Wiz skills

yeah good news for mages [especially sage]
Spam that bliding blaze now, they have fixed the proc timing on it and it lasts full 3 seconds. Only downside to that is, it can be purified easily by any purifying method, so HAH! 1 spark wasted.

Also i was impressed with that crown of flame over-time damage, u can basically spam it and do decent over-time damage. Not to mention that tactical reversion is a free control skill now costs 20 chi.

So they didn't even buf lvl 10 and lower crown of flame?
Damnit, now it's still useles for me. I have been trying to find the skillbook, but nowhere b:cry

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

noob.

i got it 2 years ago

Well it was useless
I left it at lvl 1 as a mob finisher b:surrender

Skite - Lost City wrote: »

So true. ^
Although sometimes the DoT actually kills something. b:avoid

Not at lvl 1. They heal faster than it damages them b:laugh

petrojohn wrote: »

My opinion is that this so called "skill balance" is so full of **** for wizzards. They took the most useless skills, and managed to make them less useless.
I leveled up my sage wizzy for over 3 years only to be able to TW, because it was hard to level up, but in the end, the result was awesome.
So, we used to be squishy, but us, the wizzards, were the only class that had the capability to 1-hit the rest classes that had same gear as ours. We used to have ranged AoE skills that were making some serious damage to all other classes. The dissadvantage was that we were easy targets.
Now, wizzards = FAIL.
We need 7~10 seconds to make some other class just to tick their charm, but ALL the rest classes can kill us in 4~5 seconds, except mystics (i think that in the next update they will "fix" this issue also).

All of the above is for toons with the same gears (R9/R9 or TT99/TT99, whatever).

Allthough i am full R9 full JoSD +12, i will NOT go for recast, because it will make NO difference at all when i will face another recasted toon. All those years i was unable to farm cannies/TT gears, i was the "weak link" in bh's, it was hard as hell to level up, and i kept on because of the TW thing. I believe the same thing goes for the rest old wizzards on all servers.

As an outcome of all of the above, i will not TW any more. I would love to see those barbs go inside the base and no one to be able to kill them (untill the next update ofc, when PWI will decide that sins are barb killers or make another class). Untill then propably i will only do my Morai, help some friends and stuff like that.

GusWiZ

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but wizzies are one of the top classes atm. We are actually a very difficult class to kill due to stone barrier, arcane defense, blink, and being a ranged class (don't need to run into an enemy squad to attack, can sit safely near the edge of our range). On top of being difficult to kill, we hit hard + have fantastic debuffs (undine + spark = lulz). Although we didn't get as much benefit from the patch as say bms and venos, tactical/mortal reversion are incredible in pvp. I really cannot relate to anything from your post, and I think your complaints about the class are very misinformed/misguided. I also sincerely doubt you are full r9 +12 josd if you think any other class can kill you in 4-5 seconds.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but wizzies are one of the top classes atm. We are actually a very difficult class to kill due to stone barrier, arcane defense, blink, and being a ranged class (don't need to run into an enemy squad to attack, can sit safely near the edge of our range). On top of being difficult to kill, we hit hard + have fantastic debuffs (undine + spark = lulz). Although we didn't get as much benefit from the patch as say bms and venos, tactical/mortal reversion are incredible in pvp. I really cannot relate to anything from your post, and I think your complaints about the class are very misinformed/misguided. I also sincerely doubt you are full r9 +12 josd if you think any other class can kill you in 4-5 seconds.

Well, you can come in RT server and you can ask or we can meet.
My point is that the rest classes got better skills than we did. We need 4,5 sec's to cast an AoE when in 4,5 sec's we can get debuffed and get 1~2 crit hits + 1 normal hit from an archer. Sins also can stun us and kill us in that time, psycs the same, bm's can stun & change to claws ........... (with the same gears/refines as allways).
Anyway, i don't smoke anything that you maybe be familiar with or have in mind. What i mean is that i would be pleased if, for example, ES was 1-spark, or maybe IP's stun was for 6 seconds, or even get some more % of pdef from stone shield.
But hunting down a barb and using Tactical Rev and saving 30 chi is nothing of a great importance, espacially when you are sage.
Crown of flame? You will do what? Hit IG and start spamming CoF in the middle of an enemy squad? Get serious. You know, i do have a wizzy for a really long time, and my wizzy is the only toon i play.

Don't get me wrong, but i DID level up my wizzy w/o help from others. It was hard as hell to get here, especially when no one wanted a wizzard in bh's. No one wanted a wizzard in TT, no one wanted a wizzard in Nirvana, so i had to do a lot of stuff, as most of the OLD wizzards, the hard way.

The reason that i am talking like this is not because i think that the skills are useless, but because they are NOT balanced if you take under consideration what the rest classes got.

And yes, in a TW you are trying to kill enemy SQUADS not just 1 target. That was the wizzy concept, and if you are a wizzy old enough, you should remember that.
What you say about you can't relate anything i say in my previous post is propably a different point of view of the class. Your goal is to kill 1, but when i started the wizzard (the most difficult class to level up back then), the goal was to be a squad killer. Your lack of knowledge of the past is obvious, or you are inexperienced in TW's.

I would suggest instead of trying to persuade your self and others that everything is balanced, to just try to consider your self in a balanced TW in DD power/people where you spark, drop AoE, and no one dies (that is IF you sneak up on an experienced enemy squad). And when you try to run away you are getting stunned and killed from the whole enemy squad in 2 seconds.

GusWiZ

petrojohn wrote: »

Well, you can come in RT server and you can ask or we can meet.
My point is that the rest classes got better skills than we did. We need 4,5 sec's to cast an AoE when in 4,5 sec's we can get debuffed and get 1~2 crit hits + 1 normal hit from an archer. Sins also can stun us and kill us in that time, psycs the same, bm's can stun & change to claws ........... (with the same gears/refines as allways).
Anyway, i don't smoke anything that you maybe be familiar with or have in mind. What i mean is that i would be pleased if, for example, ES was 1-spark, or maybe IP's stun was for 6 seconds, or even get some more % of pdef from stone shield.
But hunting down a barb and using Tactical Rev and saving 30 chi is nothing of a great importance, espacially when you are sage.
Crown of flame? You will do what? Hit IG and start spamming CoF in the middle of an enemy squad? Get serious. You know, i do have a wizzy for a really long time, and my wizzy is the only toon i play.

Don't get me wrong, but i DID level up my wizzy w/o help from others. It was hard as hell to get here, especially when no one wanted a wizzard in bh's. No one wanted a wizzard in TT, no one wanted a wizzard in Nirvana, so i had to do a lot of stuff, as most of the OLD wizzards, the hard way.

The reason that i am talking like this is not because i think that the skills are useless, but because they are NOT balanced if you take under consideration what the rest classes got.

And yes, in a TW you are trying to kill enemy SQUADS not just 1 target. That was the wizzy concept, and if you are a wizzy old enough, you should remember that.
What you say about you can't relate anything i say in my previous post is propably a different point of view of the class. Your goal is to kill 1, but when i started the wizzard (the most difficult class to level up back then), the goal was to be a squad killer. Your lack of knowledge of the past is obvious, or you are inexperienced in TW's.

I would suggest instead of trying to persuade your self and others that everything is balanced, to just try to consider your self in a balanced TW in DD power/people where you spark, drop AoE, and no one dies (that is IF you sneak up on an experienced enemy squad). And when you try to run away you are getting stunned and killed from the whole enemy squad in 2 seconds.

GusWiZ

If you are really r9 +12 josd, you'd know that other classes have a hell of a time killing you. Nothing can kill you 1v1 without a triple spark or heavy debuffs/amps (usually they need both), and that is exactly why we have genie/apoth/kiting to deal with those situations. You don't just drop in 4-5 seconds out of the blue from auto attacks.. and you thinking that is common makes me strongly suspect you are not r9 +12 josd (or even close).

As for your proposed improvements for the wizard, they are unnecessary and would totally break any balance that is currently in place. The boosts from the patch were useful for wizzies, and were meant to better balance the classes (which is why BMs and venos got larger boosts than we did, and I tend to think they could have gotten even better boosts tbh).

And I laugh that you think it was tough leveling in the days of hyper/BHs and not being able to get in nv squads etc. An "old wizard" would be referencing the old zhen parties, leveling at fish, and doing GV, when it was actually time consuming to level your character, not the new instances you mentioned lol. Don't even try to call yourself an old wizard, you are obviously part of the hyper noob generation.

Your assumptions about me are way off base, and it's obvious you like to make excuses for your own shortcomings. It isn't the class that needs improvement, it's you.

petrojohn wrote: »

My opinion is that this so called "skill balance" is so full of **** for wizzards. They took the most useless skills, and managed to make them less useless.
I leveled up my sage wizzy for over 3 years only to be able to TW, because it was hard to level up, but in the end, the result was awesome.
So, we used to be squishy, but us, the wizzards, were the only class that had the capability to 1-hit the rest classes that had same gear as ours. We used to have ranged AoE skills that were making some serious damage to all other classes. The dissadvantage was that we were easy targets.
Now, wizzards = FAIL.
We need 7~10 seconds to make some other class just to tick their charm, but ALL the rest classes can kill us in 4~5 seconds, except mystics (i think that in the next update they will "fix" this issue also).

I was with you all the way, brother. That is, until you wrote this:

petrojohn wrote: »

Allthough i am full R9 full JoSD +12 . . . .

Look me up in game, brother. We need to talk. With your gear and a decent genie - yes, there are others that are FAR better with that gear, granted - but you should be having tons of fun in TW and be a major threat. Either your just not doing the class right, or you are in a tw faction that can't support you properly so that you are getting swarmed with sins and archers. But either way, something is seriously wrong with your in game experience. The good news is, though, it can be fixed. You just need some help is all.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Ignore this. The substance of most of what he's said is true, but he is far to much a wizard cheerleader to view the class objectively and understand what trouble you are having.

rofl, "everything he says is true, but don't listen to him anyway cuz I don't like him!" Only Bloodmystic b:chuckle

I really hate to see people complaining when they've got it good, wizards are easily one of the best pvp classes, those that complain are generally just noob.

You are still making reference to 1vs1.
My statement was clear. TW. Well, ofc you can try to 3-spark and AoE only on 1 guy, but unfortunatelly the other player can also 3-spark or AD and make you loose the advantage. These are things and situations we deal all the time in a TW.
Anyway, as i allready said too many times, the issue is not 1vs1. It is 1 wizzy against a full squad with same gears refines. What i am saying is that we USED to be squad killers to oposite squads with SAME gears/refines, and now this is something impossible.

And i would agree with you, you have no idea who i am (i mean my toon, no offence). And yes, i have been through all of this stuff, and just to know i farmed my R9 and CS for the refines from +6 -> +12).
I would also agree with you that it is rather easy to kill only 1 with the wizzy nomatter where you are, but again, NOT a squad. That is my point.

So if you still want to say that a wizzy is awesome 1vs1, spair your breath. I agree, but this is not the issue.

The point of what i said was that in a TW against same geared/refined toons you are not a squad killer, something that you used to be. You are something like an arcane sin with long channeling and really good damage, since your AoE can't kill any more.

@Sirrobert
read my original post and you will see that i am refering to TW and not 1vs1. If we all could read/listen more carrefully, we could all learn a lot of extra things (no exceptions made, even for me that allthough i watched the videos i didn't see anything that i allready didn't know). If this sin was to pop up on you in a TW knowning your gears, he would have waited for the order to assist-attack on you, except if he would feel really lucky and zerk-crit 2~3 times.

GusWiZ

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Do you honestly expect to just one shot everything you hit? Is that what you think balance is?

No, he seems to expect to be able to solo an entire TW squad.

damn u kids suck, time to start recording videos to show u guys how to play a wizard =S

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

hahaha b:laugh Please do start posting vids, just don't cover up the chat.. that's my favorite part of watching you pk b:chuckle

it's ok u know u missed me b:cute

Yeah i had no idea this thread took off lol thanks for the replys though