes less work and effort. So develop some maturity and just admit to it instead of using sociopathic mentalities to blame someone else for your actions.

I hereby declare that i stand close to enemy's spawn point just to kill them like there's no tomorrow.
So, that way, we don't have to worry about them interfering with our flag carrier. There. Said it

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

Really, your saying spawn killers lack the ability to make a conscious decision for themselves or that someone is forcing them to spawn camp.

This is the only argument I have heard from people who spawn kill/camp. And this is the exact same excuse serial killers use to absolve themselves of guilt 'Wasn't my fault. They should not have been there. They made me do. They were asking for it...ect' No one believes it when they say it, and no one believes it when you do.

If you are standing in a spawn zone waiting for people to respawn just so you can kill them, it is your fault. You are making the decision to do it, so take responsibility for your actions and stop trying to pawn it off on someone else.

People that spawn kill do it because it's easy, it takes less work and effort. So develop some maturity and just admit to it instead of using sociopathic mentalities to blame someone else for your actions.

The difference between this and serial killing is that this is a game whereas serial killing is a real life crime. In this game you have the ability to defend yourself. In real life you may not necessarily have the chance. Sorry, no invincibility in real life. No coming back from the dead either. In a game, my job is to kill you, so if you stand there you're going to die. Its a part of the game mechanics, and both my team, my nation and I benefit from killing you. Your comparison is rather flawed.

Its kinda of pointless to NOT kill someone. They'll still QQ. Thats why i kill whoever now.

it does exist and there is sometimes no escape like when u get half or more of the team to do it its also funny as hell

LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »

Havnt been spawn killed yet

do you die? :L you've always striked me as one of the actually cata barbs with insane hp and defence

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is a joke post, right? Equating a game to reality? Give me a break.

I tab people in spawn points as I pass by. If that makes me a 'spawnkiller' then okay. So be it. Why do I do it? Because the ultimate goal of NW is to win battles. Sure, the flag is what wins the battle, but suppressing the other side is a means to an end. It's not some sociopathic urge to murder other players. Fundamentally, I am here to get points for myself and to help my nation win. Do I think it's boring to sit at a spawn point and 'camp'? Sure, but I don't fault other people for it.

The mechanics of the game allow you uber temporary buffs to your attack and temporary invicibility as well as non-timed buffs to your HP and defense. If you cannot get away in that time, that is your problem. Your inability to survive is not the failing of the 'spawncamper.' You're right, they made a choice to initiate it. So I guess the other side to that is you make a choice to sit there and die?

If you cannot fend off your campers, as I often haven't been able to do, then I run away. Do I always get away? Nope. Do I always succeeded in fending off my attackers? Nope. Do I take it personally? Nope. It's a game. Get over it. If they are swarming you and it's futile. Leave the battle. There is nothing preventing you from doing so and returning later.

Decus - you're a smart guy. I have read a lot of your posts and you're reasoning is pretty much spot on with many things and we often share the same views. However, I think in this instance, your attempts to make the QQing population of this game understand something is in vain unfortunately my friend.
QQers are always going to QQ.
The fact of the matter is theres so much drama llama on these forums over this specific Pvp event because people feel that they are being wronged by rewards offered by the NW event not being handed to them on a silver platter.

There is no such QQ over tournament or ToB.

Does it matter if spawn killing exists?
No. whether it does or doesnt people are not going to change the way they play the game because someone got butthurt and wrote it on the forums. People can say whatever they want about going to NW but we all know the reason its popular is because of the rewards. Because its popular its fun. And im sure this is another reason people attend but again the fundamental reason behind this is because of the reward.

If you cant handle the emotional challenge of accepting that you are simply not good enough at PVP to walk in one direction after dying for a little while so you dont die then i just suggest you dont go to NW.

Dont expect that by posting on the forums or by QQing in pms that we, the evil and murderous blood-lusting "spawn killers", will show you sympathy. Most will just carry on killing and just laugh at you.

Heres a tip. If you're pming me about being spawn killed - this means you're not fighting whether that be in the sense of using skills or moving around the instance for better positioning hence - youre likely to be spawn killed again.

Id's say you need a 3rd option. As someone mentioned b4, the only spawn killing happens when you first enter the instance and hav no immunity. Anything else after is not spawn killing in my opinion.
If you get extra dmg upon comin bak, it's used to kill someone. The immunity runs out after 10ish secs so u can be killed afterwards. People complaining about spawn killing kinda reminds me of people complainin about someone using Expel, just stupid arguements.
The reason the term Spawn Killing exists in PWI is because in TW, rezing bak at the spawn point, u are left helpless and unable to defend urself. Thats the reason its taboo to kill people on a spawn point in TW.

In NW, you dont rez bak helpless, hell u rez back with an advantage of an extra dmg buff. There's no reason for it to b such a horror. Any1 can easily run away from the spawn point itself, if your comp/internet cant allow u to run away, it's ur own fault, this game has system requirements for a reason. If ur complainin about spawn killin because u did run and someone ran after u and killed ya, im sorry to say but all u did was just delayed the inevitable.

If it got to the point of PWI actually doin somethin about spawn killing in NW, maybe somethin like giv everyone that rez's bak a melee sword like u get in Blood Theatre that basically 1 shots or kills urself. And say the sword only stays equiped for a certain area around the spawn point. I dunno, just throwin out ideas xD

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »

10 seconds is not nearly long enough.

NW is headed for it to eventually nolonger be cost efficient with a charm. With hp in the 15k-25k range it takes awhile to fill up. It also takes awhile to self buff even.

If you die with your genie empty and your apoth on cool down and you are not charmed...then you are flat out screwed if a final cast r9 or n3 character is waiting for you at the respawn point. Even if you are charmed for the sake of arguement, if your genie is drained and your apoth is on cd then your still screwed if my final cast wizzy is sitting fully buffed waiting for you to respawn. Thats not to mention that chances are you will respawn with atleast 3 other toons surrounding you.

It is even more unfair if your mellee and your surrounded by ranged attackers just outside your range at the respawn area.

So leave the battle? No one forces you to sit there and tank it.

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Players should respawn somewhere away from the fight

So no one can oppose you while you're running flag amirite?

I often stay at spawn to try and help people get away when getting "spawn" killed. Does this get me killed, yes. Do some of my team mates get away? Yes. I believe this helps them. I also use a tactic where I taunt spawn killers and get them to follow me to the middle. This has been highly effective. I mostly just want to see my team get the most out of the instance. By my class and current gear, I am not going to make a ton of tokens. I leave that farming to my husband. I go for fun and to support him.

The solution that would help most, would be like another PWE title that has a spawn platform. You can't get killed on the platform and if you don't move off the platform in a certain amount of time, you teleport out of instance. This would neatly solve two of the problems that people complain about, afkers and spawn kills.

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you're being spawn camped by r9rr squads and you're r8 or nirvy, then tbh you probably lost anyway even if you weren't spawn camped. It's just the sad truth. There is too much gear difference irregardless.

Pretty much this. If I am able to kill someone after the immunity has run out then I am able to kill them in the middle of the background just as easily. There is plenty of time to self buff yourself and realistically those are the only buffs you get in the middle of a war anyway so if you can't fight back from that point then I can't help you.

I am also sick of people complaining about not having a charm and having to wait to heal up. This was designed as a pk instance and if you complain about not having a charm then that is your decision, please realise that in most cases you wouldn't be able to stand up against anyone anyway. Yes the cost of a charm will now outweigh the profit you could make, but I personally believe if you are just in there for the profit then you could consider making profits elsewhere and stop with the qqing.

Yes spawn point killing does exist, it is a tactic used for a number of reasons. There are ways to avoid it, and noone is forcing anyone to go to NW.

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I personally believe if you are just in there for the profit then you could consider making profits elsewhere and stop with the qqing.

This statement I completely agree with! I go for fun, yes I die quite a bit . . . as I said, I am not geared appropriately yet, but I have a great load of fun. Get out of the spawn point, try some tactics of your own, but most of all try and have fun.

Spawn Killing is a proof that they are afraid of you. They want to kill you while you are weak ''if you dont have hp charm'' but real players fight equally, real player fight like a man. Not like kids, waiting on top of the tree near spawn point and then 1 shot the person who just spawned.

Nature_God - Sanctuary wrote: »

Spawn Killing is a proof that they are afraid of you. They want to kill you while you are weak ''if you dont have hp charm'' but real players fight equally, real player fight like a man. Not like kids, waiting on top of the tree near spawn point and then 1 shot the person who just spawned.

Lol you do realize this is a game, right? What if the player is a girl? Is she supposed to be a man also? =p

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

/QQ yet?

a "real player" plays the most efficient way, and that includes shutting you down before you have the chance to be a nuisance.

holy **** guys you have 12 sec AD just chain it with forti IG and abuse 24 sec immunity

Plus the new update gave people that spawned like a triple sparked increased damage!

I laugh at people say they want a real fight... I mean it's group PVP not a 1v1. It's always unfair in a group PVP zone because sometimes your gonna be outnumbered and if your not with your squad, you WILL get ganked. But personally, people just QQ whatever they want, I had a cleric QQ at me because I saw him about to sleep the flag carrier and I KO him before he can then called me a nub... like wtf?

If you want to PK for real, don't do it in NW. Go 1v1 with someone in the west district.