So what make us wizards mad?

MetzliDemon - Harshlands · January 2013

BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you tell me it's just because you want a glowy hand, I'll go ahead,

Glowy hand and also the cute sound of the buff b:chuckle

Fissile - Archosaur · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

anyway, in my opinion wizard barriers improvement, as suggested by wainmei in their chinese thread, werent that op if we consider actual endgame scenario... indeed wizards should need at least barrier skills revamp...
i am sure none of us has those fire\ice barrier in their hotkeys

wizard burst is best, but we cant rely on just that, anyone that is under spark status can just press ig sutra ad soul of fire and then we are under long cds\ w\o chi \ long chann, not considering that anyone can also easily control a wiz as soon as he 3sparks or undine sparks...

and i rather "sneak" manifest virtue instead of spark cause if i use any 1-2-3spark i get insta cced just everytime

I spark all the time. Use fortify or vac. Most other classes can not seal you from your 30m attack range. If you are worried about getting sealed too you could use IG at that point. Followed by OP nuking.

I also like to spark, fortify, IG, holy path, (any skill to get chi - usually phoenix), dragon's breath in the middle of a bunch of opponents for 2 ticks, cancel DB, holy path away before IG wears off (requires a genie with lots of vit, mine has 100+). For added effect shout LEROYYYYYYY JENKINSSSSSSSS in world chat or common chat while doing it. It is low risk and hilarious fun to trololo in TW. Good for a laugh from both sides. Probably wont kill most people but good chance to stun a few with sage DB.

Daemon_Imp - Lost City · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

wizard burst is best, but we cant rely on just that, anyone that is under spark status can just press ig sutra ad soul of fire and then we are under long cds\ w\o chi \ long chann, not considering that anyone can also easily control a wiz as soon as he 3sparks or undine sparks...

if you force someone to apo by just by giving them a spark status, ur off to a good start :]
plus with 3rd cast r9 opdine is enough in many cases
and not so ez to control wiz anymore with purify spell on weap
dangit >:O cheze can prolly solo the TWs b:surrender

taringa181 · January 2013

the real endgame op are sin seekers and psys
dph r9r3 sin is not so used but it can be really really madness
r9r3 seekers can just afk tank anyone and nuke them right after
r9r3 psys can sit in 200 def lvls and stand at 3x chained armageddons then when u are stunned for 13 seconds they herpderp anyone

wizards need at least some kind of soul of silence...
my wiz @ 15k phys 90 def lvls is trololed by r9r3 archers or sins even psys.... even if i go close range to those archers they can still kite like madness

ill make a vid tomorrow nws maybe there is somethings wrong in my gameplay... cause seems i am the only one here thinking that wizards should need a def\sustain revamp

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · January 2013

I stopped play wizz, but when I was playing wizz I hated cleric Dding not healing me in caster when I had aggro letting me die and telling me use charm and pots... are you kidding me? You are cleric do your job and heal, if you wanted to be a DD than you should have chose a other class. -.-

Other caster class asking me for frostblade saying it was adding damage on their water attack skills...

Except that nothing else on my wizz was pissing me off. Just stupid metal wizz not healing.

taringa181 · January 2013

damn i made a vid of yday nw but that totally lagged... i used camtasia can you suggest me a better recorder maybe? fraps should lag less but i am afraid vid quality will really suck...

anyway yday i ve experienced sins **** me with 8-11k hits with subsea rift, also psy hitting 9k non crit with red tide, seekers also hitting me for 10-15k... despite this madness i ended almost always rank 1, won nw got 14k credits n 295 tokens

this is my current build http://pwcalc.com/c503e200d6857e95

i guess i need a +12 sky cover2, but first i ll switch demon cause of those sins, they just cant simply oneshot a 90df lvl wiz with non-sparked skill spam from stealth

Nurfed_You - Harshlands · January 2013

Are the sins that are hitting you +12 Adversity sins? Are they 2 sparking in stealth>inner harmony>subsea>rift? There are a lot of different things to factor in before you make a culti change. Demon stone barrier won't make a huge difference in suvivability.

I mean i'm full +10 r9 with immac citrines and I don't die all to often in nw. Wish i had your josd though

taringa181 · January 2013

yes they are adversity sins, but with our endgame gear we cant get much more def of the one i achieved atm, this is why we lack sustain imo
i checked them they were not sparked, when i got osed by a random rise dragon strike i felt really dumb xD and i am even using auto-apo with def charms crabs and elixirs xD
well in the short vid i made of 2 nw maps i didnt die at all but i got sort of nabs against me...with equal or even slightly undergeared archers\seeks\sins\psys are a **** to wizards

not considering that also wizards in mass pvp are always the first ones to get focus purged

anyway does fraps record in nice quality and its not too heavy-"rammed" ?

my point is if we reason with a very endgame scenario in 1 year the pvp side of the game will be all about dph sins\josd seekers\josd psys...

taringa181 · January 2013

this is from yesterday nws... a bit laggy :S

i was facing a r9 first cast non josd seeker (i think its full vit)

i slowed the part where i unloaded on him wizard's best burst (undine spark divine pyro pyro) (from 23 secs) he did wind shield, ok... but ****.... b:shutup

THIS IS SUSTAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxKQ8mSZ6Hs

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · January 2013

It's a topic about **** off wizz, if you want to speak about NW you should maybe start a new thread.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

this is from yesterday nws... a bit laggy :S

i was facing a r9 first cast non josd seeker (i think its full vit)

i slowed the part where i unloaded on him wizard's best burst (undine spark divine pyro pyro) (from 23 secs) he did wind shield, ok... but ****.... b:shutup

THIS IS SUSTAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxKQ8mSZ6Hs

You just play badly. Like why genie spark someone if your not going to sutra and you know you can't bypass htem in one hit? You seem to just be clicking random skills with no real thought of a combo or setting up his charm cooldown or anything. I know I melt through most any HA class. I mean i solo'd a 40k hp barb last night in about 30secs. twice. I mean you trip sparked and barely killed him. You shouldnt ever have to trip spark for more damage as a wizard. What does your genie setup look like? What are your thoughts when you hit a target you can't 3 hit. you undine a lot, but that my just be from speeding hte vidoe up lol. I mean I gulp when i hit a seeker and it's less then 10% of its hp, but I can still kill it with sutra genie spark pretty easily. Sometimes add in a ztp to get that last little bit down.

I use fraps and it doesnt seem to hog ram to badly. Though I have 8gb of ram so i really wouldnt notice all that much. Make more video's because that instance you just showed us wasn't the wiz class sucking. It was you being bad.

taringa181 · January 2013

yea ofc i am unskilled etch... (and why sutra if i cant bypass charm anyways)

too bad i undine spark divine pyrod him when he was @ 60% hp and right after he used qpq,

then i 3sparked and undine gush when he was @ 60% to try bypass charm

but ofc i failed cause i hitted him for 1.6k 1.3k with undinespark divine pyro and pyro... this seeker has something like 30k hp but i realized it just after i killed him, maybe wasnt me the unskilled one but was him indeed since he focused all the others letting me nuke him

anyway this was just to point out what kind of sustain a wiz should need... those free 40 def lvls make seekers really nasty to fight

Ruvil - Sanctuary · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

this is from yesterday nws... a bit laggy :S

i was facing a r9 first cast non josd seeker (i think its full vit)

i slowed the part where i unloaded on him wizard's best burst (undine spark divine pyro pyro) (from 23 secs) he did wind shield, ok... but ****.... b:shutup

THIS IS SUSTAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxKQ8mSZ6Hs

during your AMAZING SPARK "COMBO"... he has dew of star on...b:bye

taringa181 · January 2013

nope if u notice he had cleric buffs and wind shield he triggers it at start of vid

FaceRolI - Sanctuary · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

nope if u notice he had cleric buffs and wind shield he triggers it at start of vid

dew of star animation is a bit harder to notice then say IG w/ a giant yellow bubble, at 15-16 sec if you look at his feet a yellow aura appears this lets you know he has used Dew of Star.

you can also tell from the increased pdef buff he has, though it can also come from clerics/demon bm. also it doesnt make any sense that your 'normal' atks would hit twice as hard as spark fire skills even considering WS.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

the real endgame op are sin seekers and psys
dph r9r3 sin is not so used but it can be really really madness
r9r3 seekers can just afk tank anyone and nuke them right after
r9r3 psys can sit in 200 def lvls and stand at 3x chained armageddons then when u are stunned for 13 seconds they herpderp anyone

wizards need at least some kind of soul of silence...
my wiz @ 15k phys 90 def lvls is trololed by r9r3 archers or sins even psys.... even if i go close range to those archers they can still kite like madness

ill make a vid tomorrow nws maybe there is somethings wrong in my gameplay... cause seems i am the only one here thinking that wizards should need a def\sustain revamp

I gotta agree with you here. Even if Wizzies have good dmg, we sacrifice genie usage for spark and it can easily be dodged with soul of fire.

@Moooo show me how you kill a R9.3 +12 full jades Psych in white voodoo. Put it on video because if he selfbuffs himself you cannot do it, even if he goes afk.

Mooooooooo - Lost City · January 2013

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

I gotta agree with you here. Even if Wizzies have good dmg, we sacrifice genie usage for spark and it can easily be dodged with soul of fire.

@Moooo show me how you kill a R9.3 +12 full jades Psych in white voodoo. Put it on video because if he selfbuffs himself you cannot do it, even if he goes afk.

lol wut, unless he's full cleric barb buff it would be extremely easy.

FayHumming - Dreamweaver · January 2013

Fight full +12 r9rr psy more like charm ****.b:surrender Did fight one r9rr psy, but he ran away to city. He never show up again.

Mooooooooo - Lost City · January 2013

FayHumming - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fight full +12 r9rr psy more like charm ****.b:surrender Did fight one r9rr psy, but he ran away to city. He never show up again.

just hit to 55% and bypass lol

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide · January 2013

Video or it never happened! b:chuckle

Seirina - Dreamweaver · January 2013

The slowest casting of any class, and is totally hopeless against seekers and psys. My wizzy is officially retired >.<

FaceRolI - Sanctuary · January 2013

imma just say it once.

those of you complaining about wiz being underpowered (talking endgame vs endgame) you are noob.

/end

Seirina - Dreamweaver · January 2013

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

imma just say it once.

those of you complaining about wiz being underpowered (talking endgame vs endgame) you are noob.

/end

Completely agree xD

Adroit - Lost City · January 2013

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

imma just say it once.

those of you complaining about wiz being underpowered (talking endgame vs endgame) you are noob.

/end

seconded

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear · January 2013

taringa181 wrote: »

yes they are adversity sins, but with our endgame gear we cant get much more def of the one i achieved atm, this is why we lack sustain imo
i checked them they were not sparked, when i got osed by a random rise dragon strike i felt really dumb xD and i am even using auto-apo with def charms crabs and elixirs xD
well in the short vid i made of 2 nw maps i didnt die at all but i got sort of nabs against me...with equal or even slightly undergeared archers\seeks\sins\psys are a **** to wizards

not considering that also wizards in mass pvp are always the first ones to get focus purged

anyway does fraps record in nice quality and its not too heavy-"rammed" ?

my point is if we reason with a very endgame scenario in 1 year the pvp side of the game will be all about dph sins\josd seekers\josd psys...

I have a really hard time understanding your English. What do you mean by sustain?

"this is why we lack sustain imo" What do you mean by that?

FaceRolI - Sanctuary · January 2013

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have a really hard time understanding your English. What do you mean by sustain?

"this is why we lack sustain imo" What do you mean by that?

he means survivability. r999 sin is one of few endgame classes that i think would give wiz some trouble. but every class has high "sustain" w/ dew of star on =S

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear · January 2013

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

he means survivability. r999 sin is one of few endgame classes that i think would give wiz some trouble. but every class has high "sustain" w/ dew of star on =S

Ahhhhh.

Yeah R999 sage DPH sin is a **** for wizzies because of their CC and limitless chi. Add in the fact that they can mire + subsea + rift and hit you for more than your HP bar is very annoying.

taringa181 · January 2013

i am not us and uk and i apologize for my bad english
but for sustain i mean the ability to deal damage being able to survive opponent hits...

wizards deal above-average damage but falls down very quickly under enemy hits, if compared to other classes...

this is what i mean for sustained damage

seekers and psys, also sins can deal slightly less damage with a single skill (if they dont zerkcrit), but their ability to survive at enemy lethal blows make them able to "tank more damage" and use more skills....

so while a wizard have to undinespark pyro nix then kite, a seeker can stand there and gemini nier heart batto and still stand for more, psys the same, sins just stealth away and thx to limitless chi return in few secs with subsea earthen or hh etch... (this is all @ endgame scenario)

saying that wizard is nerfed @ endgame is not being noob, with equal gear i still have to see a wizard to defeat a good skilled seeker or psy without putting real efforts...

u take him to 55% hp to undinespark bypass what if they sof or w.e. xD at that point you are screwed xD and a seeker can sustain ur damage until he zerkcrits, a psy can black anticc nuke u, sin subseahearten or even subseaHH from stealth....

dunno prolly at the end what makes wizzies mad is just zerkcrits (but imo is lack of sustain damage)

SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear · January 2013

Don't think a psy would ever have a good time attempting to kill a wiz either... Let alone with white voodoo on.

taringa181 · January 2013

SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Don't think a psy would ever have a good time attempting to kill a wiz either... Let alone with white voodoo on.

if they got u stunned with sost, and u are out of genie chi, their black voodoo will really **** anyclass

So what make us wizards mad?

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