NW being controlled by a few people

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  • Star_Prism - Archosaur
    Star_Prism - Archosaur Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The lands adjacent to the base needs to be restricted to level 101 and above. It would help with lowbie alts being placed there to stall the flag for 25 minutes and give higher chances of counterattacking r9r2 squads.

    This doesn't work. Say your nation had a bad luck of the draw and only has a handful of 101+ players. You could end up being based lock even worse because you don't have enough players to defend.

    If you are going to create a level cap on lands do the opposite. To attack the land around the another nation's base you have to be under level 95, but any level can defend the land around their base.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Staryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The lands adjacent to the base needs to be restricted to level 101 and above. It would help with lowbie alts being placed there to stall the flag for 25 minutes and give higher chances of counterattacking r9r2 squads.

    I don't know about you, but the alt that I go in with is level 102. Unlike others, my alt's sole purpose is to buff me once we're in side. I could probably just as easily place her in another nation.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Just split NW up in lvl brakets kinda like how PV is,RB
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  • Staryu - Dreamweaver
    Staryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »
    This doesn't work. Say your nation had a bad luck of the draw and only has a handful of 101+ players. You could end up being based lock even worse because you don't have enough players to defend.

    If you are going to create a level cap on lands do the opposite. To attack the land around the another nation's base you have to be under level 95, but any level can defend the land around their base.

    It's not like low levels are going to make any impact against anything above g15.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't know about you, but the alt that I go in with is level 102. Unlike others, my alt's sole purpose is to buff me once we're in side. I could probably just as easily place her in another nation.

    Never said it will stop people. It will certainly help slow them down. Any later comers to nw usually end up being sent to the last place nation. So even if you had 7 alts, they will most likely all end up in the same nation anyway.
  • Seirina - Dreamweaver
    Seirina - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is really the biggest flaw with this entire rant. The entire rant as a whole assumes that there is not a random numbers generator that determines what Nations people end up in. Unfortunately there is such a random numbers generator.

    There is a slight flaw in this I have to point out, if you are good at math you know about the algorithms computers use to create seemingly random things, they are not truly random and patterns can be found. Just saying it is plausible to do some number crunching and control what nation you end up in, it would involve one or more mathematical geniuses, but if one person figures it out other people can too. Computers are very predictable that way. b:shutup
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  • Ruvil - Sanctuary
    Ruvil - Sanctuary Posts: 382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Seirina - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There is a slight flaw in this I have to point out, if you are good at math you know about the algorithms computers use to create seemingly random things, they are not truly random and patterns can be found. Just saying it is plausible to do some number crunching and control what nation you end up in, it would involve one or more mathematical geniuses, but if one person figures it out other people can too. Computers are very predictable that way. b:shutup

    or you could just end up in 2 diff nations and be like hey we are dark you guys are frost? lets **** light and flame kk ? =.=
  • Liam_ - Sanctuary
    Liam_ - Sanctuary Posts: 198 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Have actually witnessed what the OP is talking about. Think it was a week or two ago, there was an OP flame squad of about 8-10 camping the land just south of light base. And I mean seriously OP, quite a variety of classes and every single member capable of hitting easy 14-18k's, and tanking 6 at a time without issue. That same group did not move from that spot for the entire NW, putting a huge restriction on movement for Light.

    But in the end what can you do? It seems more like an issue with PWI than NW. Vastly overpowered gear exists, it's only natural it's going to cause huge imbalance issues. I don't really believe there is any "fix" at all to the majority of problems people have with NW. Unless they decided to put everyone in NPC gear ofc. :p
  • Lecus - Lost City
    Lecus - Lost City Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »
    or you could just end up in 2 diff nations and be like hey we are dark you guys are frost? lets **** light and flame kk ? =.=

    Or hey Frost, Dark and Light let beat up on Flame again. b:chuckle
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Liam_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Have actually witnessed what the OP is talking about. Think it was a week or two ago, there was an OP flame squad of about 8-10 camping the land just south of light base. And I mean seriously OP, quite a variety of classes and every single member capable of hitting easy 14-18k's, and tanking 6 at a time without issue. That same group did not move from that spot for the entire NW, putting a huge restriction on movement for Light.

    But in the end what can you do? It seems more like an issue with PWI than NW. Vastly overpowered gear exists, it's only natural it's going to cause huge imbalance issues. I don't really believe there is any "fix" at all to the majority of problems people have with NW. Unless they decided to put everyone in NPC gear ofc. :p

    Its not the gear, is the coordination and playskill.

    Ive seen almost 20 R9/R9rrs lose to me, 1 guy with R9, and a R9rr weapon sin plus a ton of scrub geared people and a few N3ers. We just outplayed them cause they couldnt get past PKing in center. They way out goonleveled and geared our whole side, but we coordinated and went for a win.

    Ive also been part of the 5-10 man OP squad that base locks 2 lands for over an hour. Unfortunately Kiyoshi is right - the problem lies with the people who go to break out of the base. When I can 1-2 shot almost the whole field, and tank 6+ people - they can still win. The problem is they rarely have the right classes or people to contest for the flag, let alone coordinate to do something about FIVE people.

    When you concentrate on the tanky BM CCing you (or doing nothing and just tanking) while the Archer blows you away unmolested - thats strategy and skill problems, not gear. I assure you in many situations, had someone CCed the archer or killed the archer - I would have died or the archer would have died and me shortly thereafter. But it wasn't done, repeatedly - and I get to have under 10 people holding 2 lands and making massive contribution on a weekly or even twice weekly basis for over an hour.

    Likewise, Ive also had under 100 or scrub geared, and N3 people whoop my butt cause they were more coordinated and prepared than the people I was working with at the time.

    Either people will learn to PvP in NW effectively, or they wont. Most go for profit, not to succeed. If they focus more on success over personal greed, they will profit better. But they have to break out of that solo selfish mindset first.
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  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its not the gear, is the coordination and playskill.

    Ive seen almost 20 R9/R9rrs lose to me, 1 guy with R9, and a R9rr weapon sin plus a ton of scrub geared people and a few N3ers. We just outplayed them cause they couldnt get past PKing in center. They way out goonleveled and geared our whole side, but we coordinated and went for a win.

    Ive also been part of the 5-10 man OP squad that base locks 2 lands for over an hour. Unfortunately Kiyoshi is right - the problem lies with the people who go to break out of the base. When I can 1-2 shot almost the whole field, and tank 6+ people - they can still win. The problem is they rarely have the right classes or people to contest for the flag, let alone coordinate to do something about FIVE people.

    When you concentrate on the tanky BM CCing you (or doing nothing and just tanking) while the Archer blows you away unmolested - thats strategy and skill problems, not gear. I assure you in many situations, had someone CCed the archer or killed the archer - I would have died or the archer would have died and me shortly thereafter. But it wasn't done, repeatedly - and I get to have under 10 people holding 2 lands and making massive contribution on a weekly or even twice weekly basis for over an hour.

    Likewise, Ive also had under 100 or scrub geared, and N3 people whoop my butt cause they were more coordinated and prepared than the people I was working with at the time.

    Either people will learn to PvP in NW effectively, or they wont. Most go for profit, not to succeed. If they focus more on success over personal greed, they will profit better. But they have to break out of that solo selfish mindset first.

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