New BH bosses Aba/SoT

Many BMs and Seekers can solo Seat boss, and Aba isn't too hard for aps BM, Sin, and Barb classes, too. Still, its harder to solo than it used to be.

What I think is as much a loss as the books from BH is the people who want their 99 culti done and can't find squads anymore. They used to be able to just find a Seat or Aba squad and the extra bosses weren't really out of the way since it was the last boss in both instances. Many would offer free wine, so the instance would be easier and free they just had 3 more bosses to kill. Now squads don't use wine and don't go near the fb bosses so what can the people needing their culti offer?

Personally, some squads still wine. If they do and I have the time I'll shoot over and kill the last boss for a chance at a book.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

No it`s good they don`t drop anything useful, books become rarer and I can farm seat and make profit. b:cute

Oh yea sure, let's skip something good so you can have your selfish profit, duh.

BlackMorder - Raging Tide wrote: »

Or make the BHs like this: BH Leaf/Sot new boss - BH abba old boss/sot old boss. I mean once we get new bosses, and another time we can get old bosses, not like this that PWI removed old bosses from the BHs...

I like that idea alot. Would make people that need FB have a chance to get it done.b:victory

When i did a post about it when the boss was fresh new people told me ''blablabla you want to kill the challenge in game, let the books in old boss and people will find friends for culti'' well i think people just woke up.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

You can consider it being selfish that you want his market taken away and him to lose money so that you can get cheaper books. Its all in perspective.

How is it selfish to get more people an opportunity to get books via bh versus the ones who got a sin who can solo the cave...?

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is it selfish to get more people an opportunity to get books via bh versus the ones who got a sin who can solo the cave...?

The chance of a book drop to have the additional drop table activated is 10%. Most books for most classes that drop are not worth much. Any class can clear that instance, sins only advantage is that they can bypass mobs so their farming time is less. But I have done tm run for seat, and it took us 10 minutes to do it, 4 person squad. 2 bm, 1 veno, 1 barb.

There are many ways to get things in this game, if you pine away at every possibility of farming for every class except your own, it won't make the game fun. If you do a time/money cost benefit analysis, farming books isn't really that profitable. I did 15 runs over 3 days, and no book dropped. Don't begrudge others what they have, relish what you have and expand on what you can do, much happier way to play for everyone.

Before when the previous BH boss was the bh boss, did people clear the instance to get the book drops? Mostly some sins did it. Nothing has changed now. You can still wine the cave and ask your friends to clear until last boss and kill the boss for you. Nothing has changed, the boss still exists, books still drop. People don't want to do it, that is the problem.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yea, because everyone wants to roll and gear up a sin to the point they can solo. lol

You made the choice of not having a sin... so why should they lose their advantage... it is because you refuse to join them? Face it... those who don't want to make a sin... shouldn't be allow to complain about sins. Just like those who refuse (can't) to get refined r9... shouldn't complain about being killed by r9s.

At least these bosses drop something, I thought that they were only going to drop coins when they were released b:chuckle

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You made the choice of not having a sin... so why should they lose their advantage... it is because you refuse to join them? Face it... those who don't want to make a sin... shouldn't be allow to complain about sins. Just like those who refuse (can't) to get refined r9... shouldn't complain about being killed by r9s.

This games imbalance is all out of whack. And that decreases the longevity the game because it makes it less attractive to new players. Anyone with eyes can see that PWI is new player unfriendly. And that should make everyone upset because it also decreases the value of your purchase by decreasing the longevity of it. Look at other MMOs that have been around as long or longer than PWI. The ones nobody can see an enddate for anytime soon, the ones that devs think games have longer longevity than 3-5 years all have a couple of things in common. First they spend money on ads, and second they have perfect imbalance. This games philosophy is that everyone should have to play the exact same way if they an easy time, and that's pretty stupid. Luckily PWI seems to have caught on to that and has introduced things like g16 and caster nirvana. And put anti aps buffs on new bosses as well as making some of the new instances require teamwork. I'm hoping they stick to that line of thinking, get some more ads out there, and make things more new player friendly.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

But let's face it. You shouldn't have to spend that crapload of coins on a class you don't want to play. And it wouldn't hurt anyone to make the new bosse drop books too.

Why not... my sin is g16... I don't play it at all... not even to farm. The new BH is much shorter then the older ones... especially SOT. Frees up more of my time to do other things.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This games imbalance is all out of whack. And that decreases the longevity the game because it makes it less attractive to new players. Anyone with eyes can see that PWI is new player unfriendly. And that should make everyone upset because it also decreases the value of your purchase by decreasing the longevity of it. Look at other MMOs that have been around as long or longer than PWI. The ones nobody can see an enddate for anytime soon, the ones that devs think games have longer longevity than 3-5 years all have a couple of things in common. First they spend money on ads, and second they have perfect imbalance. This games philosophy is that everyone should have to play the exact same way if they an easy time, and that's pretty stupid. Luckily PWI seems to have caught on to that and has introduced things like g16 and caster nirvana. And put anti aps buffs on new bosses as well as making some of the new instances require teamwork. I'm hoping they stick to that line of thinking, get some more ads out there, and make things more new player friendly.

With all your complaints... you are still here. So obvious any shortcomings is not enough to keep you away. Of course there are going to be imbalances when you are trying to go up against someone who out spent you 10 to 1. Personally... I don't have any problems with anyone in my spending bracket.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I even have my very own 5.0 sin.

LOL. How come everything comes back to 5.0 sin... it seem thats the pinnacle of things. A good MAJORITY of the 5.0s out there are so useless that they can't even tank the most basic bosses. And even more of them will simply die to bramble. Over all... I did notice that those who describe their sin as 5.0... are usually mindless apsers.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LOL. How come everything comes back to 5.0 sin... it seem thats the pinnacle of things. A good MAJORITY of the 5.0s out there are so useless that they can't even tank the most basic bosses. And even more of them will simply die to bramble. Over all... I did notice that those who describe their sin as 5.0... are usually mindless apsers.

Point being if I wanted to farm the bosses, I could. Point being just because I play sin doesn't mean that I can't see the problems they have caused the game. Looking at the big picture, it's a problem to make everything cost more and more money and hand off all off to sins to farm. It limits choice and makes the barrier for entry for new players higher than it needs to be. A lot of people simply don't put up with it. And that's bad for everyone.


edit: And everything doesn't come back to 5.0 sin. You're the one APS obsessed if that's the takeaway you got from my post. IJS

Tbh, I just find this a whatever topic. I wouldn't care if they added books to the new bosses or keep it as it is. I barely noticed a change in the price of the few usefull molds (cape of elite leather mainly) or the good skill books. Revive, wolf emblem and bell pretty much go for the same price as from before the bh change.

I'm strongly opposed to getting back to the old bh seat and aba. No matter how much youtube vids we get of OP-geared ppl soloing aba/seat bh, it's still only a minority that actually can do it and even a smaller minority that can do it in a way worth the extra trouble. In that way, the new bh did force more squad diversity and I notice how, for instance my wizard is more wanted then before. I can solo the new bhs and I could solo the old. Difference : the old ones I prefered to solo cause getting a squad would only tripple the time needed, the new ones I'll get ppl cause I will want the buffs plus more ppl makes the run faster and smoother.

As for ppl not finding help with their culti or chrono... that's just sad. Sais more about the community then indicating a need to change bh. I know : let's make all cultivation and "important quest" bosses a bh so I'll have more "friends" !

*2.86 aps sin lf BH Zun Bao*

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote:

Face it... those who don't want to make a sin... shouldn't be allow to complain about sins. Just like those who refuse (can't) to get refined r9... shouldn't complain about being killed by r9s.

Aaaand that's my cue to chime in, since my existance basically rips a hole in the universe by your standards. :P Let's see now...

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote:

With all your complaints... you are still here. So obvious any shortcomings is not enough to keep you away. Of course there are going to be imbalances when you are trying to go up against someone who out spent you 10 to 1. Personally... I don't have any problems with anyone in my spending bracket.

Way to bring PVP into this when the entire thread is about PVE boss drops. But that aside, I still don't understand why it mystifies you so much that anyone can play a game they have problems with. Is it all just either/or with you? Either you love the game and couldn't find a fault with it if they paid you to, or you wouldn't touch it with a thirty-foot pole out of pure hatred for it? Don't you think it's conceivable that some people would want to challenge the shortcomings in a game because they love it, and maybe wish it would be better?

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just because you are 5 aps... doesn't mean you can tank ****. I am tired of having "5.0" die on me and then cry to me to hold the boss until they come back. I am aps obsessed? I am probably one of the few who could care less about aps... considering I can easily hold my own against whatever "supposedly" farming advantages they have. If a lot of people don't want to put up with it... then freaking leave already. The more of you leave... the better it is for me... no more squading with **** players with less then half of my hp and quarter of my damage.

Once again, missing the point. Books from Peach and Abomination are rarer these days, and so people who are capable of farming those bosses profit ridiculously. The actual method by which they're farmed is irrelevant. It all comes down to the fact that certain people have an unneeded advantage over everyone else in the book-farming department. So if it's proposed that this be changed to give everyone a fair shot, to then see those same people whining about it just proves that they're selfish.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm strongly opposed to getting back to the old bh seat and aba. No matter how much youtube vids we get of OP-geared ppl soloing aba/seat bh, it's still only a minority that actually can do it and even a smaller minority that can do it in a way worth the extra trouble. In that way, the new bh did force more squad diversity and I notice how, for instance my wizard is more wanted then before. I can solo the new bhs and I could solo the old. Difference : the old ones I prefered to solo cause getting a squad would only tripple the time needed, the new ones I'll get ppl cause I will want the buffs plus more ppl makes the run faster and smoother.

Exactly. It is interesting to see how squad makeup has changed for the better with these new bosses. Of course we have the old chestnut of "you need a barb for everything QQQQQQ" like back in the old days, but that's infinitely preferable to aps elitism (and in point of fact, you don't need strictly a barb OR aps people to beat BH Aba/SoT, although it's helpful). For what it's worth, when I put together squads, I start with the core necessities (tank/cleric) and then face the bluewall you tend to get from world chat for DDs... but I never invite more than one sin unless they're both friends. There's enough of them out there. The wizards need some love. :P

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's their own fault, tbh. Nothing is stopping anyone from going to Peaches or Hellfire. Nothing, besides the lack of interest, motivation or doing anything beyond the bare minimum for bh.
This is the playerbases fault, not PWE, not 5.0 sin/BM/archers/whatever, not seekers who gather hordes of mobs and clear it with ease without the need for stealth.
People are lazy.

Whats the motivation for going to final bosses....ummmm how about the subject of this topic? Sure you don't need it for bh anymore, but a book might drop. But no, its all about entitlement...I don't want to go that far, so make the bosses closer to the entrances drop them, that way I don't even have to pay wine for a chance at a book.

It's easy to say everyone else is entitled if you're the person who can farm the same boss a hundred times faster than a person without your particular advantage. :P Even more so if you can solo the boss and not have to split the drops six ways. Maybe if today's aps farmers chose to run with normal squads and split the drops evenly despite their gear, this whole "entitlement" argument would hold more water.