Do You Believe Spawn Killing Exists in NW?

haywiz

Some say there is no such thing as spawn killing in nation wars.

Some say there is too much spawn killing in nation wars.

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary

haywiz wrote: »

Some say there is no such thing as spawn killing in nation wars.

Some say there is too much spawn killing in nation wars.

What do you think?

me thinx teh goverment is lieing to us b:shocked b:shutup

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

It exist, but it's cause people are enough stupid to stand there waiting doing nothing.

when I die if there's someone waiting here I go kill him while I'm invincible.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

You can't spawn kill unless they let you. You are invincible for 8 seconds or maybe more when you respawn. You also have 1.5 sparks and half buffs. You can only be spawn killed if you stand there as opposed to running away.

Zolor - Harshlands

actually there are several cases where spawn killing occurs and actually effects the outcome of the battle.

The main one is when you first enter a battle and say your team is outnumbered chances are you will find a few people around the spawn points killing all new comers while someone else captures the flag and well since it's your first spawn you have no invincibility buff so you will get killed easily if there are more than two people focusing you and in the mean time the flag carrier can just walk past.

The second scenario is when you are killed and you respawn and you find yourself among 4 of the other nation. Now. Its true they can't damage you for like 12 seconds or so. The question is what do you do ? Do you buff up in those 12 seconds and then attempt to take them on and after killing them all go after the flag ? or do you run out of there to escape ? also if you have no pot ready or speed skill ready you won't get very far and if you spend that 12 seconds running you will be unbuffed at the end and if any of those spawn killers decides to follow you which is not hard to do, you will be defenseless and will probably die....This is all assuming you are not getting spawn camped by level 60's and actually of people of equal or greater gear.

Both these scenarios don't usually happen in 20v20 battles with similar strength on both sides. It happens in those 20v10 or less fights or those 20v20 fights where one side is far stronger than the other. So it basically stacks the odds against the weaker side even more.

Also it doesn't happen that often to me like maybe once per NW or even less, but it might occur more to others or even less.

And also I've been on the spawn killing side and I can happily wait for you to buff up or run or whatever and kill you as soon as your buff ends. But at the end of the day spawn killing happens in a lot of games and battles where one side overpowers the other.

The only options I can see working are if the spawn points were placed further apart or if there were more spawn points, that way even if people were to spawn camp you would see maybe 2 people spawn camping you rather than 4.

OR OR OR !!! give people that respawn the ability to one shot anyone for 5 seconds.....I'd love to see people spawn camp then. b:shocked

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

I voted yes. There is spawn camping, and many don't have computers or internet speeds that allow them time to at least run as far as they can. But even with a fast pc and net, it happens to me from time to time. I just accept it. Or even running, as far as I can, I still get whacked. Ironically, the campers tend to be the squads of high levels with R9 gear and weapons, so camping or not, they will smack me down before I can say "UNCLE!"

I wouldn't mind forking out the cash for max gear and weapons, as I can afford it, but until PWI can take care of and permanently ban the botters and their mains, I won't give PWI another cent. But therein lies the pickle...most of the botters are high level CSers, so doubt PWI will have the balls to do anything.

Sudqi - Sanctuary

today i kill 27 ppl by spawn point battle took like full 20mints and we won but i got only 1.3k points , so its not that good X.X

LaYsDiL - Harshlands

Havnt been spawn killed yet

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary

not rly much to do about it, i sometimes rly can't move within 8 secs because my computer can't handle the amount of ppl and so i lag crazily at that point being spam killed and charm ***** does make me angry b:surrender
oh well nw is still fun so spawn kills dunt worry me that much

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

If someone tries to spawn kill me, I kill them before my invincibility is over and the joke is on them!!

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

I voted yes. There is spawn camping, and many don't have computers or internet speeds that allow them time to at least run as far as they can. But even with a fast pc and net, it happens to me from time to time. I just accept it. Or even running, as far as I can, I still get whacked. Ironically, the campers tend to be the squads of high levels with R9 gear and weapons, so camping or not, they will smack me down before I can say "UNCLE!"

Almost exactly my words :P
It's not about having a fast computer/net or not, I think it's the super high geared char who's spawn killing... Sometimes I can't fly faraway enough and the r9 char who's spawn killing kills me in 1shot.. And obviously I can't kill them right as I spawned ._.

Abelroc - Lost City

Well the one thing I would say is dying should reset cool downs of everything basically its not like you can stay in the battle till its either won or lost if you keep dying so having cooldowns reset if you died wouldn't be anything game breaking especially with pots/charm as well as skills funnest thing for me though is when its a bunch of melee chars and I can cast unfetter then ig then just throw up blurr and aoe everyone to hell while they stay in range I typically (if stuff isn't already on cooldown and can't use that combo) wipe 3-4 people at spawns at least 1 time per nationwar for the most part with that combo if given the chance.

The__Sun - Dreamweaver

I'd bring up another view on the difference of spawnkilling vs spawncamping. Let's say I'm running by with the flag and someone is attacking me from the spawn they are fair game in my eyes that is one less person I have to worry about attacking me as I head to the flag stand (hopefully unless they get a closer respawn of course). Spawncamping I would say I don't agree with especially if you just have a ton of OP players and the other team has no chance cause it's next to the base and random players who don't work together are there. I think at some point everyone has been there at least once and that takes a lot of fun out of the game. However if someone is spawncamping me, personally I have no problem cause its a PK event and there aren't any technical restrictions against it.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

You might as well be asking
"Are you stupid?"

100% same answers from the same people to both questions.

Star_Prism - Archosaur

The worst part is when you have archers spawn killing, you can't get far enough away from the spawn zone before they can start shooting.

I still think the best solution is to just have one spawn zone (the platform) you have 30 seconds to stay on the platform to rebuff or wait for your cool downs. While there you can't attack or be attacked. After 30 seconds if you are still standing there you get sent back to base. It solves both the spawn killing issue and people putting alts in.

And for us lowbies put an overseer there. I can't count the number of times I've been killed right after I entered trying to get the overseer blessing. It's another thing the higher levels camp because they know us lowbies will be going to it when we enter.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

If someone tries to spawn kill me, I kill them before my invincibility is over and the joke is on them!!

^ That, I don't waste my invincibility time to buff, I go kill the person than I buff myself after kill him or before it go off. I see some people waste the invincibility time to buff and make chi than QQ they get spawn kill, attack the spawn killer or fly away and buff after.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

I wanna ask this question to whoever thinks spawn killing is bad in NW:

What do you expect us to do? Go back, count to 20 then start attacking you? like seriously. lol spawn killing is part of a winning strategy in NW. Live with it or gtfo of the spawn point.

Oliiander - Lost City

Sleep/Silence, then fly away as fast as I can b:cry

soundslegit

When I'm on the wrong side of an unbalanced battle and getting spam killed I want to quit the battle and find a more competitive one but if you hit the leave battlefield button you go back to base which is often baselocked or at least hard to get out of. If they could fix that part of the game anytime I was in one of those awful battles where you have no chance I would leave right away and let the R9s have fun playing with themselves.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

soundslegit wrote: »

When I'm on the wrong side of an unbalanced battle and getting spam killed I want to quit the battle and find a more competitive one but if you hit the leave battlefield button you go back to base which is often baselocked or at least hard to get out of. If they could fix that part of the game anytime I was in one of those awful battles where you have no chance I would leave right away and let the R9s have fun playing with themselves.

I think if you go to Land B from Land A, and you feel like leaving the battlefield from Land B because of too many spawn deaths or whatever, when you leave the battlefield, you get ported back to Land A and not the base. Ofc, this is considering Land A has not been attacked until that point.

Star_Prism - Archosaur

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

I wanna ask this question to whoever thinks spawn killing is bad in NW:

What do you expect us to do? Go back, count to 20 then start attacking you? like seriously. lol

I do. I refuse to kill anyone in the spawn zone. In fact I will not even go into the other sides spawn zone unless I am helping to protect the flag carrier. There is no reason for me to be there. The fight is by the flag spawn points, not the other teams.

I know that this does hurt my score. Because so many others do spawn camp I face fewer opponents. But I go in to have fun and I can leave knowing I played an ethical and fair fight even if others didn't. I might have sacrificed personal points to do so, but my honor remains in tact. In fact I feel a great sense of accomplishment because I know every point I received was earned and not given by picking off people in the spawn zone.

So in turn I will ask those who do spawn kill. I'm not afraid to go against a person that is fully healed and buffed...why are you?

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I do. I refuse to kill anyone in the spawn zone. In fact I will not even go into the other sides spawn zone unless I am helping to protect the flag carrier. There is no reason for me to be there. The fight is by the flag spawn points, not the other teams.

I know that this does hurt my score. Because so many others do spawn camp I face fewer opponents. But I go in to have fun and I can leave knowing I played an ethical and fair fight even if others didn't. I might have sacrificed personal points to do so, but my honor remains in tact. In fact I feel a great sense of accomplishment because I know every point I received was earned and not given by picking off people in the spawn zone.

So in turn I will ask those who do spawn kill. I'm not afraid to go against a person that is fully healed and buffed...why are you?

'Cause it's convenient to keep someone dead while flag is passing by; a dead person is no threat to flag. Nothing personal, just score farming.

IHaxJoo - Raging Tide

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I do. I refuse to kill anyone in the spawn zone. In fact I will not even go into the other sides spawn zone unless I am helping to protect the flag carrier. There is no reason for me to be there. The fight is by the flag spawn points, not the other teams.

I know that this does hurt my score. Because so many others do spawn camp I face fewer opponents. But I go in to have fun and I can leave knowing I played an ethical and fair fight even if others didn't. I might have sacrificed personal points to do so, but my honor remains in tact. In fact I feel a great sense of accomplishment because I know every point I received was earned and not given by picking off people in the spawn zone.

So in turn I will ask those who do spawn kill. I'm not afraid to go against a person that is fully healed and buffed...why are you?

Honor in pwi? Sorry, there's no such thing lol. You are either a hero(helping out your nation score by spawn killing) or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain(you count to 20 at which point the spawnpoint people will have already killed your nation's flag carrier).
b:chuckle

Bhavyy - Raging Tide

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I do. I refuse to kill anyone in the spawn zone. In fact I will not even go into the other sides spawn zone unless I am helping to protect the flag carrier. There is no reason for me to be there. The fight is by the flag spawn points, not the other teams.

I know that this does hurt my score. Because so many others do spawn camp I face fewer opponents. But I go in to have fun and I can leave knowing I played an ethical and fair fight even if others didn't. I might have sacrificed personal points to do so, but my honor remains in tact. In fact I feel a great sense of accomplishment because I know every point I received was earned and not given by picking off people in the spawn zone.

So in turn I will ask those who do spawn kill. I'm not afraid to go against a person that is fully healed and buffed...why are you?

Good for you. But no one cares.
So you're going to make this about being scared?... lol

Someone who allows themselves to be killed at the spawn point is of no threat anyway. Letting someone who is super OP to get fully buffed before going after them is just a stupid idea considering the power that some of these magic DD's are walking around with now they can pretty much take care of most barbs who should/would be carrying the flag unless the barb in question is particularly OP themselves. You might as well go AFK. If I wanted to fight a R9R2 wizard full +12 JoSD whatever fully buffed then I'd go outside west and do a 1vs1.. but oh wait no one seems to want to do that anymore either.

If you can't handle yourself to be able to move out of the spawn point, away from people who are quite clearly standing there ready to kill you, and kill them first with your OP buff then I just suggest you dont come to NW, just like how you wouldnt go to any other PK event such as tourny or TOB.

I also love how as soon as theres a reward for PKing everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to come PK, realise how incapable they are of handling themselves in a pk situation and then resort to QQing on the forums.
I said this somewhere else on the forums, but i'll repeat it here.

There is no such thing as spawn killing in NW.
Just stupid people who dont think ad dont use their immunity and OP attack buff to their advantage but instead just stand there like a useless lemon. If you're going to stand there like that - get used to being archer fodder and free points for someone else.

ovenusarmanio

I've gotten far more points from long drawn out fights than I have flag walks or being spawn camped so not really sure why people do it anyway. I'd take 1k contribution over 100 any day of the week. I also like it when they don't do it and the nation scores are close because then everyone gets more contribution.

Want to know how this happened?
http://s68.beta.photobucket.com/user/ariesdragon123/media/2013-01-0700-30-52_zps92f5e904-1_zps4865d3f9.jpg.html

The other side wasted time spawn camping me when I wasn't even at the spawn point instead of running the flag. I was the only one in that battle against 20 and "held" it for quite a long time merely by hiding in a bush (dragged out the battle cuz it we were baselocked and I didnt want to be sent back to base, but I could tell there was a squad heading towards that particular territory). Then some OP squad came in and actually won the battle. Which means the one and only factor that determined my score was time spent in battle. As you can see spawn camping actually decreases the score all around and I'm sure if the squads that did this compared their scores in real battles versus flag walks they'd see which one was bigger. Any group that can spawn camp should be able to win without it, it decreases the score and accomplishes little. The only time it would really make sense is if you're tyring to win the territory before the 10 minute mark since that is when nation territory credits are calculated, or if you're trying to baselock the enemy and get to that side quickly. Since there is strategy to that. Anyway some people experience things such as lag, so it's a lot of factors besides skill that determine whether or not someone is able to move away from it.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I've gotten far more points from long drawn out fights than I have flag walks or being spawn camped so not really sure why people do it anyway. I'd take 1k contribution over 100 any day of the week. I also like it when they don't do it and the nation scores are close because then everyone gets more contribution.

Want to know how this happened?
http://s68.beta.photobucket.com/user/ariesdragon123/media/2013-01-0700-30-52_zps92f5e904-1_zps4865d3f9.jpg.html

The other side wasted time spawn camping me when I wasn't even at the spawn point instead of running the flag. I was the only one in that battle against 20 and "held" it for quite a long time merely by hiding in a bush (dragged out the battle cuz it we were baselocked and I didnt want to be sent back to base, but I could tell there was a squad heading towards that particular territory). Then some OP squad came in and actually won the battle. Which means the one and only factor that determined my score was time spent in battle. As you can see spawn camping actually decreases the score all around and I'm sure if the squads that did this compared their scores in real battles versus flag walks they'd see which one was bigger. Any group that can spawn camp should be able to win without it, it decreases the score and accomplishes little. The only time it would really make sense is if you're tyring to win the territory before the 10 minute mark since that is when nation territory credits are calculated, or if you're trying to baselock the enemy and get to that side quickly. Since there is strategy to that. Anyway some people experience things such as lag, so it's a lot of factors besides skill that determine whether or not someone is able to move away from it.

Venus so pro, Venus can hide from tabbing to lock? o.o

And um, I found that I can do meaningful damage G16s and low-refine R9s with my FC gold bow if they get purged. If I let them buff then I'm **** myself over even harder. Why would I do that? I'm in NW to fund myself

ovenusarmanio

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Venus so pro, Venus can hide from tabbing to lock? o.o

And um, I found that I can do meaningful damage G16s and low-refine R9s with my FC gold bow if they get purged. If I let them buff then I'm **** myself over even harder. Why would I do that? I'm in NW to fund myself

I doubt there were any hardcore pkers in that area, otherwise you'd think they'd of thought of tab targetting. TBH, I screenshotted it because it proves a point about spawn camping. They would have won that territory and I would have gotten nothing if they had just run the stupid flag instead of camping. I was the only one there for several minutes. Also, because I was equally surprised. You get more money if you get more tokens. Remember you get contribution from damage taken as well as damage dealt. On my BM, I have never not received tokens despite being so low level.

AshIynne - Sanctuary

Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »

I do. I refuse to kill anyone in the spawn zone. In fact I will not even go into the other sides spawn zone unless I am helping to protect the flag carrier. There is no reason for me to be there. The fight is by the flag spawn points, not the other teams.

I know that this does hurt my score. Because so many others do spawn camp I face fewer opponents. But I go in to have fun and I can leave knowing I played an ethical and fair fight even if others didn't. I might have sacrificed personal points to do so, but my honor remains in tact. In fact I feel a great sense of accomplishment because I know every point I received was earned and not given by picking off people in the spawn zone.

So in turn I will ask those who do spawn kill. I'm not afraid to go against a person that is fully healed and buffed...why are you?

Totally agree and I do the exact same thing. I refuse to attack anyone who has just spawned, nor will I help anyone on my side who is spawn killing. I prefer to have a fair fight.

And to those who say that they don't believe there are spawn killers...what about people who sit there and barrage of arrows on the spawn point? Or those people who stand directly on the spawn point and use AoE stuns or vortex? Can you honestly say these people aren't spawn killing? lol The invincibility doesn't last long enough for me to always get away, or up in the air either.

Zsw - Dreamweaver

Its really not the spawn killer's fault if you can't run away in time.

Reliea - Sanctuary

It's really more amusing to me that the people who do the most spawn killing are the people who have gear so op as to render their actions hilariously spiteful.

It's already clear you make less contrib killing people who can't even count as technically being 1 shot because their hp is pretty much 0 on respawn.

Ok I guess one factor would be to have them use up their respawns and be sent back to base... where then you have no enemies in the territory and can't make any more contrib because there's no one left to fight. But that doesn't make much sense if you really want to make the most from each battle.

I try to be a good sportsman and avoid killing at spawn points, sometimes it can't be helped, but anyone who actually wanted to increase their score wouldn't do much spawn killing.

Besides, of course spawn killing exists. Is there a spawn point? Are you killing someone in said spawn point? Then you are spawn killing. No need for debate XD

Star_Prism - Archosaur

Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Its really not the spawn killer's fault if you can't run away in time.

Really, your saying spawn killers lack the ability to make a conscious decision for themselves or that someone is forcing them to spawn camp.

This is the only argument I have heard from people who spawn kill/camp. And this is the exact same excuse serial killers use to absolve themselves of guilt 'Wasn't my fault. They should not have been there. They made me do. They were asking for it...ect' No one believes it when they say it, and no one believes it when you do.

If you are standing in a spawn zone waiting for people to respawn just so you can kill them, it is your fault. You are making the decision to do it, so take responsibility for your actions and stop trying to pawn it off on someone else.

People that spawn kill do it because it's easy, it takes less work and effort. So develop some maturity and just admit to it instead of using sociopathic mentalities to blame someone else for your actions.