Hp shards or evasion?

__Conn - Archosaur
__Conn - Archosaur Posts: 107 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Archer
Im not sure which one to do, pros reccomend hp but ive always prefered dodges/evasion. Any opinions?
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  • Horosho - Lost City
    Horosho - Lost City Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    HP shards.
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Evasion sucks. Even if it actually worked well, there are still physical attacks that don't miss and MAGIC.
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  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Evasion = ****


    Even if you show me calculations showing how much evasion will reduce damage over time that doesn't prove it improves survivability. Evasion produces a zero damage result every few times and if you average it out over time it seems like a significant damage reduction. But that doesn't help you survive. Here and there it might let you survive a situation but most of the time more HP would have been better.

    For PVP an archers biggest enemies are casters and other archers and sins. People who never miss and people who rarely miss. Its true that evasion will work against BMs and Barbs but they really aren't that big a threat to an archer. No reason to get gear to protect against your weakest threats. For PVE evasion is much more useful, but still not useful enough.

    Want proof? Fight mobs with and without the archer evasion buff. See how much that really helps survivability.
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  • __Conn - Archosaur
    __Conn - Archosaur Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    So evasion is never effective? Daaammn x(
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Dont listen to any of these guys they dont know w hat they're talking about.

    Evasion is the best.

    Amber gems are the best shard in the game - literally better than JoSD's
    you dont even need high refines for them to be beneficial.

    Just shard everything with ambers including your weapon so you can make sure to hit those high dex aps barbs and other evasion archers.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Dont listen to any of these guys they dont know w hat they're talking about.

    Evasion is the best.

    Amber gems are the best shard in the game - literally better than JoSD's
    you dont even need high refines for them to be beneficial.

    Just shard everything with ambers including your weapon so you can make sure to hit those high dex aps barbs and other evasion archers.

    Don't troll unless the OP is a troll.
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  • kenpachikensai
    kenpachikensai Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    yuo can neva hit meh! http://pwcalc.com/762df9cf01f74d98 unless you're magic pfft
  • Troll_demon - Harshlands
    Troll_demon - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    how about attack and attack lvl shards instead? those come for high levels only sadly. but right now, if u not lvl90, do not even think about shard because it is a waste anyway
  • brisingraz
    brisingraz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kenpachikensai wrote: »
    yuo can neva hit meh! http://pwcalc.com/762df9cf01f74d98 unless you're magic pfft

    Oh wow haha, thats a good way to troll some one.
  • NeonZephyr - Archosaur
    NeonZephyr - Archosaur Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    go full wood resistance and live amongst the butterflies b:laugh
    it should be because it is.
  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Don't troll unless the OP is a troll.

    Response 1: wtf i was srs.

    Response 2: wtf i thought this was a troll thread.
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  • __Conn - Archosaur
    __Conn - Archosaur Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Well this is embarassing. My question was so stupid people thought i was trollin'..
  • deadwieght
    deadwieght Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    actually if u do the math, evasion is only second to josd. i have an evasion build and it works perfectly.
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    deadwieght wrote: »
    actually if u do the math, evasion is only second to josd. i have an evasion build and it works perfectly.

    Yep, totally. That's why magic misses, right?
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yep, totally. That's why magic misses, right?

    Yes. but only if you stack enough evasion.
  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    deadwieght wrote: »
    actually if u do the math, evasion is only second to josd. i have an evasion build and it works perfectly.

    Its not about damage reduction over time its about survivability. Miss, hit, hit, hit, miss, hit, hit, hit, miss equals live, dead, live, dead, live again.
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    y no evasion?

    Cuz with **** HP Sins will oneshot you with RDS, BMs will p. much zerk you oneshot with smack, Casters will roflstomp you in the time it takes to channel 1 spell, archers will not give a fuq because endgame archers have so much DEX that evasion becomes pointless

    Condor never works in NW against R9 archers IJS they autoattack right through 24K evasion and rarely miss
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  • deadwieght
    deadwieght Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    decus if u were the math guru u claim to be you would have alrdy done the math and know why evasion works. but im perfectly fine with nobody using evasion builds, it keeps the amber shards dirt cheap for me. as an archer your HPs should come from your refines not from hp shards, we only have one item that gives a % boost to hp. the build that was posted earlier that has 24k evasion is a VERY viable build. and it works perfectly.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    deadwieght wrote: »
    decus if u were the math guru u claim to be you would have alrdy done the math and know why evasion works. but im perfectly fine with nobody using evasion builds, it keeps the amber shards dirt cheap for me. as an archer your HPs should come from your refines not from hp shards, we only have one item that gives a % boost to hp. the build that was posted earlier that has 24k evasion is a VERY viable build. and it works perfectly.


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  • deadwieght
    deadwieght Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    do as you plz, i know what works for me.
  • Hannsel - Dreamweaver
    Hannsel - Dreamweaver Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    its really ****ish to troll when the OP is genuinely uninformed about the topic
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Hannsel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    its really ****ish to troll when the OP is genuinely uninformed about the topic

    Pretty sure if op read the comments he'd know what's up.
  • Hannsel - Dreamweaver
    Hannsel - Dreamweaver Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Pretty sure if op read the comments he'd know what's up.
    true but it still sends mixed signals to new players. genuine question should get genuine replys and not a whole page filled with troll posts c/w bogus pwcalc builds

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