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Apostasy - Raging Tide
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First off...PWI CAN WE GET SOME -CASTING TIME GEAR ALREADY??? Now, since -chan gear doesn't affect us nearly as much as a cleric or wiz with their 2.5 sec average skill cast, at lvl 80 and 90 what gear would you suggest for a great build? I have an 82 psy with +3 refine at +40 hp/garnet equivalent on all gear. I have some -chan gear (12%) but all with great stat additions like +3-5 of str, mag and vit along with the channel all on one piece. I have the Eye of the jungle for the str and def.. is there a better belt? kez N0P$ydjv dvH 0 9v+ 0EE &Q2Z1 this doesn't look like a link to me but it's what it gave me...
This is what i have on Just in case.. all with +3 refines except the rings.
Dream Bubble 2x 25 mag attk shards
Intangible Robe, Boots, and Wristguards all with 3x 40hp shards
Dark Pants of Hades 4x 40hp shards
Drum Master's Hat 3x 40hp shards
Calm Robe: Wraithgate
Necklace of the Legion
Eye of the Jungle
High Commander's Badge
Attendance Signet: Exemplary
Retribultion's Flame
which leaves me with Vit 49 , Mag 393 , Str 63 , Dex 15
3543mp/8260hp 5% crit
What would you keep, what would you change and if you change, what do you change to? Like most, I am on a budget so nothing crazy like puzzle cube badges pls. (I'll take it if you wanna give me one. lol)
I posted this here due to necro.
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To respond now... Here is my current gear set up ... AND if I were really really interested in even more channelling atm, my gear would be ... Most psys on the forum here (and I suspect alot of non-psys as well) think my first, second and thirdborn children ought to be killed because I do advocate channeling gear on a psy. Unfortunately, at your level, it is difficult to find channeling gears worth having.
Based on your Input, I suggest for you atm ...
If however, this is a bit too expensive for you, try ...
Once you hit level 90, here's what you might wanna upgrade to (you will need to get reputation up if you dont already have it)
Hope that helps ya pyrocix b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
While I do appreciate the time you took to do that, I think you missed what I said...I agree with the others about Channel gear on a psy.. It doesn't do enough to be heavily needed. I only want some like I currently have and stack up my other pieces with mag/vit/crit%. We do have some skills with longer cast time but I do just fine in NW at lvl 82.. got 5368 personal credits last week. I was looking for gear needed to up my mag/vit/crit% and p.def.0
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Malidega - Archosaur wrote: »While I do appreciate the time you took to do that, I think you missed what I said...I agree with the others about Channel gear on a psy.. It doesn't do enough to be heavily needed. I only want some like I currently have and stack up my other pieces with mag/vit/crit%. We do have some skills with longer cast time but I do just fine in NW at lvl 82.. got 5368 personal credits last week. I was looking for gear needed to up my mag/vit/crit% and p.def.
you was right, i did miss that... ok, ima try again then, startin with what u says u have ...
And now to see if this might do ya better or give ya any ideas...
Until you reach 90 ...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Channeling psy? ick b:spitApostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »To respond now... Here is my current gear set up ... AND if I were really really interested in even more channelling atm, my gear would be ... Most psys on the forum here (and I suspect alot of non-psys as well) think my first, second and thirdborn children ought to be killed because I do advocate channeling gear on a psy. Unfortunately, at your level, it is difficult to find channeling gears worth having.
For a psy, our main focus is to nuke/hit hard, and we already have the fastest channeling in the game, it's hard to improve on it, and when it is, it's not even noticable, for example, this is my current build and I tried making a lvl 1 psychic and testing the channeling difference, guess what I could see? no difference, none, nothing at all. This is what I'm aiming for yes it is G16, but I'm only aiming for that until R10 comes out and R9 is cheap as chips b:bye but the thing about a wizzy and a cleric is, a cleric can afford to sacrifice good ornaments for -chan ornaments as they are 90% of the time in the background healing, not 1 on 1 with the mobs hence most clerics having both pdef ornies AND -chan ornies for different circumstances, this is the same with a wizzy, but the thing about a wizzy is that a lot of their gear is already -chan, and by this I mean a lot of their GOOD gear, like their R9, that has -10% chan, but for a psychic, some of our gear does already have -chan on it. One thing I'm GOBSMACKED at is that you actually sacrificed amazing R9 or R8 (which by the way, hits harder than Underworld Sovereign) for that -chan sphere....and you put -chan in it >_> +12'ing that sphere is horrid, end of story.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tide_Surfer - Archosaur wrote: »Channeling psy? ick b:spit
For a psy, our main focus is to nuke/hit hard, and we already have the fastest channeling in the game, it's hard to improve on it, and when it is, it's not even noticable, for example, this is my current build and I tried making a lvl 1 psychic and testing the channeling difference, guess what I could see? no difference, none, nothing at all. This is what I'm aiming for yes it is G16, but I'm only aiming for that until R10 comes out and R9 is cheap as chips b:bye but the thing about a wizzy and a cleric is, a cleric can afford to sacrifice good ornaments for -chan ornaments as they are 90% of the time in the background healing, not 1 on 1 with the mobs hence most clerics having both pdef ornies AND -chan ornies for different circumstances, this is the same with a wizzy, but the thing about a wizzy is that a lot of their gear is already -chan, and by this I mean a lot of their GOOD gear, like their R9, that has -10% chan, but for a psychic, some of our gear does already have -chan on it. One thing I'm GOBSMACKED at is that you actually sacrificed amazing R9 or R8 (which by the way, hits harder than Underworld Sovereign) for that -chan sphere....and you put -chan in it >_> +12'ing that sphere is horrid, end of story.
You are cute b:cute considering if u look
Your Damage : 10693-15029 (yeah, yeah, I know ur only +5)
My Damage : 14522-16428
Your Damage IF u were +9 : 12551-16887 (Im still higher overall)
Your damage IF u were +10 : 13411-17746 (Ok, now we average out about the same)
Your Damage IF u were +11 : 14517-18852 (Ok, now you match my bottom end damage and do more overall)
But here would be your SF : 23,624
But here is MY SF : 30716
Your Crit : 13% (If you are Demon with both masteries +2%)
My Crit : 14% (I am Demon with both masteries +2%)
Oh yeah, plus overall I still have more hps, more ele resists, more pdef... b:kiss b:kiss[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »You are cute b:cute considering if u look
Your Damage : 10693-15029 (yeah, yeah, I know ur only +5)
My Damage : 14522-16428
Your Damage IF u were +9 : 12551-16887 (Im still higher overall)
Your damage IF u were +10 : 13411-17746 (Ok, now we average out about the same)
Your Damage IF u were +11 : 14517-18852 (Ok, now you match my bottom end damage and do more overall)
But here would be your SF : 23,624
But here is MY SF : 30716
Your Crit : 13% (If you are Demon with both masteries +2%)
My Crit : 14% (I am Demon with both masteries +2%)
Oh yeah, plus overall I still have more hps, more ele resists, more pdef... b:kiss b:kiss
TF kind of argument is this?
The point is your soulsphere sucks giant donkey ****. The soulforce and crit could be exactly the same with another sphere whereas your damage drastically improves. Why the HELL would you use a ****ty sphere with channeling on it?I
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Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »TF kind of argument is this?
The point is your soulsphere sucks giant donkey ****. The soulforce and crit could be exactly the same with another sphere whereas your damage drastically improves. Why the HELL would you use a ****ty sphere with channeling on it?
is a fairly simple argument, actually... here, lemme spell it out for ya b:cute
there was a psy that was opposed to my set up and wep and chan (as i advocate).
that same psy showed me his after i showed mine. and for all the bs yak yak yakkins... I still have have higher everything, including outright damage (which he could have i guess, but based on what he already has b:chuckle ). IF he actually +'d his sphere more, I showed what he would have comparitively. Sure he showed his wish list, but my wishlist has warsoul recast attached to it, second only to r9.3 btw... I know ill actually get whats on my wishlist (he might get whats on his). For their having a +crit weapon so far superior to my own chan wep, i still have higher crit by 1-3% so far (and that will be going up again shortly). Yet for all my chan advocating, im still basicly carrying higher chan as an extra effect that i didnt even mention in that argument. And dats must be a wery wery BIG donkey b:surprised ... cause i been hearin my wep is just fine, and does just fine vs the t3 nirvy spheres on most occassions... b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »You are cute b:cute considering if u look
Your Damage : 10693-15029 (yeah, yeah, I know ur only +5)
My Damage : 14522-16428
Your Damage IF u were +9 : 12551-16887 (Im still higher overall)
Your damage IF u were +10 : 13411-17746 (Ok, now we average out about the same)
Your Damage IF u were +11 : 14517-18852 (Ok, now you match my bottom end damage and do more overall)
But here would be your SF : 23,624
But here is MY SF : 30716
Your Crit : 13% (If you are Demon with both masteries +2%)
My Crit : 14% (I am Demon with both masteries +2%)
Oh yeah, plus overall I still have more hps, more ele resists, more pdef... b:kiss b:kiss
You forgotten to add the atk lvl of the full nv3 into consideration. b:surrender0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »is a fairly simple argument, actually... here, lemme spell it out for ya b:cute
there was a psy that was opposed to my set up and wep and chan (as i advocate).
that same psy showed me his after i showed mine. and for all the bs yak yak yakkins... I still have have higher everything, including outright damage (which he could have i guess, but based on what he already has b:chuckle ). IF he actually +'d his sphere more, I showed what he would have comparitively. Sure he showed his wish list, but my wishlist has warsoul recast attached to it, second only to r9.3 btw... I know ill actually get whats on my wishlist (he might get whats on his). For their having a +crit weapon so far superior to my own chan wep, i still have higher crit by 1-3% so far (and that will be going up again shortly). Yet for all my chan advocating, im still basicly carrying higher chan as an extra effect that i didnt even mention in that argument. And dats must be a wery wery BIG donkey b:surprised ... cause i been hearin my wep is just fine, and does just fine vs the t3 nirvy spheres on most occassions... b:bye
No, I understood perfectly. Your argument is basically that he's wasting time chasing ideal scenarios that are impossible to achieve while you take realistic ones and thus have higher refines etc.
That doesn't change that your soulsphere sucks absolute donkey ****, or that you could, for example, +12 the r8 soulsphere as an alternative, which hits way harder (actually achieves about the same high-end damage as the r9 soulsphere thanks to add-ons, but still hits lower due to attack level differences) and has crit, which is more useful. Or hell the 3rd cast nirvana soulsphere is easy as hell to make; I could actually make one right now if I wanted to and I never even had the intention of making one. I just happened upon all the mats for it while furthering my actual goals.
And my actual goals? I don't cash shop, yet I've recently achieved r9 thanks to wise investments and kicking massive amounts of *** in Nation War for a reliable and decent-sized income. I DIDN'T compromise myself down and kept chasing those "dreams" and now I'm literally only ~2 months away from 3rd recast r9.
Even IF we were to accept your argument of dreams being only dreams, that doesn't change the fact that there are far better gear choices that are still incredibly realistic. All you've achieved is nice soulforce, but your damage and defense (and crit rate) suck otherwise. I beat you out across the board, save for soulforce; I COULD, but no I AM gonna be getting third cast, so I'll be saving my Dorbs until then.
All you did was +12 a soulsphere immediately to exploit a Psy's kick *** soulforce skills, but now you lack the income to improve your gear past being horrendously mediocre, so you're stuck there.
Hell, quite laughably, you even boast about your soulforce while having only 5k HP. That silence rate isn't gonna do **** all if you're a one-shot. You either have Psy will up and then SoS is trivial, you have white voodoo up and your damage is too god awful to kill anyone, or you're in Black and you die before SoS can even proc. You're an ideal buff-bot, a terrible main character.
Don't try to glorify it into anything else. Buy Chienkuns or whatever and put that +12 refine somewhere else, preferably a 3rd recast nirvana soulsphere.I AGOREY0 -
1. b:chuckle You my child, completely missed the point : ***Lotus of Illusion THAT (the warsoul recast, the sphere second only to the r9.3, incase u dun know what that is) is my NEXT wep ... so really? why the **** would i waste my time, money or focus sidestepping that as my next wep due to some donkey **** loving buffoon on the forums that probably forgot how to play... I mean, in your own words :Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »That doesn't change that your soulsphere sucks absolute donkey ****, or that you could, for example, +12 the r8 soulsphere as an alternative, which hits way harder (actually achieves about the same high-end damage as the r9 soulsphere thanks to add-ons, but still hits lower due to attack level differences) and has crit, which is more useful. Or hell the 3rd cast nirvana soulsphere is easy as hell to make; I could actually make one right now if I wanted to and I never even had the intention of making one. I just happened upon all the mats for it while furthering my actual goals. [...] Don't try to glorify it into anything else. Buy Chienkuns or whatever and put that +12 refine somewhere else, preferably a 3rd recast nirvana soulsphere.
2. Translation : *cough* *cough* CS'd *cough* like everyone else *cough* claimin they didnt *cough* or was dirtbag enough *cough* to take advantage of children *cough* and taking those children's parents money *cough* via "merching" *cough* ... OR it is possible you have had the time to farm, in which case... congradulations! get a job... OR it is possible you have a few people you have found to squad up with... good for you *clap clap*Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »I've recently achieved r9 thanks to wise investments and kicking massive amounts of *** in Nation War for a reliable and decent-sized income. I DIDN'T compromise myself down and kept chasing those "dreams" and now I'm literally only ~2 months away from 3rd recast r9.
3. Well, you did say you are r9 recently... so i should hope so... whatchya look like pre-r9? b:shutupLongknife - Harshlands wrote: »there are far better gear choices that are still incredibly realistic. All you've achieved is nice soulforce, but your damage and defense (and crit rate) suck otherwise. I beat you out across the board, save for soulforce; I COULD, but no I AM gonna be getting third cast, so I'll be saving my Dorbs until then.Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »All you did was +12 a soulsphere immediately to exploit a Psy's kick *** soulforce skills, but now you lack the income to improve your gear past being horrendously mediocre, so you're stuck there.
Hell, quite laughably, you even boast about your soulforce while having only 5k HP. That silence rate isn't gonna do **** all if you're a one-shot. You either have Psy will up and then SoS is trivial, you have white voodoo up and your damage is too god awful to kill anyone, or you're in Black and you die before SoS can even proc. You're an ideal buff-bot, a terrible main character.
4. "immediately" you say? HA! there was nothing immediate at all about +12'ing that sphere... Took a month of trying to collect all the signs before I quit trying and sold off all the parts I did manage to gather... Then almost a year later, it took 2 months to gather all the signs just to make. Then the tempest came out, and I happened to get lucky the first two weeks they did... got my sphere up to +10 without using any of the money i intended on using to initially only go to +10 on it. So I did my research and Underworld Sovereign was the better choice over the r8 as far as I was concerned. Chan Psy FTW b:pleased
"lack the income" you say? Again... HA! nah... i just focus my income toward the right direction, and only toward the right direction... I do plenty fine solo in nw, add a lil cs'ing (at least i can be honest about it) and I'm far from lacking any income. I just recently blew enough for silk perfume wings (already have firebug, but the silk will match my warsoul wep when i get it), making my fash pure white, then deciding, "nah... lets go pure black instead, yea... thats what im talkin bout"... upgrading some refines, and blowin plenty more on buying warsoul pieces beyond just what i can make via nw... oh yeah, thats just the last week or two... so i would hardly say "lack the income"
"having only 5k HP" you say? Again... HA! That's the hardest 5k to tear down for most people... I lost count how many times Ive had half a dozen trying their damnedest to tear me down... now ofc... there are those that do indeed one-shot me... they gonna be in for a very rude awakening once I actually build my refines for hps... once im not just some one shot for them... "them" being mostly r9+
"have white voodoo up and your damage is too god awful to kill anyone, or you're in Black and you die before SoS can even proc" um ... learn to play a psy... too much donkey for you... you're flagged... you really stay in either voodoo for pk, tw, nw, or even pve? b:surrender b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »1. b:chuckle You my child, completely missed the point : ***Lotus of Illusion THAT (the warsoul recast, the sphere second only to the r9.3, incase u dun know what that is) is my NEXT wep ... so really? why the **** would i waste my time, money or focus sidestepping that as my next wep due to some donkey **** loving buffoon on the forums that probably forgot how to play... I mean, in your own words :
2. Translation : *cough* *cough* CS'd *cough* like everyone else *cough* claimin they didnt *cough* or was dirtbag enough *cough* to take advantage of children *cough* and taking those children's parents money *cough* via "merching" *cough* ... OR it is possible you have had the time to farm, in which case... congradulations! get a job... OR it is possible you have a few people you have found to squad up with... good for you *clap clap*
3. Well, you did say you are r9 recently... so i should hope so... whatchya look like pre-r9? b:shutup
4. "immediately" you say? HA! there was nothing immediate at all about +12'ing that sphere... Took a month of trying to collect all the signs before I quit trying and sold off all the parts I did manage to gather... Then almost a year later, it took 2 months to gather all the signs just to make. Then the tempest came out, and I happened to get lucky the first two weeks they did... got my sphere up to +10 without using any of the money i intended on using to initially only go to +10 on it. So I did my research and Underworld Sovereign was the better choice over the r8 as far as I was concerned. Chan Psy FTW b:pleased
"lack the income" you say? Again... HA! nah... i just focus my income toward the right direction, and only toward the right direction... I do plenty fine solo in nw, add a lil cs'ing (at least i can be honest about it) and I'm far from lacking any income. I just recently blew enough for silk perfume wings (already have firebug, but the silk will match my warsoul wep when i get it), making my fash pure white, then deciding, "nah... lets go pure black instead, yea... thats what im talkin bout"... upgrading some refines, and blowin plenty more on buying warsoul pieces beyond just what i can make via nw... oh yeah, thats just the last week or two... so i would hardly say "lack the income"
"having only 5k HP" you say? Again... HA! That's the hardest 5k to tear down for most people... I lost count how many times Ive had half a dozen trying their damnedest to tear me down... now ofc... there are those that do indeed one-shot me... they gonna be in for a very rude awakening once I actually build my refines for hps... once im not just some one shot for them... "them" being mostly r9+
"have white voodoo up and your damage is too god awful to kill anyone, or you're in Black and you die before SoS can even proc" um ... learn to play a psy... too much donkey for you... you're flagged... you really stay in either voodoo for pk, tw, nw, or even pve? b:surrender b:bye
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Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »1. b:chuckle You my child, completely missed the point : ***Lotus of Illusion THAT (the warsoul recast, the sphere second only to the r9.3, incase u dun know what that is) is my NEXT wep ... so really? why the **** would i waste my time, money or focus sidestepping that as my next wep due to some donkey **** loving buffoon on the forums that probably forgot how to play... I mean, in your own words :
Which is also a stupid move one should only make after they're out of options. The Warsong is destined to be the poor man's alternative to r9, and while I get that not everyone can get r9 (the way I did it was an opportunity that already passed), I wouldn't plan on it unless you're absolutely sure r9 is impossible for you. Supply tokens get cheaper and cheaper weekly; eventually warsong will be as easy to make as nirvana 3rd cast. This is something you can patiently wait for while attempting to get r9, though now that the r9 sale is almost over, you may have already dug your grave.2. Translation : *cough* *cough* CS'd *cough* like everyone else *cough* claimin they didnt *cough* or was dirtbag enough *cough* to take advantage of children *cough* and taking those children's parents money *cough* via "merching" *cough* ... OR it is possible you have had the time to farm, in which case... congradulations! get a job... OR it is possible you have a few people you have found to squad up with... good for you *clap clap*
3. Well, you did say you are r9 recently... so i should hope so... whatchya look like pre-r9? b:shutup
No, go ask anyone on Harshlands. I have a reputation for playing well despite **** gear.
I don't mind sharing how I did it. Basically I just keep myself updated on future PWI expansions, because expansions are the things with the power to rock the economy. In this case? Uncannies and raps. I paid careful attention to the Sirens of War news and for ~2-3 months before the 50% off r9 sale, I was prepping for it. I farmed the hell out of nirvana, cashed in all my 99 keys quests and sold the uncannies and raps ASAP, and when Nation war rolled around, I was selling all of my earnings and immediately buying gold with it.
Basically all I did was anticipate the rapture and canny price bomb, I got rid of all of my raps and cannies ASAP, and, knowing that soon Nirvana recast and r9 recast would be standard (I believed we'd win as many tokens as we do both thanks to rumors of people in Chinese servers winning tons AND because a drastic change in gear value has been done before when r8 became standard), I did everything in my power to get r9, knowing that while 3rd recast nirvana is nice and CAN compete with r9 (as in someone with 3rd cast nirv could compete with and beat a 3rd cast r9 character, albeit as the underdog), r9 offers the purify spell and the +100 magic from the set, which are absolute game-changers. Thus, EVERY cent I earned was invested in gold.
Alongside that, I had a mock alt guild that I use to bid on wannabe TW factions with. I basically just invite everyone and their mother to it, regardless of their gear and level, then lead TWs against "srs" TW factions and beat them, because it's hilarious, tons of fun and it shows a bunch of egotistical self-centered leaders that they're not all that and aren't even close to being able to compete with serious TW factions. With that guild I held ~3 lands and had 25-35mil from 2-3 weeks (only 2-3 because other weeks the income went to paying bills, towers and such) I could invest in gold.
Finally, I was in a guild with CSers who, despite my warnings about a crash in canny and rapture prices, insisted on buying raps and cannies to 3rd cast (r9) their gear ASAP, because "I want it now" and "it's not that much money anyways." I was able to convince some of them that that's a crapton of money (enough to help r9 me) and that there's absolutely 0 risk involved with waiting a week or two to see if my advice was accurate or not. I got some of them to agree that since it "wasn't a lot of money," they would give me half of the money they saved if they held off on buying raps and cannies and I turned out to be right. Sure enough, I was right.
By the time the 50% off r9 sale rolled around, I had 360 gold saved up. With that, I got the r9 ring and three (and a half) pieces of armor. My guild then felt I was worthy of sponsoring since I showed improvement on my own and I'm competent in PVP and help them in TW (lead defense), so they footed the bill for the fourth armor piece and the r9 belt. The weapon, I slowly but surely earned via Nation war the past month or so. (for anyone interested in saving up for r9, fair warning: the weapon feels like you're getting the ring and the other five pieces all over again. It's THAT expensive...)
Before r9 I was r8 with crit gear. Nirvana helm, one of those capes you get from that abaddon thingy, Dancing Sparkle boots, warsong belt, etc etc. My r8 was originally purchased for me by three guildies who were kind enough to foot the bill, not wanting me to be left behind. I refined it myself and got those various misc pieces of gear over the months just by farming, and by no means am I a hardcore farmer.
All it took was one wise investment and one instance where I successfully predicted a drastic change in the economy, and now I'm full r9. The next few months I just have to kick *** in NW and I'll be able to second cast, then 3rd cast is a breeze.
Again, I'm not saying r9 is doable for anyone. The guild I'm currently in is basically a merge of three seperate guilds, one of them being my own little tiny alt guilds. I tend to make an effort to REALLY look out for my own guildies (now my own squadmates since I've got a lot more guildies now), and while ~3 of us managed to r9 ourselves via this change in economy, another ~3-4 have not, and I worry they won't have it easy r9ing themselves since they already passed this opportunity up and NW income is only gonna decrease from here on out.
HOWEVER, I find it absolutely ridiculous that you're currently aiming as low as possible, investing all your money in a stupid warsoul weapon that, in a couple month's time, will cost absolute peanuts to make. This is your ONE chance to go for r9 before you miss the boat, and if you spend time telling yourself you're not gonna make that boat? Guess what: you won't make the boat.
But it absolutely does NOT hurt to try and catch it. Gold and r9 mats are a safe investment, so even if you find yourself with only 2 MoG and 32 GSTs and you find full r9 unrealistic for you, you can easily sell those off later and use money to buy your little alternative warsoul weapon, which would've undoubtedly dropped drastically in price in the meantime.
Lrn2Economy.4. "immediately" you say? HA! there was nothing immediate at all about +12'ing that sphere... Took a month of trying to collect all the signs before I quit trying and sold off all the parts I did manage to gather... Then almost a year later, it took 2 months to gather all the signs just to make. Then the tempest came out, and I happened to get lucky the first two weeks they did... got my sphere up to +10 without using any of the money i intended on using to initially only go to +10 on it. So I did my research and Underworld Sovereign was the better choice over the r8 as far as I was concerned. Chan Psy FTW b:pleased
"lack the income" you say? Again... HA! nah... i just focus my income toward the right direction, and only toward the right direction... I do plenty fine solo in nw, add a lil cs'ing (at least i can be honest about it) and I'm far from lacking any income. I just recently blew enough for silk perfume wings (already have firebug, but the silk will match my warsoul wep when i get it), making my fash pure white, then deciding, "nah... lets go pure black instead, yea... thats what im talkin bout"... upgrading some refines, and blowin plenty more on buying warsoul pieces beyond just what i can make via nw... oh yeah, thats just the last week or two... so i would hardly say "lack the income"
"having only 5k HP" you say? Again... HA! That's the hardest 5k to tear down for most people... I lost count how many times Ive had half a dozen trying their damnedest to tear me down... now ofc... there are those that do indeed one-shot me... they gonna be in for a very rude awakening once I actually build my refines for hps... once im not just some one shot for them... "them" being mostly r9+
"have white voodoo up and your damage is too god awful to kill anyone, or you're in Black and you die before SoS can even proc" um ... learn to play a psy... too much donkey for you... you're flagged... you really stay in either voodoo for pk, tw, nw, or even pve? b:surrender b:bye
I don't even know what to say to this. Either people on your server are drastically worse-geared than Harshlands or you're completely delusional. As I said, my stats are better than yours across the board and I still feel squishy. Yes, obviously Psy will should cover that weakness the majority of the time, but my point was that if you have Psy will on, physical DDs aren't proc'ing SoS (or if they are, they're idiots and probably couldn't kill you even if you had 15k soulforce), trivializing all of your soulforce. You can white voodoo SoSt enemies, but that's about it. I'm sure you do fine in 1v1 scenarios, but team scenarios would eat you up.
And I sincerely doubt you're allegedly smarter than me (not trying to turn this into some "my IQ higher than yours!11" since wtf we don't know each other, but your entire post just seems to imply you think you are, with all due respect), both in PVP and in investing money wisely. Why? Because if you were so smart, all of your gear would at LEAST be refined to +7-+9 (depends on how daring you are), but instead it's all over the place AS you claim you "blow money on refines" (shouldn't need to til +8-9) and you've got a decently expensive tome that does very little for you compared to other gear alternatives. Likewise your own post is filled with "gotta make sure my hair and fashion matches my new weapon omg" while simultaneously claiming r9 is a dream for non-CSers.
tl;dr You're horrendous with money and yes, you should be lit on fire and tossed down the Grand Canyon for stacking channeling on a Psy.I AGOREY0 -
Lets assume you farm the Warsoul wep via Nation Wars.
For all of the Warsoul mats you need:
43.75m + 1000 tokens
43.75m + 1000 tokens
35m + 300 tokens
26.25m + 100 tokens
43.75m + 500 tokens
26.25m + 100 tokens
Which totals to: 218.75m and 3000 tokens for the first Warsoul wep.
Then you need 78.75m for the fee, 52.5m for the Seals of War, and 2500 tokens to make the recast Warsoul.
350m and 5500 tokens for a weapon that...doesn't have purify proc. Versus just getting a g16 Nirvana sphere which will cost you like 10-15m max to make the TT99 soulsphere and then 2.5m and 250 tokens to make the g15 Nirvana. And then all you'd need is the sphere mold, 5m, 60 badges, and an essence of offense to make g16 Nirvana. Lets be generous and say it's 50m for all of that. That's still 300m and 5250 tokens you can put towards merching for r9/getting summerwinds for that r9. Hell, that's enough tokens to get all of the summerwinds for full r9r and still have more tokens left over.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Here's what im looking to build : http://www.pwcalc.com/70fb939490ac77d8
**note : Ring of Trauma "changed" to reflect warsoul recast + 3 def lvls and +3% crit.
This is just the base of what I am looking to build... ofc im looking to max nw forge both rings, tome, and neck...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
R9 3rd cast would be a better choice, +12 and those shards on most of that gear is a major waste.Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »Here's what im looking to build : http://www.pwcalc.com/70fb939490ac77d8
**note : Ring of Trauma "changed" to reflect warsoul recast + 3 def lvls and +3% crit.
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Nice, LOVE the crit bonuses. Question though, why don't you use a cape with -chan? Another -6 could make a big difference vs the 5 atk level bonus.0
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Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »Here's what im looking to build : http://www.pwcalc.com/70fb939490ac77d8
**note : Ring of Trauma "changed" to reflect warsoul recast + 3 def lvls and +3% crit.
This is just the base of what I am looking to build... ofc im looking to max nw forge both rings, tome, and neck...Euzebe - Sanctuary wrote: »Nice, LOVE the crit bonuses. Question though, why don't you use a cape with -chan? Another -6 could make a big difference vs the 5 atk level bonus.
While the crit is nice, take it from someone who recently very briefly had 24% crit: the difference between 18% crit and 24% crit, while noticeable, isn't noticeable enough to make a meaningful difference in PVP. Aim for 18-20% crit, then stop. If you get more just by happenstance, awesome, but any extra isn't as great as it seems on paper. Nice of course, but not worth going out of your way for.
As I said, a day will come when warsoul is dirt cheap. Don't waste your time aiming for it now when you could be attempting r9, which is superior simply because the third cast offers equal attack levels and purify spell. There is nothing you could possibly get in exchange for purify spell to make it worth it losing out on purify spell.I AGOREY0 -
But but, I jest b:surrender. 6% crit on one piece is unlikely to say the least.0
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Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »While the crit is nice, take it from someone who recently very briefly had 24% crit: the difference between 18% crit and 24% crit, while noticeable, isn't noticeable enough to make a meaningful difference in PVP. Aim for 18-20% crit, then stop. If you get more just by happenstance, awesome, but any extra isn't as great as it seems on paper. Nice of course, but not worth going out of your way for.
As I said, a day will come when warsoul is dirt cheap. Don't waste your time aiming for it now when you could be attempting r9, which is superior simply because the third cast offers equal attack levels and purify spell. There is nothing you could possibly get in exchange for purify spell to make it worth it losing out on purify spell.
I'll take ur advice into consideration... I dont really see warsoul recast as the poorman's r9.3 (but i did lol). The way i see it... is week by week building thru nw and cs'in, i can afford the wsr (wouldnt be able to afford it if i actually had to save all my coin to buy outright, horrible spending coin i have). Once the wsr is finished (which will likely be +12, +100 mgc atk, -3 chan same as my current wep), my ability to earn more tokens via nw should go up about +50% i would think (which based on what im doin currently, i can safely say 40 - 170, more often about 85-120 supply tokens per nw solo). With warsoul done, my intended set up will depend on 1 issue => the r8 recast sleev having the potential of -18% chan. its really the biggest issue to maximize chan. If i can happen to get this exactly, then the rest of the set up is cake comparitively. I do understand the reality of getting that on one piece, but it is the only piece i know of that this is even at all possible and worth it (stupid lunar ornaments aint worth it). This to me is a mere 19 tokens per reroll attempt. I dont see this as really out of my way to try. Reality is, i expect at least 2 -6 chan slots to be filled... and the last hopefully another 6 chan, or 2% crit or 12 mgc. I am stubborn enough to do this b:victory
Im lookin at the set up I want as comparitive to r9.1-r9.2 with cranked up crit and speed in my casts (yeah, yeah -chan dunt effect casting, i know for those who else gonna chime in on this point). Im lookin to achieve 40% crit... this is on par with some of the nastiest archers and sins (with the exception of the r9.3s ofc). 60% chan, even on a psy, aint no joke either... no matter how firm people are against it. consider that 60% is literally 2/3rds the reduction speed as we get on tide spirit... but no need to use two sparks, its just perma speed. I think all together... played correctly ofc... this can certainly compete vs the r9.3s comin out. (besides, why go r9.3 in my position, if i can try go r10 when it comes out if i aint done reachin where i wanna be?)
Sure, this might not be the absolute best set up to go for... but i think itll be the most fun... this is a gaaaame after all? ... b:question
But but... i have 4 t2 nirvys wit max stats already... 2 before nw came out... oh *psy* Aaaaend... thats the beauty of the r8 recast set... u dont really need to get all +2% crit on any one piece... just all to add up to the same thing b:chuckleEuzebe - Sanctuary wrote: »But but, I jest b:surrender. 6% crit on one piece is unlikely to say the least.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »I think all together... played correctly ofc... this can certainly compete vs the r9.3s comin out.
Don't try and delude yourself. Nothing competes with r9rr offensively and purify proc is too good to pass up.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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This.Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Don't try and delude yourself. Nothing competes with r9rr offensively and purify proc is too good to pass up.0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »I don't even know what to say to this. Either people on your server are drastically worse-geared than Harshlands or you're completely delusional. As I said, my stats are better than yours across the board and I still feel squishy. Yes, obviously Psy will should cover that weakness the majority of the time, but my point was that if you have Psy will on, physical DDs aren't proc'ing SoS (or if they are, they're idiots and probably couldn't kill you even if you had 15k soulforce), trivializing all of your soulforce. You can white voodoo SoSt enemies, but that's about it. I'm sure you do fine in 1v1 scenarios, but team scenarios would eat you up.
Actually, you are on Harshlands... a pvp server... Im on Raging Tides... a pve server... pvp simply = being prepared to spend money... When I first started hittin the pk mode option... I blew thru guardian scrolls like they were water (i hated that friggin safety lock before ever goin pk... if i could 0 it out i would)... These days, 1 pk mode run of 10 hours equates to only 10 g.scrolls most of the time. In a pvp server, there is no option to not be in pk mode... and with R9 gears, I would imagine you are just having flashbacks from being lower level... Confidence! is the key LK... Confidence! b:victory
I dont feel squishy actually... not only do I make sure my white voodoo is always initially on when in pk mode... I usually keep SoR up (reduces damage and reflects damage nicely) for them damn sin pop ups, those are the ones that i worry about for simple fact they almost know when ur friggin typin in chat wit someone even in pms... not SoS... SoS does go up if vs archers and already holy pathed in their face reducing their damage, or if vs a barb, or clerics, wiz's or other psys if battle lasts long enough or SoR about to go down and you know they who ur atkin... plus I always have over 500 of those 50% pdef charms up (i never bothered with mgc defense charms due to being pure mgc and arcane, altho they would very likely help vs the r9s especially). I use crabs or w/e from the boutique... I actually dont keep psy will up at all... psy will is only one option... I still have things like our morai ig skill (phalanx spirit) + badge of courage, or shroud of shadows, soulburn (usually i cast this just before or after psy will, depending if i lookin to jump into black voody or not), bubble... my goal is always set up to get into black voodoo for the kill... sayin i dun get one shot in white voodoo ofc... really need to learn what one friggin skill some these classes use to do that...
As far as 1v1... depends if r9 or not... unless they fresh r9's they usually eat me... now the new-r9'd however... they make me look real pro b:chuckle but in group scenarios (tw & nw), im actually quite good at... i generally either pick out an outskirts target to go after, or see who is moving toward flag point, or who has the cata, or who is healing in the back... once i start hittin them or realize/know they are r9... i change up my tactic... i dont try to kill target at that point... stuns, slows, lower accuracy, psy link whoever best to attack and kill or support group... etc... once i do this enough, i did notice i end up dead alot a few times after... guess they figure out what i was doin there b:lipcurl so no delusions, just usin all i got from trying out everything... and still testin different stuff... genies included...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »Actually, you are on Harshlands... a pvp server... Im on Raging Tides... a pve server... pvp simply = being prepared to spend money... When I first started hittin the pk mode option... I blew thru guardian scrolls like they were water (i hated that friggin safety lock before ever goin pk... if i could 0 it out i would)... These days, 1 pk mode run of 10 hours equates to only 10 g.scrolls most of the time. In a pvp server, there is no option to not be in pk mode... and with R9 gears, I would imagine you are just having flashbacks from being lower level... Confidence! is the key LK... Confidence! b:victory
I dont feel squishy actually... not only do I make sure my white voodoo is always initially on when in pk mode... I usually keep SoR up (reduces damage and reflects damage nicely) for them damn sin pop ups, those are the ones that i worry about for simple fact they almost know when ur friggin typin in chat wit someone even in pms... not SoS... SoS does go up if vs archers and already holy pathed in their face reducing their damage, or if vs a barb, or clerics, wiz's or other psys if battle lasts long enough or SoR about to go down and you know they who ur atkin... plus I always have over 500 of those 50% pdef charms up (i never bothered with mgc defense charms due to being pure mgc and arcane, altho they would very likely help vs the r9s especially). I use crabs or w/e from the boutique... I actually dont keep psy will up at all... psy will is only one option... I still have things like our morai ig skill (phalanx spirit) + badge of courage, or shroud of shadows, soulburn (usually i cast this just before or after psy will, depending if i lookin to jump into black voody or not), bubble... my goal is always set up to get into black voodoo for the kill... sayin i dun get one shot in white voodoo ofc... really need to learn what one friggin skill some these classes use to do that...
As far as 1v1... depends if r9 or not... unless they fresh r9's they usually eat me... now the new-r9'd however... they make me look real pro b:chuckle but in group scenarios (tw & nw), im actually quite good at... i generally either pick out an outskirts target to go after, or see who is moving toward flag point, or who has the cata, or who is healing in the back... once i start hittin them or realize/know they are r9... i change up my tactic... i dont try to kill target at that point... stuns, slows, lower accuracy, psy link whoever best to attack and kill or support group... etc... once i do this enough, i did notice i end up dead alot a few times after... guess they figure out what i was doin there b:lipcurl so no delusions, just usin all i got from trying out everything... and still testin different stuff... genies included...
I don't mean to sound like an arrogant *****.
But I have the second highest kill count amongst all Psys amongst all servers, my name constantly got dropped in Harshlands forums for "people who have **** gear but still manage to kick massive amounts of ***" and I have a minimum of two sins on me at all times when I PK because I'm pretty sure I've fought every single sin on Harshlands at least once, and sins, being the arrogant little ragers they are, don't like dying and always try for REVENGE when they die. Hell, yesterday I beat a 3rd cast r9 +12 weapon Psy in 1v1 with my r9 1st +8. Twice.
I cannot even find you on PVP listings and you just advised me to use Soul of Stunning vs. Archers, so please excuse me if I don't take your advice super serious.
I said Psys are and always will be squishy, I said you are a one-shot. That doesn't mean you can't PK; a Psy's goal is to NOT get hit. My point was that as a Psy you try to minimalize being hit AT ALL because all it takes is one hit and you might just die. Psy will, SoR, our control skills like Earth Vector and Glacial...those are there for a reason. Your soulforce is nice, I'm sure, but investing THAT MUCH into a crappy soulsphere just for the soulforce when you STILL have 5k HP, you STILL would fight using tactics that minimalize the amount of times you get hit and thus there's less chances for your 20% silence rate to come into play, and thus your soulforce isn't all that useful for you. If anything, it's useful for your SoR or SoSt, but not so much anything else.
As others have said, stop kidding yourself. Your soulsphere is ****, so is your financial plan. The Warsoul weapon is an inevitability; a day will come when everyone and their mother can make one with absolute ease because Supply token prices are only set to decrease, not increase. r9 is just superior across the board both because of purify spell and the 100 extra magic from the set bonus. Do NOT save up for anything else without making a serious attempt to get r9 first; only change your plan once you're absolutely certain r9 for you isn't realistic (even if you can't get the weapon, the armor is worth it if you get the full set).
The more time you waste kidding yourself that your current gear plan is good, the more big profit opportunities you let pass up. I'm only r9 because I cashed out on such an opportunity, but that opportunity already passed by. Right now GSTs are 50% off and should be bought ASAP, but only for another week or so. Instead of snatching them now, you sit here trying to justify a terribad gear plan, even pretentiously offering me PK tips as if you're just SOOOOOOO above us in your understanding of this game and that's why we don't comprehend how awesome your gear plan is.
No, you're just delusional. Wake up and get to work on r9.I AGOREY0 -
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This has been an "Interesting" read if nothing else. While I am pretty sure that I will not be able to afford r9 for quite a while and am only up to lvl 85, I do plan to go Nirvana 3rd cast asap.
LongKnife.....being so great at pvp, I would like to pick your brain. (others feel free to chime in as well)
In NW I average 60-90 tokens in my 3 weekends of playing (99 tokens is my high). I hate sins (sneaky ****), archers and seekers are my only real problems. I've gotten pretty good at dispatching with all the other classes. (Barbs I leave alone unless almost dead or have the flag) If a veno or mystic doesn't kill me before I kill their pet, I can hold my own pretty well. All this being said, I'm lvl 85 and get one shot (expected).
What advice can you give to help me with pvp.
Also, one of the forums mentioned that the Ghost Cry Soulsphere is the best sphere available from lvl 85 untill TT99. I currently use a 2 socket Dream Bubble for the +13 mag/vit. Is there any truth to this and if not, pls recommend a good sphere choice.0 -
i'm not a psy but can speak for arcane type classes.
5.2K hp is not acceptable at level 100 and a +12 refine in coin is just as much as a full G16 +7 arcane set, with decent shards in it. full G16 set will net you easily 7K HP+ with good defense/attack levels ( comparable to first tier Rank 9 ).
That being said, alot of people use the FC 85 gold weapon because it hits hard for its level and is easy to sell off once you get your 95 Lunar glade soulsphere or TT99 ( which you can both recast ).I'm famous! i'm on ecatomb0 -
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Malidega - Archosaur wrote: »
In NW I average 60-90 tokens in my 3 weekends of playing (99 tokens is my high). I hate sins (sneaky ****), archers and seekers are my only real problems. I've gotten pretty good at dispatching with all the other classes. (Barbs I leave alone unless almost dead or have the flag) If a veno or mystic doesn't kill me before I kill their pet, I can hold my own pretty well. All this being said, I'm lvl 85 and get one shot (expected).
You shouldn't be having trouble with seekers. Seeker SHOULD be weak against Psy, though obviously if you're severely outgeared then you just can't damage enough to kill them.
My advice would be to level up first. For both Seekers and archers you'll want sage bubble of life. A LOT of Psys neglect using Sage BoL + Expel, which combined with sage Psy will, gives you 20 second physical immunity. Unfortunately at level 85 you can't use that.
The other basic advice is to keep SoR up. Get into the habit of recasting it every single time it comes off cooldown. I've fought sooooooooo many sins now that it's second nature for me; I sometimes recast it without even realizing I recasted it. I've also got friggin' post-traumatic stress disorder with the sound of sins leaving stealth next to me and hit Psy will immediately. :P
But a lot of Psys seem to think soul of stunning is the better shield to have up. No, no it's not. Because anyone with half a brain is going to take precautions to make sure it doesn't stun them, but SoR will ALWAYS absorb damage for you and will ALWAYS give you a quasi-anti-stun for the first hit. Typically it's physical classes that can oneshot a Psy. SoR is going to tank the first physical hit, giving you time to react and hit Psy will. It's also effectively an anti-stun and can do all sorts of fun little tricks. Soul of stunning imo is more of something for 1v1 vs. casters without anti-stun, or something that, when your soulforce is high enough, can be timed right against those WITH anti-stun to secure the kill. But Soul of retaliation is the safer defensive option on a crowded field.
Finally, learn to love Psy will and don't camp White voodoo. These may sound like basics, but I know so many people that've switched to Psy recently (wanting to be 3rd cast r9 +12 so they can win just by having better refines) that can't figure these out. You're a DD. You're squishy. Don't try to avoid that, learn to cope with it. White voodoo is only there to strategically be switched into when neccesary for a charm tick or to kite or in 1v1 vs. certain opponents (wizards and other Psys). It's not something you're supposed to camp at all times with black as the secondary; no, you want to attempt to kill the opponent quick as possible before they can even hit you, and for that you need more damage. Likewise, your defense against mages should be fair enough that you can tank a hit or two from them in black and Psy will is there to cover you from physical DDs.
Above all though, I would just level. Some classes rely on superior stats (wizard, seeker, barb), some classes rely on superior skills (Psy, sin). At 85, you can't really utilize your strength. Level up ASAP to at least 99 and start investing in skill books. Bubble of Life, soul of silence, Earth Vector, Psy will, SoR....things like that.I AGOREY0 -
Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »But a lot of Psys seem to think soul of stunning is the better shield to have up. No, no it's not. Because anyone with half a brain is going to take precautions to make sure it doesn't stun them, but SoR will ALWAYS absorb damage for you and will ALWAYS give you a quasi-anti-stun for the first hit. Typically it's physical classes that can oneshot a Psy. SoR is going to tank the first physical hit, giving you time to react and hit Psy will. It's also effectively an anti-stun and can do all sorts of fun little tricks. Soul of stunning imo is more of something for 1v1 vs. casters without anti-stun, or something that, when your soulforce is high enough, can be timed right against those WITH anti-stun to secure the kill. But Soul of retaliation is the safer defensive option on a crowded field.
Finally, learn to love Psy will and don't camp White voodoo. These may sound like basics, but I know so many people that've switched to Psy recently (wanting to be 3rd cast r9 +12 so they can win just by having better refines) that can't figure these out. You're a DD. You're squishy. Don't try to avoid that, learn to cope with it. White voodoo is only there to strategically be switched into when neccesary for a charm tick or to kite or in 1v1 vs. certain opponents (wizards and other Psys). It's not something you're supposed to camp at all times with black as the secondary; no, you want to attempt to kill the opponent quick as possible before they can even hit you, and for that you need more damage. Likewise, your defense against mages should be fair enough that you can tank a hit or two from them in black and Psy will is there to cover you from physical DDs.
SoStun is nice to waste people's antistun sometimes. Unless they're an archer and have infinite antistuns, I like making them pop it before they even engage me (unless it's fortify. i hate fortify).
Even if you're moderately well geared, 3rd cast sins CAN oneshot you even in white voodoo if you're only selfbuffed. I have 5.8k pdef without buffs and get zerkcrit by sins for over 10k dmg in white with omalley's and 3rd cast archers hit me 5ks easily.
If you're one of those people that sins love to target first for some reason in group pvp, I'd recommend staying in white while waiting around in order so that when they do unstealth you're not instakilled by the first hit or 2. For good sins, psy will is usually not enough to do anything as they will just use their water skill and then sleep you or seal+immobilize.0
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