Wiz skills

Arjunro - Heavens Tear

So since my patch is taking forever, is there anything they changed for wizard skills not mention in patch notes? that we don't like or do?

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

yeah good news for mages [especially sage]
Spam that bliding blaze now, they have fixed the proc timing on it and it lasts full 3 seconds. Only downside to that is, it can be purified easily by any purifying method, so HAH! 1 spark wasted.

Also i was impressed with that crown of flame over-time damage, u can basically spam it and do decent over-time damage. Not to mention that tactical reversion is a free control skill now costs 20 chi.

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

yeah good news for mages [especially sage]
Spam that bliding blaze now, they have fixed the proc timing on it and it lasts full 3 seconds. Only downside to that is, it can be purified easily by any purifying method, so HAH! 1 spark wasted.

Also i was impressed with that crown of flame over-time damage, u can basically spam it and do decent over-time damage. Not to mention that tactical reversion is a free control skill now costs 20 chi.

I love the chi cost of tactical reversion! SO much better then before!

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

So they didn't even buf lvl 10 and lower crown of flame?
Damnit, now it's still useles for me. I have been trying to find the skillbook, but nowhere b:cry

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So they didn't even buf lvl 10 and lower crown of flame?
Damnit, now it's still useles for me. I have been trying to find the skillbook, but nowhere b:cry

noob.

i got it 2 years ago

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

noob.

i got it 2 years ago

Well it was useless
I left it at lvl 1 as a mob finisher b:surrender

Skite - Lost City

So true. ^
Although sometimes the DoT actually kills something. b:avoid

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Skite - Lost City wrote: »

So true. ^
Although sometimes the DoT actually kills something. b:avoid

Not at lvl 1. They heal faster than it damages them b:laugh

petrojohn

My opinion is that this so called "skill balance" is so full of **** for wizzards. They took the most useless skills, and managed to make them less useless.
I leveled up my sage wizzy for over 3 years only to be able to TW, because it was hard to level up, but in the end, the result was awesome.
So, we used to be squishy, but us, the wizzards, were the only class that had the capability to 1-hit the rest classes that had same gear as ours. We used to have ranged AoE skills that were making some serious damage to all other classes. The dissadvantage was that we were easy targets.
Now, wizzards = FAIL.
We need 7~10 seconds to make some other class just to tick their charm, but ALL the rest classes can kill us in 4~5 seconds, except mystics (i think that in the next update they will "fix" this issue also).

All of the above is for toons with the same gears (R9/R9 or TT99/TT99, whatever).

Allthough i am full R9 full JoSD +12, i will NOT go for recast, because it will make NO difference at all when i will face another recasted toon. All those years i was unable to farm cannies/TT gears, i was the "weak link" in bh's, it was hard as hell to level up, and i kept on because of the TW thing. I believe the same thing goes for the rest old wizzards on all servers.

As an outcome of all of the above, i will not TW any more. I would love to see those barbs go inside the base and no one to be able to kill them (untill the next update ofc, when PWI will decide that sins are barb killers or make another class). Untill then propably i will only do my Morai, help some friends and stuff like that.

GusWiZ

Adroit - Lost City

petrojohn wrote: »

My opinion is that this so called "skill balance" is so full of **** for wizzards. They took the most useless skills, and managed to make them less useless.
I leveled up my sage wizzy for over 3 years only to be able to TW, because it was hard to level up, but in the end, the result was awesome.
So, we used to be squishy, but us, the wizzards, were the only class that had the capability to 1-hit the rest classes that had same gear as ours. We used to have ranged AoE skills that were making some serious damage to all other classes. The dissadvantage was that we were easy targets.
Now, wizzards = FAIL.
We need 7~10 seconds to make some other class just to tick their charm, but ALL the rest classes can kill us in 4~5 seconds, except mystics (i think that in the next update they will "fix" this issue also).

All of the above is for toons with the same gears (R9/R9 or TT99/TT99, whatever).

Allthough i am full R9 full JoSD +12, i will NOT go for recast, because it will make NO difference at all when i will face another recasted toon. All those years i was unable to farm cannies/TT gears, i was the "weak link" in bh's, it was hard as hell to level up, and i kept on because of the TW thing. I believe the same thing goes for the rest old wizzards on all servers.

As an outcome of all of the above, i will not TW any more. I would love to see those barbs go inside the base and no one to be able to kill them (untill the next update ofc, when PWI will decide that sins are barb killers or make another class). Untill then propably i will only do my Morai, help some friends and stuff like that.

GusWiZ

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but wizzies are one of the top classes atm. We are actually a very difficult class to kill due to stone barrier, arcane defense, blink, and being a ranged class (don't need to run into an enemy squad to attack, can sit safely near the edge of our range). On top of being difficult to kill, we hit hard + have fantastic debuffs (undine + spark = lulz). Although we didn't get as much benefit from the patch as say bms and venos, tactical/mortal reversion are incredible in pvp. I really cannot relate to anything from your post, and I think your complaints about the class are very misinformed/misguided. I also sincerely doubt you are full r9 +12 josd if you think any other class can kill you in 4-5 seconds.

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

purify b:dirty

petrojohn

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but wizzies are one of the top classes atm. We are actually a very difficult class to kill due to stone barrier, arcane defense, blink, and being a ranged class (don't need to run into an enemy squad to attack, can sit safely near the edge of our range). On top of being difficult to kill, we hit hard + have fantastic debuffs (undine + spark = lulz). Although we didn't get as much benefit from the patch as say bms and venos, tactical/mortal reversion are incredible in pvp. I really cannot relate to anything from your post, and I think your complaints about the class are very misinformed/misguided. I also sincerely doubt you are full r9 +12 josd if you think any other class can kill you in 4-5 seconds.

Well, you can come in RT server and you can ask or we can meet.
My point is that the rest classes got better skills than we did. We need 4,5 sec's to cast an AoE when in 4,5 sec's we can get debuffed and get 1~2 crit hits + 1 normal hit from an archer. Sins also can stun us and kill us in that time, psycs the same, bm's can stun & change to claws ........... (with the same gears/refines as allways).
Anyway, i don't smoke anything that you maybe be familiar with or have in mind. What i mean is that i would be pleased if, for example, ES was 1-spark, or maybe IP's stun was for 6 seconds, or even get some more % of pdef from stone shield.
But hunting down a barb and using Tactical Rev and saving 30 chi is nothing of a great importance, espacially when you are sage.
Crown of flame? You will do what? Hit IG and start spamming CoF in the middle of an enemy squad? Get serious. You know, i do have a wizzy for a really long time, and my wizzy is the only toon i play.

Don't get me wrong, but i DID level up my wizzy w/o help from others. It was hard as hell to get here, especially when no one wanted a wizzard in bh's. No one wanted a wizzard in TT, no one wanted a wizzard in Nirvana, so i had to do a lot of stuff, as most of the OLD wizzards, the hard way.

The reason that i am talking like this is not because i think that the skills are useless, but because they are NOT balanced if you take under consideration what the rest classes got.

And yes, in a TW you are trying to kill enemy SQUADS not just 1 target. That was the wizzy concept, and if you are a wizzy old enough, you should remember that.
What you say about you can't relate anything i say in my previous post is propably a different point of view of the class. Your goal is to kill 1, but when i started the wizzard (the most difficult class to level up back then), the goal was to be a squad killer. Your lack of knowledge of the past is obvious, or you are inexperienced in TW's.

I would suggest instead of trying to persuade your self and others that everything is balanced, to just try to consider your self in a balanced TW in DD power/people where you spark, drop AoE, and no one dies (that is IF you sneak up on an experienced enemy squad). And when you try to run away you are getting stunned and killed from the whole enemy squad in 2 seconds.

GusWiZ

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

I agree Wizard is a class that should be able to drop squads of equally geared people solo, especially considering how fragile we are as class (yknow... low pdef, crappy CC, inability to manipulate distance, etc)

right...

the only thing wizards lack is an anti stun, tyvm r999.

more spammable ranged aoe skills would be nice (an earth/fire equivalent of hailstorm) would also be overkill

Has wizard focus changed? sure. Did our skill update suck? yup! Are we a weaker pvp/tw class? hardly b:bye

Adroit - Lost City

petrojohn wrote: »

Well, you can come in RT server and you can ask or we can meet.
My point is that the rest classes got better skills than we did. We need 4,5 sec's to cast an AoE when in 4,5 sec's we can get debuffed and get 1~2 crit hits + 1 normal hit from an archer. Sins also can stun us and kill us in that time, psycs the same, bm's can stun & change to claws ........... (with the same gears/refines as allways).
Anyway, i don't smoke anything that you maybe be familiar with or have in mind. What i mean is that i would be pleased if, for example, ES was 1-spark, or maybe IP's stun was for 6 seconds, or even get some more % of pdef from stone shield.
But hunting down a barb and using Tactical Rev and saving 30 chi is nothing of a great importance, espacially when you are sage.
Crown of flame? You will do what? Hit IG and start spamming CoF in the middle of an enemy squad? Get serious. You know, i do have a wizzy for a really long time, and my wizzy is the only toon i play.

Don't get me wrong, but i DID level up my wizzy w/o help from others. It was hard as hell to get here, especially when no one wanted a wizzard in bh's. No one wanted a wizzard in TT, no one wanted a wizzard in Nirvana, so i had to do a lot of stuff, as most of the OLD wizzards, the hard way.

The reason that i am talking like this is not because i think that the skills are useless, but because they are NOT balanced if you take under consideration what the rest classes got.

And yes, in a TW you are trying to kill enemy SQUADS not just 1 target. That was the wizzy concept, and if you are a wizzy old enough, you should remember that.
What you say about you can't relate anything i say in my previous post is propably a different point of view of the class. Your goal is to kill 1, but when i started the wizzard (the most difficult class to level up back then), the goal was to be a squad killer. Your lack of knowledge of the past is obvious, or you are inexperienced in TW's.

I would suggest instead of trying to persuade your self and others that everything is balanced, to just try to consider your self in a balanced TW in DD power/people where you spark, drop AoE, and no one dies (that is IF you sneak up on an experienced enemy squad). And when you try to run away you are getting stunned and killed from the whole enemy squad in 2 seconds.

GusWiZ

If you are really r9 +12 josd, you'd know that other classes have a hell of a time killing you. Nothing can kill you 1v1 without a triple spark or heavy debuffs/amps (usually they need both), and that is exactly why we have genie/apoth/kiting to deal with those situations. You don't just drop in 4-5 seconds out of the blue from auto attacks.. and you thinking that is common makes me strongly suspect you are not r9 +12 josd (or even close).

As for your proposed improvements for the wizard, they are unnecessary and would totally break any balance that is currently in place. The boosts from the patch were useful for wizzies, and were meant to better balance the classes (which is why BMs and venos got larger boosts than we did, and I tend to think they could have gotten even better boosts tbh).

And I laugh that you think it was tough leveling in the days of hyper/BHs and not being able to get in nv squads etc. An "old wizard" would be referencing the old zhen parties, leveling at fish, and doing GV, when it was actually time consuming to level your character, not the new instances you mentioned lol. Don't even try to call yourself an old wizard, you are obviously part of the hyper noob generation.

Your assumptions about me are way off base, and it's obvious you like to make excuses for your own shortcomings. It isn't the class that needs improvement, it's you.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

petrojohn wrote: »

Well, you can come in RT server and you can ask or we can meet.
My point is that the rest classes got better skills than we did. We need 4,5 sec's to cast an AoE when in 4,5 sec's we can get debuffed and get 1~2 crit hits + 1 normal hit from an archer. Sins also can stun us and kill us in that time, psycs the same, bm's can stun & change to claws ........... (with the same gears/refines as allways).
Anyway, i don't smoke anything that you maybe be familiar with or have in mind. What i mean is that i would be pleased if, for example, ES was 1-spark, or maybe IP's stun was for 6 seconds, or even get some more % of pdef from stone shield.
But hunting down a barb and using Tactical Rev and saving 30 chi is nothing of a great importance, espacially when you are sage.
Crown of flame? You will do what? Hit IG and start spamming CoF in the middle of an enemy squad? Get serious. You know, i do have a wizzy for a really long time, and my wizzy is the only toon i play.

Don't get me wrong, but i DID level up my wizzy w/o help from others. It was hard as hell to get here, especially when no one wanted a wizzard in bh's. No one wanted a wizzard in TT, no one wanted a wizzard in Nirvana, so i had to do a lot of stuff, as most of the OLD wizzards, the hard way.

The reason that i am talking like this is not because i think that the skills are useless, but because they are NOT balanced if you take under consideration what the rest classes got.

And yes, in a TW you are trying to kill enemy SQUADS not just 1 target. That was the wizzy concept, and if you are a wizzy old enough, you should remember that.
What you say about you can't relate anything i say in my previous post is propably a different point of view of the class. Your goal is to kill 1, but when i started the wizzard (the most difficult class to level up back then), the goal was to be a squad killer. Your lack of knowledge of the past is obvious, or you are inexperienced in TW's.

I would suggest instead of trying to persuade your self and others that everything is balanced, to just try to consider your self in a balanced TW in DD power/people where you spark, drop AoE, and no one dies (that is IF you sneak up on an experienced enemy squad). And when you try to run away you are getting stunned and killed from the whole enemy squad in 2 seconds.

GusWiZ

Equal geared people kill you in 3 hits?
Cause this an equal geared wizard and sin (OMFG THE MOST OP THING EVA) going 1v1.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1516411
Thread even contains a link to youtubeslow, so you can use it to analyze the play. Maybe you could learn something.


Saving 30chi might not be alot it you use 2 sparks on the skill, but dropping the chi cost by over 50% is alot, nomather what the actual number is.

I like how you talk about crown of flame though.
Here's the situation: You are fighting a charmed barb. You can't 1shot the barb, or bypass his charm with a nuke. So you have to kill him in 10 seconds, before his charm ticks again.
You get him down to 55%, and you hit him with a crown of flame. His charm ticks, and the DoT will deal an extra 200% weapon damage AFTER the charmtick.
That's almost a pyrogram, that you have EXTRA damage in the 10 seconds you have. Might not sound like alot, but whenever I'm in these situations the other guy only needs 1 more hit to kill him before his charm ticks

Also it simply deals more damage than a Stone Rain, and is alot faster.
O and DoT's still deal damage after a sin stealthed and ran. Who knows the extra ticks kill him before he gets away. Most sins stealth either while invincible, or almost dead.
O and DoT dmg still deals damage while a barb is invoked

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

petrojohn wrote: »

My opinion is that this so called "skill balance" is so full of **** for wizzards. They took the most useless skills, and managed to make them less useless.
I leveled up my sage wizzy for over 3 years only to be able to TW, because it was hard to level up, but in the end, the result was awesome.
So, we used to be squishy, but us, the wizzards, were the only class that had the capability to 1-hit the rest classes that had same gear as ours. We used to have ranged AoE skills that were making some serious damage to all other classes. The dissadvantage was that we were easy targets.
Now, wizzards = FAIL.
We need 7~10 seconds to make some other class just to tick their charm, but ALL the rest classes can kill us in 4~5 seconds, except mystics (i think that in the next update they will "fix" this issue also).

I was with you all the way, brother. That is, until you wrote this:

petrojohn wrote: »

Allthough i am full R9 full JoSD +12 . . . .

Look me up in game, brother. We need to talk. With your gear and a decent genie - yes, there are others that are FAR better with that gear, granted - but you should be having tons of fun in TW and be a major threat. Either your just not doing the class right, or you are in a tw faction that can't support you properly so that you are getting swarmed with sins and archers. But either way, something is seriously wrong with your in game experience. The good news is, though, it can be fixed. You just need some help is all.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I don't know wtf you are smoking, but wizzies are one of the top classes atm. We are actually a very difficult class to kill due to stone barrier, arcane defense, blink, and being a ranged class (don't need to run into an enemy squad to attack, can sit safely near the edge of our range). On top of being difficult to kill, we hit hard + have fantastic debuffs (undine + spark = lulz). Although we didn't get as much benefit from the patch as say bms and venos, tactical/mortal reversion are incredible in pvp. I really cannot relate to anything from your post, and I think your complaints about the class are very misinformed/misguided. I also sincerely doubt you are full r9 +12 josd if you think any other class can kill you in 4-5 seconds.

Ignore this. The substance of most of what he's said is true, but he is far to much a wizard cheerleader to view the class objectively and understand what trouble you are having.

Even played perfectly, the wizard is middle of the pack at best compared to other classes in endgame gear. But in group pvp (TW and now NW) we are near the top 3 or 4. If you aren't rocking those, as I said, you are either doing something wrong or you aren't being supported properly - or both.

Oh, and since 2nd cast r9 is basically free now, and no cost to transfer gems/refine, you should definitely do it. Chest first I'd say for +5% more hp, then whichever piece gives you 300 more pdef (boots? idk), then weapon, then the rest in no particular order.

Adroit - Lost City

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Ignore this. The substance of most of what he's said is true, but he is far to much a wizard cheerleader to view the class objectively and understand what trouble you are having.

rofl, "everything he says is true, but don't listen to him anyway cuz I don't like him!" Only Bloodmystic b:chuckle

I really hate to see people complaining when they've got it good, wizards are easily one of the best pvp classes, those that complain are generally just noob.

Pearlwood - Lost City

Wizards rule but its not easy or everybody would be a wizard. Gotta have brains or money. Now if you have both, then... well.

petrojohn

You are still making reference to 1vs1.
My statement was clear. TW. Well, ofc you can try to 3-spark and AoE only on 1 guy, but unfortunatelly the other player can also 3-spark or AD and make you loose the advantage. These are things and situations we deal all the time in a TW.
Anyway, as i allready said too many times, the issue is not 1vs1. It is 1 wizzy against a full squad with same gears refines. What i am saying is that we USED to be squad killers to oposite squads with SAME gears/refines, and now this is something impossible.

And i would agree with you, you have no idea who i am (i mean my toon, no offence). And yes, i have been through all of this stuff, and just to know i farmed my R9 and CS for the refines from +6 -> +12).
I would also agree with you that it is rather easy to kill only 1 with the wizzy nomatter where you are, but again, NOT a squad. That is my point.

So if you still want to say that a wizzy is awesome 1vs1, spair your breath. I agree, but this is not the issue.

The point of what i said was that in a TW against same geared/refined toons you are not a squad killer, something that you used to be. You are something like an arcane sin with long channeling and really good damage, since your AoE can't kill any more.

@Sirrobert
read my original post and you will see that i am refering to TW and not 1vs1. If we all could read/listen more carrefully, we could all learn a lot of extra things (no exceptions made, even for me that allthough i watched the videos i didn't see anything that i allready didn't know). If this sin was to pop up on you in a TW knowning your gears, he would have waited for the order to assist-attack on you, except if he would feel really lucky and zerk-crit 2~3 times.

GusWiZ

Adroit - Lost City

petrojohn wrote: »

You are still making reference to 1vs1.
My statement was clear. TW. Well, ofc you can try to 3-spark and AoE only on 1 guy, but unfortunatelly the other player can also 3-spark or AD and make you loose the advantage. These are things and situations we deal all the time in a TW.
Anyway, as i allready said too many times, the issue is not 1vs1. It is 1 wizzy against a full squad with same gears refines. What i am saying is that we USED to be squad killers to oposite squads with SAME gears/refines, and now this is something impossible.

And i would agree with you, you have no idea who i am (i mean my toon, no offence). And yes, i have been through all of this stuff, and just to know i farmed my R9 and CS for the refines from +6 -> +12).
I would also agree with you that it is rather easy to kill only 1 with the wizzy nomatter where you are, but again, NOT a squad. That is my point.

So if you still want to say that a wizzy is awesome 1vs1, spair your breath. I agree, but this is not the issue.

The point of what i said was that in a TW against same geared/refined toons you are not a squad killer, something that you used to be. You are something like an arcane sin with long channeling and really good damage, since your AoE can't kill any more.

@Sirrobert
read my original post and you will see that i am refering to TW and not 1vs1. If we all could read/listen more carrefully, we could all learn a lot of extra things (no exceptions made, even for me that allthough i watched the videos i didn't see anything that i allready didn't know). If this sin was to pop up on you in a TW knowning your gears, he would have waited for the order to assist-attack on you, except if he would feel really lucky and zerk-crit 2~3 times.

GusWiZ

Do you honestly expect to just one shot everything you hit? Is that what you think balance is?

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Do you honestly expect to just one shot everything you hit? Is that what you think balance is?

No, he seems to expect to be able to solo an entire TW squad.

Pearlwood - Lost City

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, he seems to expect to be able to solo an entire TW squad.

He don't know what to expect.

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

damn u kids suck, time to start recording videos to show u guys how to play a wizard =S

Adroit - Lost City

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

damn u kids suck, time to start recording videos to show u guys how to play a wizard =S

hahaha b:laugh Please do start posting vids, just don't cover up the chat.. that's my favorite part of watching you pk b:chuckle

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

hahaha b:laugh Please do start posting vids, just don't cover up the chat.. that's my favorite part of watching you pk b:chuckle

it's ok u know u missed me b:cute

Adroit - Lost City

U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »

it's ok u know u missed me b:cute

I never said I didn't :P I seriously do want to see the chatbox though if you make vids though b:chuckle

ArsoliCeli - Heavens Tear

Yeah i had no idea this thread took off lol thanks for the replys though