Lunar Again wth

Lunar is actually an awesome BH.

I can bet that about 90% of the people who say they hate Lunar say so because of the opening fee. Then again these are also the same kind of people who complain when they don't get ecstasy or excitement cards from BH.

The other 10%? Probably people who have an issue with Lunar needing a good puller, as those tend to be tough to find.

Me, I like Lunar. It requires a diverse squad but doesn't have the super tough boss nor the waiting period that Warsong has, nor the elitist pigs that affect Delta. In comparison, there's Abaddon which is pretty much just "go to boss, kill", Seat which is pretty much "Go to boss, watch someone die, run to start, kill", Delta, which is pretty much "you're not AoE, do not want" and Warsong, which is pretty much "NEED A TANK!"

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

What do you hate about lunar?

What class do you play?

Why make a post about it?

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1497621
Looks like he did make a post about it! Vote Now.

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could just not do BH that day. I mean, it's not like you don't have tons of quests to do that you skipped for the past 50-60 levels doing FCC. b:chuckle

BUT DOING QUESTS DOES NOT BUY ME 5 APS! b:angryb:cry

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Actually it does
Just... very slow

BRB doing level 1-30 quests on a few million alts to get my 5 aps!

stinks wrote: »

<<didnt power lvl so i have done all my quests.

I do have other things to do in a completly different game.

Alternatively, you could do other runs with friends or faction mates. Game is more than just about you and your stuff.

But hey, to each his own. If you don't want to play because you got Lunar and can't see the rewards in it, your loss.

See ya have fun in your new game.

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

Interesting quote. 5 yrs?


Anyway, the panda has never understood the Lunar hate. Perhaps its because it be one of Fuzzy's favorite instances. Even more so now with the advent of Essence of Def that can be sold to recover the cost.

Beyond the fee, what exactly is everyones problem with it? Find something that even resembles a rainbow squad and go to town. It's not as if it even resembles anything hard. A good barb, or even seeker to pull (or have even been in squads with r9 wiz's who can pull) an its just a big moving aoe zhen squad.

Its fun, its fast, and 1 drop if you go to 3rd valley can recoup the cost.


WTF is everyones problem with it? Fuzzy just not understand.

Not every squad leader shares the essence profit. Most people just try to join a random squad to do BH, they don't really try to form a fixed squad (which may be hard nowdays...) to run BH every day.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmm actually,bh aba was today,yesterday i think was metal..so what the op talkin bout willis?
unless its different on each server.


I think they should make bh random so it will be different than everyone having the same bh all the time.Needs to be like the oht daily,some have blackhole,some have skullhunters..like that.

It's different on each server. Also it's suppose to be random... But it's hard to say when you have 3-4 BH's lunar or metal in a row.

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not every squad leader shares the essence profit.

Who cares about sharing? This panda will put up the entire entry fee against the gains of taking the drops. ...have seen multiple WC's for the same thing on multiple servers.

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

fear of getting chips or a culti orb or...

Sounds almost like alot of posts the panda sees where somehow people feel entitled to mil+cards as a reward.... Entitlement is a syndrome, not a reality.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just curious since I rarely do this BH and have considered giving it a go.

Is killing the Essence of Defence boss normal procedure with most random wc squads? In the past squads used to leave immediately after Hauntry Queen, without killing the last boss for any further drops. And if they do usually go for the essence, is this boss something the average random squad can handle?

Just asking because I've never seen any wc's mention it before. Run BH, get essence, sell to cover fee's, free run... makes a lot of sense. Unless the boss is overpowered and it's a huge ordeal, but I somehow doubt it.

Here is the problem, random world chat squads still want to "glitch" bosses in lunar, because they don't feel confident about their abilities. Lunar mobs do have high hp, so timing is required if people have low dd.

First boss spawns 3 adds, that go in a circle, the glitch is to use casters, archrers, range. Mobs do not agro, boss does not move, takes eons. The normal way is, rush in, agro everything have bb set up, and it's just like a normal boss.

The advanced version of first boss purges, and people tend to die one shot when purged, so people often skip, and losing a badge. Just by collecting badges, you can offer reforge services on your server for 500k~2m per badge, once you get 8~20+. But, hey it's a crazy idea.

The BM wygie boss is fun, he buffs himself often, needs to be purged, and can one shot people. Have seen hits from 20k~60k on different people, classes, gears. His drops are fun, mostly mirages for me.

BH boss

BH boss is easy to kill, any one can tank it, boss does not hit hard.

Advanced version, no problems either.

Cleric Wygie - I always think it is another player standing there, but it's the boss. Fun drops, and helps in lunar mats farming.

Last valley

If people quit after the bh, you have hit the payload. Invite your friends, and share the money with them, and clear out the valley. If people leave, their fault. I often join squads and see that happen, we easily make back 3~10m on lunar days.

Normal version boss = slightly mean to tank, does require dd power, but most squads can handle it. He does purge from time to time. Clerics need to BB straight away after buffing or not buffing, depending on who the tank is. The tank can keep dding, while everyone rebuffs. If there is a sin in squad, use rib strike, it helps, contrary to popular belief. You may not be tanking, but the tank will appreciate it. He also gets increased mag, phy attack buffs. His aoe can hit hard. I believe one is a system damage aoe (constant), the other is magic aoe. He also drops gold mats, which are useful.

This boss can be glitched by range as well, like the first boss. So OP, casters, archers really benefit here, if the squad leaves after bh boss. They can solo everything for a handsome profit.

Advanced version - easy to kill, like most bosses.

Archer wygie - have yet to see an archer spawn one. Mostly done clerics and bm.

My friends are gearing up our alts so we can trio lunar. Not that hard to do. Main problem occurs with random world chat squads, where people do not listen. These mobs are not spark, kill mobs. They do hit hard. If you can't tank mobs, don't take agro, same with bosses, but people fail to remember that. When they fail, naturally they love to fall back on let's glitch these bosses.

In random world chat squads, i end up pulling even if a barb, seeker is present. People don't want to use vacs, or anti-stun skills. Sad but true. In our faction, friends group, some times we do world chat to fill the last spot. It is always fun to take a new person along and tell them things, and show them how it is run. Most of those people appreciate the squad, run, and do enjoy lunar. Some will even join your faction. Lunar is not like nirvana spam runs , unless doing tm lunar b:shutup. TM lunar is a fun thing to do, with a big bonuses if you can do it b:dirty. Most of our tm lunar runs are faction based due to them being run for apoc items mostly, but i am sure other tw factions also do tm lunar regularly. Where else can you get 25 white tea in a jiffy?

LMAO!!!!! XDDD
Todays BH is Lunar again!!!! XDDDDDDDDDDD

Essence pays for the run so the entrance fee complaint is moot.

Any Archer or any 28.5meter+ range mage skills can kill the first AND last boss without the squad having to do anything and die. Hauntry is the easiest of the 3 bosses to kill. All you need is 1 good puller and 1 good aoe class that can tank too and the run is a breeze. I'll assume it's because so many fish class are around the lack of other classes makes it harder to form squads, but other then that I can't see why people hate lunar so much. Boohoo the Reward was chips. Be happy you get anything.

Let's take a stroll down memory lane a second.

Back in the day there was no BH for any rewards. Our rewards came from grinding farming cashshopping or merchanting.

And even when BHs were first released there was no excitement cards. We had a sack of observation (named sack of ****) that gave eyes of observations as a reward... hmmm that's even more useless then chips.... they then revamped it to give ultimate substances. Once Caster Nirvana came out and you could get subs from the talismans making subs near worthless they then revamped it by removing the subs and adding excitement cards.

/rant

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is killing the Essence of Defence boss normal procedure with most random wc squads? In the past squads used to leave immediately after Hauntry Queen, without killing the last boss for any further drops. And if they do usually go for the essence, is this boss something the average random squad can handle?

I always pay for lunar runs that I am on... 3 mil is more or less pocket change to me. The run is free to anyone who wants to join and I do make it clear that its the full lunar with ess going to me. But there are always leechers who think they are cool and leave squad after bh boss... no big deal. More often then not, I end up soloing the first map bosses and tank 2nd and 3rd map. Run is a lot easier to put together when you can solo all bosses without any outside heals.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lunar is...

1... the BH which takes longer than any other BH (even with a good squad)
2... the BH which requires a massive fee to open with no guarantee of smooth run (or even getting to the end of the instance, especially with random squads)
3... the BH which requires more squad coordinations to do pulls or kill the bosses than other BH's
4... the BH which have higher gear/skill/experience requirement than any other BH's
5... the BH whereby you have to burns charm/pots/vacuity powder throughout the whole run... more expenses than any other BH instance.. (especially for the puller)

1. lunar is shorter then metal with a good squad.
2. ess and drops can easily cover open fee and more.
3. what coordination... pop a bb and make sure it doesn't go down... not exactally rocket science.
4. i have a harder time tanking aba/sot then lunar.
5. i am the puller, aoe dd, and tanker... aoe dd burns the most resources by any and all comparsion... even then its the amount of mp pots to keep barrage up with a few perf to fee genie if i need to immune.

luner takes too long, cost too much and the average squad doesn't run it well sooooo i only do it when i have nothing else to do and when its free or when faction needs another DD...

to be honest i would much rather solo a FC so i know i will get 1.2-1.5mill which is about the same if u get ecstasy cards x2 minus the 500k fee...