No More Lunar BH?

Abelroc - Lost City · February 2013

meh I just look at it like I can get something else outta doing badge runs occasionally other than that dont realy do bh's at all especially on my seek ppl got way to picky bout gear on them anymore and want 3rd cast even just to run dumb arsed bh's so dun go unless guilds doing a run too many incompotents running around anymore carried by gear that can't play for poopsb:bye

theemerald · February 2013

NO Bh lunar then EoD price will be even higher QQ

Nariin - Dreamweaver · February 2013

Easier to form then full delta on DW. I get it often filled in 1 tele if I form free. If it was removed it would be quite hard to form lunar squads I think.

hellwingwatlz · February 2013

Its a fact that there are very few Lunar bh squad. You just need to make comparisons with SOT and ABBA bhs to realize that. I know, there are FEW ppl that claims to do it several times a day, but in comparison with the many players available to do that bh it is clearly a minority!!

The reason of this is very clear too, the Lunar's bh drops. If it were the same as the other bhs (molds, **** things) I'm sure ppl would do more that bh. Others will say 'its the fee' but getting the Ecard you can recover the 500k fee (2m ecard or 5m ecard).

QQ thread? I dont think so. It is a players posting his opinion about his/her experience.

Responses like: "I do all days, f'u", OR, "I dont have problems to do whatever i want cuz im R9 so i generalize everyone can do it also", are just RANT, cammuflating his opinion with aggresive responses trying to make otheres person to response even with more violence causing the debate/thread/opinion being shout down.

b:byeb:victory

Liam_ - Sanctuary · February 2013

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I like Lunar BH. It's nice to have a BH that yields some coin as well as a BH reward. They removed BH 3-3 which at least had TT and OHT drops, then they removed coin from Delta, and they switched the Aba and Seat bosses so there is no longer a chance at a book drop.

Lunar is about the only BH that actually yields coin.

The problem is Lunar is also about the only BH that a skilled squad vs an unskilled squad makes a huuuuuge difference. With a bad squad it can take longer to run than if I just solo it.

Despite being one of the more intricate instances, being one of the only BHs to make coin in, and offering badges the 3m fee and difficulty seem to scare people away so finding a squad or making a squad is much more difficult which makes it a pain.

Must be running a different Lunar than me. Last few runs the squad lead burnt about 20 tele's trying to sell the EoD, finally settling for 3m and breaking even. Now supply has settled again, they're back at the 3.5-4m mark, but on the day you need instant cash to split when a squad is waiting. None of the mats were worth anything, even Earth Essence is 50k. After selling crystals to a catshop and repairing, I think I made the fee back exactly.

Considering full is a huge pain if you get unlucky on a bad squad, and even with a pro squad takes as long as delta 3, compared to other BH's its the most time consuming and frustrating.

If EoD drop below 3m, I doubt I'll even run it anymore.

Colum - Raging Tide · February 2013

Keep Lunar. It's awesome instance tbh.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · February 2013

I don't see how running Lunar can be difficult.

Tower - Kill him ranged.

Vile Tower - Kill him ranged. R9 archer and venos are nice for purge, but otherwise not really necessary. BMs can leap in with HF and leap out, anyone can use a bow.

* At this point, head outside for alt buffs if necessary. Many players have alt buff bots that they can park outside.

HQ - Can be tanked by nearly any physical class. Use BB if necessary.

Vile HQ - Can be tanked by nearly any physical class. Use BB if necessary.

Water Boss - Kill him ranged.

Vile Water Boss - Kill him ranged.

Is it the mobs that makes things difficult? Do people just try to lure more than they can handle?

Nariin - Dreamweaver · February 2013

hellwingwatlz wrote: »

Its a fact that there are very few Lunar bh squad. You just need to make comparisons with SOT and ABBA bhs to realize that. I know, there are FEW ppl that claims to do it several times a day, but in comparison with the many players available to do that bh it is clearly a minority!!

The reason of this is very clear too, the Lunar's bh drops. If it were the same as the other bhs (molds, **** things) I'm sure ppl would do more that bh. Others will say 'its the fee' but getting the Ecard you can recover the 500k fee (2m ecard or 5m ecard).

QQ thread? I dont think so. It is a players posting his opinion about his/her experience.

Responses like: "I do all days, f'u", OR, "I dont have problems to do whatever i want cuz im R9 so i generalize everyone can do it also", are just RANT, cammuflating his opinion with aggresive responses trying to make otheres person to response even with more violence causing the debate/thread/opinion being shout down.

b:byeb:victory

So why should there be equal amount of people running all instances? Yes people dislike Lunar mostly because of fee, some are affraid to fail after paying fee.
But do you actually have troubles forming a Lunar BH? I find that hard to believe. People who need EoD often form with no fee, if they don't you can form it and sell EoD. Or form with fee, I've never tried that option actually.

Erm I don't get the last paragraf.

But no, removing Lunar form BH is a terrible idea. Apparently you don't, but there are still people who farm lunar mats. How would they be ever to form squads after? And BHs such Aba and SoT already get boring and repetitive, I'm glad when I get Lunar.

I wouldn't mind more instances to be added to bh though.

SaphirHealer - Archosaur · February 2013

aww lunar bh isnt something 6 sins can solo :< Darn. :P

I love lunar, doing Lunar bh I have farmed 4 pieces of lunar gear and got 2 on my pieces of gear to g16. The only issue I have with it is it costs so much to get opened. They should at least lower the opening fee if it is to stay a bh.

On the topic of no one running it...are you kidding me? Lol the day of lunar bh I see 1000000 people in WC all day long needing ppl for it. Sometimes I help out faction mates with it as well. Just gotta look in the right places I guess.b:laugh

Takeva - Heavens Tear · February 2013

I use to think it was useless but now you can easily get a squad without having to spend a dime + you get badges. It's a nice instance and can be really fun also. It's one of those places you need different types of classes. Not just sins and BMs for aps x.x

So I vote to keep it.

MageMERC - Harshlands · February 2013

I vote that PWI add a whole range of new BH 100's plus keep all the old ones. EDIT - I should add that on HL, Lunar squads are very common.

Knownase - Heavens Tear · February 2013

They should add BH Water, those water mobs are fun in WS.

Oliiander - Lost City · February 2013

<Does lunar on occasion.

Liveena - Heavens Tear · February 2013

I like doing lunar run, and sometimes I pay for it too. Its the only instance beside rb where my BM can spam stun and aoe, and its better than rb due to the drop and badges.

With lunar BH, its easier to kidnap people into lunar squad despite its not 2x. b:chuckle

OIdpop - Heavens Tear · February 2013

i dont mind doing bh lunar..i just want the bh boss not the full stinkin run.

Ecstazy - Dreamweaver · February 2013

Bowncr - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Has to be nice for them to sell for 6mil thier, here they sell for 1.5-2mil. Not much profit thier.

Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? Just yesterday I paid for 2 Lunar runs and sold the Essences of Defense right after for 3.8m each. The ones that are 1.5-2m are Offense. It's not that big of a profit but still make some money nonetheless. People just need to stop being lazy and do it.

tweakz · February 2013

SugarTitsxXx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lunar is one of the only places we get our Essence of Defense. If we get rid of this Bounty Hunter then the cost of making our G16 will go sky rocketing. Because who will want to run that bh anymore. I vote keep, also the materials that drop there can be used to make non binding gear instead of the twilight route.

Please don't take this bh away from the players that run this. If you don't like the bh DONT RUN THE DAMN THING. Hell there are tons of people that are happy to pay the fee to keep the Essence of Defense. Its not like old days where you put the Earth and Life essence in AH and hope you make your fee back. Anyways I hope you guys take this into consideration.

The biggest problem with this bh is people thinking that paying the opening fee entitles them to help in procuring the EoD. They are paying 2.5m for something that is worth 3.8m+. They expect a squad to earn for them 1.3m+! This blatant usury and gullibility is the only problem with this BH.

My angle on it is that I solo clear to the boss then look for people for hauntery only (includes vile), random drops (saves time and is most fair), and charge 500k ea. I then solo the rest of the instance after the bh. I avoid the complications of a bad squad or scrub toon, the ambiguity of what I'm doing it for, the people who just can't stand random drops (EoD), the idiot that needs to afk to pray in middle of run, etc. -Not only do I offer this service: I'd jump on it myself on my other toons if it were being offered more by others!

Paying the fee for EoD is grimy. Rarely does it take more than a day for me to sell them at 3.8m.

Reliea - Sanctuary · February 2013

Lunar is only worth doing if it's 2x or full for the EoD so you get a little back, so they might as well make the end boss the bh boss XD.
I might do Lunar more, but I don't want anything from Lunar, so it's not worth the time.

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2013

My only complaint with the Lunar BH is the neglect of the other paths. They ought to add Drake Fling and Relic as BH bosses \o/

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2013

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My only complaint with the Lunar BH is the neglect of the other paths. They ought to add Drake Fling and Relic as BH bosses \o/

I agree. Its kind of sad they picked the cheapest Lunar path to have the BH boss in.

Try to get a squad to do a farming run down a different path and people either don't understand its not a BH or didn't know there were other routes in Lunar -.-

Was considering something. I used to love BH 3-3 because we'd kill the boss, possible get a 9m GBF gold drop, and then I'd solo the card boss that appears after you kill Colluseast for a few more mil. I need to start farming cards for the card bosses in the BH run and do them after since everythings dead and entrance is paid.

Seirina - Dreamweaver · February 2013

I have trouble finding a lunar squad even as a cleric, on DW it's usually "free" but there are only a few squads not within factions for people to join.

SaphirHealer - Archosaur · February 2013

Ecstazy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? Just yesterday I paid for 2 Lunar runs and sold the Essences of Defense right after for 3.8m each. The ones that are 1.5-2m are Offense. It's not that big of a profit but still make some money nonetheless. People just need to stop being lazy and do it.

I guess it depends on your server...People are greedy on our server and sell them for 4-5mil each.

Nariin - Dreamweaver · February 2013

SaphirHealer - Archosaur wrote: »

Seirina - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have trouble finding a lunar squad even as a cleric, on DW it's usually "free" but there are only a few squads not within factions for people to join.

I guess it depends on your server...People are greedy on our server and sell them for 4-5mil each.

Hm, I have no troubles getting squad on DW as a noob sin with no faction, so I don't know

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My only complaint with the Lunar BH is the neglect of the other paths. They ought to add Drake Fling and Relic as BH bosses \o/

Agree with that \o/

Desdi - Sanctuary · February 2013

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My only complaint with the Lunar BH is the neglect of the other paths. They ought to add Drake Fling and Relic as BH bosses \o/

Yes. Yes. Yes.
A lot of times I've been invited to Lunar runs during non-BH days even and people still went after the BH route saying the other routes are too hard or something along the lines. Drake Fling maybe but Relic path is pretty easy...adding different BH routes would force people to run them and learn them b:surrender

FatherTed - Dreamweaver · February 2013

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My only complaint with the Lunar BH is the neglect of the other paths. They ought to add Drake Fling and Relic as BH bosses \o/

Ditto.

soundslegit · February 2013

Lately on my server people have been trying to ask for both the essences and gold mats in exchange for paying the fee. WC immediately explodes and they have to retract their claim. Now we know where the limits are.

Haila - Sanctuary · February 2013

soundslegit wrote: »

Lately on my server people have been trying to ask for both the essences and gold mats in exchange for paying the fee. WC immediately explodes and they have to retract their claim. Now we know where the limits are.

A lot of ppl on the forum still thinks it is fair to pay fee and get all mats + Essences of defense, even when 2x is on. I pointed that out as greedy of the fee payer and it seems i was the greedy person, so i finaly see someone who thinks the same as me b:thanks

Nariin - Dreamweaver · February 2013

soundslegit wrote: »

Lately on my server people have been trying to ask for both the essences and gold mats in exchange for paying the fee. WC immediately explodes and they have to retract their claim. Now we know where the limits are.

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

A lot of ppl on the forum still thinks it is fair to pay fee and get all mats + Essences of defense, even when 2x is on. I pointed that out as greedy of the fee payer and it seems i was the greedy person, so i finaly see someone who thinks the same as me b:thanks

People normally WC what's the deal with payment and essence. Obviously people still come, else they wouldn't do that. Some people just want to get the BH done.
I take all stuff when I form and pay, because I need it and nobody seemed to have a problem with that so far. At 2x I only take 1 essence (other random), though other runs I've seen they took both and people still came just as same. Regardless, anyone who thinks it's unfair is free to form and pay and do whatever he pleases, as long as it's know to the squad at begining.

deadwieght · February 2013

change the BH queen to BH lunar trophy mode, that way its only 12 mirages, same as warsong.

bitewarrior · February 2013

I think GM should add the different path of lunar as bh's and remove the cost, Since the cost was origanlly implimented to have and easy instance. Now that we dearly paid our gear and that they actually augmented the difficulty back to were it was originally it does not warrant the 3m fee for it anymore. I think at this stage PWI own us therefore cut the cost Mr.Scrooge. and give us content instead of raising difficulties.

Respecfully yours b:angry

P.S. no more coins from GV and 1 week straight of GV bh's hey Mr.Scrooge who do you think your fooling here.

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