Op Wizard or Op Psychic ?

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magixstar
magixstar Posts: 13 Arc User
edited February 2013 in General Discussion
Decided to give melee a break and level up Either my Wizard or my Psy to 100 , they are almost 90, anyway wich will make me a nicer Char ? R999 Wizard or R999 Psychic? For PVP That is. I want it to to be seriously op and awesome caster. b:bye Thanks for the input.
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  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
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    magixstar wrote: »
    Decided to give melee a break and level up Either my Wizard or my Psy to 100 , they are almost 90, anyway wich will make me a nicer Char ? R999 Wizard or R999 Psychic? For PVP That is. I want it to to be seriously op and awesome caster. b:bye Thanks for the input.

    b:bye
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  • HrunsPanda - Archosaur
    HrunsPanda - Archosaur Posts: 1,136 Arc User
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    b:laugh
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
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    I'm gonna be biased and say Psychic.
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »
    I'm gonna be biased and say Psychic.

    I'm going to be logical and say wizard.

    With endgame gears, wizzies have the required dmg output to take out other well geared players (spark, undine, ults). Psy may be harder to kill in white, but after a purge, wiz have much a higher survivability to dmg ratio.

    DPS arcane sucks
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
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    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm going to be logical and say wizard.

    With endgame gears, wizzies have the required dmg output to take out other well geared players (spark, undine, ults). Psy may be harder to kill in white, but after a purge, wiz have much a higher survivability to dmg ratio.

    DPS arcane sucks

    I still say Psychic b:laugh
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Both classes seem over-hyped to me. People that favor them tend to zero in on the single hit numbers and be the type to announce their crits in squad (despite most often being much lower than mine -lol). Despite wiz being my least favorite of the 4 mage classes I play: I'd choose it for the sole fact that you can account share all equips that a wiz uses with most of the other mage classes (weapon). Weapons are one of the biggest expenses and you can't go so wrong if you end up realizing that veno, cleric, or mystic would've been a much better choice.
  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
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    thumbs wrote: »
    Both classes seem over-hyped to me. People that favor them tend to zero in on the single hit numbers and be the type to announce their crits in squad (despite most often being much lower than mine -lol). Despite wiz being my least favorite of the 4 mage classes I play: I'd choose it for the sole fact that you can account share all equips that a wiz uses with most of the other mage classes (weapon). Weapons are one of the biggest expenses and you can't go so wrong if you end up realizing that veno, cleric, or mystic would've been a much better choice.

    The problem being in this case he wants to go r9rr so will not be sharing a weapon with other toons...

    I personally haven't played a psy so I can't offer too much there. A wiz has better all round defences and if played right will be able to reduce the amount of damage they would take with there blinks, reduce crit skill and arcane light.

    End of the day they are both pretty OP at 3rd cast level so it would really come down to your playstyle and which one you liked better to play.
  • getdenoobedkk
    getdenoobedkk Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Played since 2008 and pretty much every class to an end, except for venos and mystics. Depends on your play style of course but I personally would take Wizzy no matter how annoying 1v1 Psy might be. Wizards despite slow casting and lack of CC is one sick puppy when it comes to group or 1v1 PVP wearing R3, more so group pvp though.

    Now Ive been inactive on official servers for a year or so (Pservs FTW) but with todays metagame I'm leaning towards demon Wiz (Back in the day it was a nobrainer and pretty much default choice to go Sage Wiz)

    All in all both classes are good and able to whoop some serious ***. It is actually the hardest question personally for me, who is better at R3 full Josd Wiz or Psy, one thing for sure tho Wiz is not as forgiving as Psy is at that stage, although switch voodooo at the wrong time and you are toasted lol... I'm sorry I can not write my thoughts in a comprehensive manner right now...(Sunday night ;-)) But you asked truly rhetorical PWI question here. Both are excellent really.b:victory
  • Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
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    Psy>Wizard. +12 psy's 1 shot me with their SoV sometimes.....wizards can't do that. Then if the psy got me in a nearby target's aoe,or targeted me, even worser on top of their SoV damage im taking.
  • Buff_me - Harshlands
    Buff_me - Harshlands Posts: 492 Arc User
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    Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    +12 psy's 1 shot me with their SoV sometimes.....

    It's not something you can rate a psy's awesomness with.
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  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
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    The R9rr one b:victory
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
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    TBH I think if we're talking purely end-game, Wizard is stronger, in general (though obviously anyone with experience with the two classes will tell you Psy will typically beat wiz in 1v1; that's more because wiz is poorly equipped to fight Psys specifically, not because Psy is all-around better).

    Psys seem OP because it's the type of class where, if you're +10 and the Psy is +12, you're screwed. Their refines give them a quasi-godmode vs. everyone that has lower refines. THAT'S how Psys are potentially OP and unbalanced.

    HOWEVER, when we're talking purely end-game scenarios where EVERYONE is +12, then suddenly Psys kinda lose that because they're actually squishy as all hell, and suddenly that ridiculous silence rate becomes more of a neccesity to make up for their god awful defenses, rather than some OP broken mechanic that makes them unbeatable.

    Likewise, end-game everyone has pretty nice HP and defense levels. If you're fighting someone else endgame-geared or someone that has jades in armor, you REALLY want to charm bypass. Guess who does that much better than any other class? Wizard. Psy can charm bypass too with a crit or the like, but not reliably so; even Stone Smasher is unreliable because soulsphere range is pretty big. You can't force yourself to crit when you truly need to crit. In that sense, Psy may have, quite ironically, superior defense (white voodoo is spammable, Soul of silence might save you when you need it, two purify skills ready and waiting, physical immunity, control skills out the wazoo, soulburn and slow channeling are also pretty good control skills), but sure enough wizard's top-of-the-line damage shines through and they have much better offense. (again, end-game) And as I think anyone with PVP experience will tell you, offense is more typically important and more powerful than defense in this game. (attack levels easier to gain than defense, damage quicker and easier to increase than HP)
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  • Dragslave - Dreamweaver
    Dragslave - Dreamweaver Posts: 253 Arc User
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    If u know how to play... wizard, if u just want ppl to die easy, psy, soul skills make u win more fights than strategy. Wizzies need u to think and have strategy to kill some ppl, on psy u only need SoS to proc often against casters and a +12 weapon so Soul of stunning to be usefull, sins and BMs get killed on SoV... easy.
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
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    Neither can use R9 at 100. b:cute
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  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
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    As someone who's spent considerable time on both chars....
    Wizard.

    Like I've said before (and longknife too) at ENDGAME wizards are better at 1v1. Group pvp they have somewhat different roles. Wiz is mostly taking out a single target fast and dropping high dmg aoes while psys are mostly aoe cc and consistent aoe dmg along with occasional debuffs.

    And no, your +10 nv 3rd is not endgame.
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
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    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Neither can use R9 at 100. b:cute

    Finally someone noticed b:victory.

    To the OP, are you really that rich?

    If the answer is yes, r9 3rd cast both of them.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
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    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Neither can use R9 at 100. b:cute

    I see all these people saying which is better, ten you come out with that comment, lol :P
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  • Savor - Lost City
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    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Neither can use R9 at 100. b:cute

    I just read this thread and was hoping I would be the one to point this out because it was the only part of this thread that seemed worthy of a comment.
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  • upsides
    upsides Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Finally someone noticed b:victory.

    To the OP, are you really that rich?

    If the answer is yes, r9 3rd cast both of them.

    The first reply to this thread was the first one to notice.
  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
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    upsides wrote: »
    The first reply to this thread was the first one to notice.

    Maybe. Although they didn't put it into a format that will be understood by the majority. b:mischievous
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  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
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    Psy scare me more then Wizard.

    Basically cause they don't even have to target me to kill me. I usually do that myself when I take the chance, and 3 spark, and psy goes, reflect xp.
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
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    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    As someone who's spent considerable time on both chars....
    Wizard.

    Like I've said before (and longknife too) at ENDGAME wizards are better at 1v1. Group pvp they have somewhat different roles. Wiz is mostly taking out a single target fast and dropping high dmg aoes while psys are mostly aoe cc and consistent aoe dmg along with occasional debuffs.

    And no, your +10 nv 3rd is not endgame.

    I think endgame, for Psy?

    BM - Has the advantage over Psy, though it's close (but not many BMs can figure out they HAVE the advantage)
    Barb - Psy has the advantage
    Wiz - Psy has the advantage, though obviously wiz can kill -ANYONE- with a well-timed BT, it's just Psy has plenty of tools to prevent that
    Veno - Psy has the advantage
    Cleric - has the advantage over Psy
    Archer - Psy has the advantage, though it's close
    Sin - Neither has the advantage, continues to be damned cat and mouse and no one knows who's the mouse; tempted to say sin has the advantage, but it's highly reliant on chance and dice rolls, with sins looking for powerful zerk crits and Psys looking for Soul of silence at the right moments. Straight-up 50-50, though again since are dumb as all hell so it's rare you'd find one competent enough to deal with a full end-game Psy
    Psy vs Psy is boring and trivial as ****, as it basically requires a ban on white voodoo and some other skills for it to end
    Seeker- Psy has the advantage
    Mystic - has the advantage over Psy


    Can't say how wizard matchups are, though I'd assume that as long as the opposing class doesn't have tons of ways to prevent a BT (Cleric, BM, Mystic, Psy) then the wiz should be good.

    Both are one of the three main DD classes for TW and both are good in NW, perhaps with Psy having a slight edge in NW since their points are "doubled" when they get attacked due to reflect. In big group PK fights, wizard stays a DD and once again is searching for good AOE opportunities. Psy is still VERY capable of DDing, but because of low defense it MAY want to take a backseat and white voodoo + support skills off and on; slow wiz channeling, soulburn APS classes, charm debuff etc etc.
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  • Horosho - Lost City
    Horosho - Lost City Posts: 305 Arc User
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    Just whoever's purify spell procs
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
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    BM - Has huge advantage over psy due to magic marrow and cc lock. only have advantage if they're stupid and don't know how to genie.
    Barb - with maxed gears, Barb has the advantage
    Wiz - wtf ofc wiz has advantage. Half our skills do half dmg. We don't have amps and a smart wiz is not going to get stunned for long.
    Veno - Psy has the advantage
    Cleric - has the advantage over Psy
    Archer - Psy has the advantage, though it's close
    Sin - Neither has the advantage, continues to be damned cat and mouse and no one knows who's the mouse; tempted to say sin has the advantage, but it's highly reliant on chance and dice rolls, with sins looking for powerful zerk crits and Psys looking for Soul of silence at the right moments. Straight-up 50-50, though again since are dumb as all hell so it's rare you'd find one competent enough to deal with a full end-game Psy
    Psy vs Psy is boring and trivial as ****, as it basically requires a ban on white voodoo and some other skills for it to end
    Seeker- Psy has the advantage
    Mystic - has the advantage over Psy
  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
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    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    TBH I think if we're talking purely end-game, Wizard is stronger, in general (though obviously anyone with experience with the two classes will tell you Psy will typically beat wiz in 1v1; that's more because wiz is poorly equipped to fight Psys specifically, not because Psy is all-around better).

    Psys seem OP because it's the type of class where, if you're +10 and the Psy is +12, you're screwed. Their refines give them a quasi-godmode vs. everyone that has lower refines. THAT'S how Psys are potentially OP and unbalanced.

    HOWEVER, when we're talking purely end-game scenarios where EVERYONE is +12, then suddenly Psys kinda lose that because they're actually squishy as all hell, and suddenly that ridiculous silence rate becomes more of a neccesity to make up for their god awful defenses, rather than some OP broken mechanic that makes them unbeatable.

    Likewise, end-game everyone has pretty nice HP and defense levels. If you're fighting someone else endgame-geared or someone that has jades in armor, you REALLY want to charm bypass. Guess who does that much better than any other class? Wizard. Psy can charm bypass too with a crit or the like, but not reliably so; even Stone Smasher is unreliable because soulsphere range is pretty big. You can't force yourself to crit when you truly need to crit. In that sense, Psy may have, quite ironically, superior defense (white voodoo is spammable, Soul of silence might save you when you need it, two purify skills ready and waiting, physical immunity, control skills out the wazoo, soulburn and slow channeling are also pretty good control skills), but sure enough wizard's top-of-the-line damage shines through and they have much better offense. (again, end-game) And as I think anyone with PVP experience will tell you, offense is more typically important and more powerful than defense in this game. (attack levels easier to gain than defense, damage quicker and easier to increase than HP)

    This explains it well.
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  • thumbs
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    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The problem being in this case he wants to go r9rr so will not be sharing a weapon with other toons...

    I personally haven't played a psy so I can't offer too much there. A wiz has better all round defences and if played right will be able to reduce the amount of damage they would take with there blinks, reduce crit skill and arcane light.

    End of the day they are both pretty OP at 3rd cast level so it would really come down to your playstyle and which one you liked better to play.

    Got me on the sharing weapons, but there's no freaking way a wiz is OP. I'm pretty sure defenses would be a semi-endless debate. I wouldn't say wiz is useless, but for most things; there's a better class.
  • Tide_Surfer - Archosaur
    Tide_Surfer - Archosaur Posts: 1,261 Arc User
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    I'm just watching this debate go back and forth, it isn't going to come to a conclusion any time soon b:laugh
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  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
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    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Maybe. Although they didn't put it into a format that will be understood by the majority. b:mischievous

    Highlighting "lvl100" and "r999" wasn't obvious enough?
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
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    Wizard for pvp.
    I mean we are talking about pvp here hopefully if you're going r9r2

    Wizards are a lot more defensive in terms of their set up. You have to be sneaky and when you get caught you need to run away far enough and then come back and ninja dropping mountains and meteor rocks and dragons on people's heads.

    Psy is a lot more aggressive. They don't really seem to be classes that work best while avoiding damage. Instead a good psy will use the fact that they're getting hit to their advantage like using psy will or white voodoo or sov or sor and just hurt.

    In mass pk both are useful. In a 1 v 1 a wizard is pretty much the only class other than a seeker which is broken.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
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    ill say psy since i see most killing wizzies to much
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