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  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    People no longer play for fun or enjoy doing instances that require a squad of people. Everyone is too concerned with money and the possible reward for BH. I am always happy to run Lunar as it is a fun instance and drops mats needed for tradeable lunar gear along with the badges and defence essences to make this into G16 gear.
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    luner takes too long, cost too much and the average squad doesn't run it well sooooo i only do it when i have nothing else to do and when its free or when faction needs another DD...

    to be honest i would much rather solo a FC so i know i will get 1.2-1.5mill which is about the same if u get ecstasy cards x2 minus the 500k fee...

    With your reasoning I could say that I would much rather solo a caster and make an approximate 5-15mil a run or solo a TT for higher profit on gold mats. The truth is not everyone is able to solo FC or other instances, lunar is perfect for all the "aoe" classes. And as has been mentioned before if you run to the final boss the fee to open is cancelled out by the essences...
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    3... the BH which requires more squad coordinations to do pulls or kill the bosses than other BH's
    4... the BH which have higher gear/skill/experience requirement than any other BH's
    5... the BH whereby you have to burns charm/pots/vacuity powder throughout the whole run... more expenses than any other BH instance.. (especially for the puller)


    3: Pull the mobs, set up BB and zhen, and wait for them to die.
    Warsong is exactly the same, with stronger mobs.
    4: And how is that a bad thing?
    5: You burn charms in there? Damn you doing something wrong, I'm never charmed and I do just fine.
    But ofcourse, vacuit powders, yea. Those are so extremely expencive. I go broke on having to dig 20 herbs to make the supply I would use in a lunar run. If I didn't have other means of anti stun
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  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    People no longer play for fun or enjoy doing instances that require a squad of people. Everyone is too concerned with money and the possible reward for BH. I am always happy to run Lunar as it is a fun instance and drops mats needed for tradeable lunar gear along with the badges and defence essences to make this into G16 gear.



    With your reasoning I could say that I would much rather solo a caster and make an approximate 5-15mil a run or solo a TT for higher profit on gold mats. The truth is not everyone is able to solo FC or other instances, lunar is perfect for all the "aoe" classes. And as has been mentioned before if you run to the final boss the fee to open is cancelled out by the essences...

    still does not change the fact that i do not enjoy running lunar... b:surrender
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lunar is...

    5... the BH whereby you have to burns charm/pots/vacuity powder throughout the whole run... more expenses than any other BH instance.. (especially for the puller)

    Delta, especially bad squads make me burn far more pots on my bm than lunar can ever do. Vac's make the run go faster, free to farm. I don't know about others, but i farm my apoc and make it. Why would i want to be dead weight? By same token i should never repair, have charms or pots because that increases expense, nor should i upgrade or refine things, because they increase expense.

    If people do not do it, there is no experience/knowledge going to be gained from this instance, and people complain that others are not knowledgeable. Just start convincing people to do it, everyone will figure out how to deal things with their class. I know for seat boss, no spark or cyclone heel, i will take agro. When i had poor gear, i always used my stuns, aoe and stunned as soon as they came out of cool down. I kept my mob stun locked.

    It just feels people don't have the will to do instances because it requires a slightly more complex key pressing.



    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    luner takes too long, cost too much and the average squad doesn't run it well sooooo i only do it when i have nothing else to do and when its free or when faction needs another DD...

    to be honest i would much rather solo a FC so i know i will get 1.2-1.5mill which is about the same if u get ecstasy cards x2 minus the 500k fee...

    How much money are you collecting? What are you going to do with it? Is 500k really so expensive for you, if you can solo FCC?

    Does no one do TM lunar anymore b:shocked?
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Awesome, thanks for the info Jaabg.

    I have done full Lunar before the expansion, so I doubt I'd have much problem with the normal bosses, and from the sounds of it, the advanced bosses aren't much more difficult. Of course, I've been out of the game for a bit and skipped the 2x, so I'm no r9. Anyway, I'll give it a try, bring some tele's incase, and see how it works out.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I always pay for lunar runs that I am on... 3 mil is more or less pocket change to me. The run is free to anyone who wants to join and I do make it clear that its the full lunar with ess going to me. But there are always leechers who think they are cool and leave squad after bh boss... no big deal. More often then not, I end up soloing the first map bosses and tank 2nd and 3rd map. Run is a lot easier to put together when you can solo all bosses without any outside heals.

    Strangely I've never seen anyone offer a free run with essence to fee payer. Personally I wouldn't even care if someone did this and made a little profit on the essence, I mean in exchange I get a hassle-free BH with all the details arranged. Similar to free wine eventually profiting when the winer gets a valuable book, but plenty of people are fine with it. Surprising more people don't pick up on this.
  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

    How much money are you collecting? What are you going to do with it? Is 500k really so expensive for you, if you can solo FCC?

    Does no one do TM lunar anymore b:shocked?

    well seeing that i an trying to get dark death dags/ maybe g16 i dunno yet... i dont have any extra coin much less 500k to maybe throw away... and i dont see anyone just willing to sell the last drop and split it with squad... if that were the case why dont they just say FREE lunar drops to me...
  • XShui - Lost City
    XShui - Lost City Posts: 196 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    LOLLOL. Todays BH is lunar again xDDDDD
    This is getting odd. so many lunar in a row xDD
    To me: I love lunar :P
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    People no longer play for fun or enjoy doing instances that require a squad of people. Everyone is too concerned with money and the possible reward for BH....

    So true. Many have become so profit-driven that they forget that they're supposed to have some fun while running through those instances. Then again, more variety to BH 100s would make things more interesting instead of running through the same areas repeatedly...

    BH Lunar is still my favorite to run through though, especially when you've got a skilled puller<3

    Oh, and slightly off-topic, but does anyone know how the other Wygies behave? I've only seen the Herald of Agony (BM) and a glimpse of Bloodsurge Ultera...
    (I really wish the TB/EG could summon these "powerful" demons too)
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Awesome, thanks for the info Jaabg.

    I have done full Lunar before the expansion, so I doubt I'd have much problem with the normal bosses, and from the sounds of it, the advanced bosses aren't much more difficult. Of course, I've been out of the game for a bit and skipped the 2x, so I'm no r9. Anyway, I'll give it a try, bring some tele's incase, and see how it works out.

    Strangely I've never seen anyone offer a free run with essence to fee payer. Personally I wouldn't even care if someone did this and made a little profit on the essence, I mean in exchange I get a hassle-free BH with all the details arranged. Similar to free wine eventually profiting when the winer gets a valuable book, but plenty of people are fine with it. Surprising more people don't pick up on this.

    On sanctuary those runs happen often, but they are closed groups from my experience. We hardly ever world chat lunar squads, and if the split is equal, we share the final split. If someone pays for the run, they choose mats+essence or essence only. Some people just do lunar to farm essence. During 2x, that is highly profitable, because 2 essences drop. So if you pay for the run, you get 6m back, 3m profit.

    The demand is picking up slowly for essences as people start finishing farming the g16, and some are re-rolling. I farm 20 badge for my daggers and there are others in the group who are still acquiring badges for getting g16 armours. So it should be around.

    The advanced version bosses, are not hard, just require some team work, and people to know what to do. Unlike the right path in lunar b:sad.

    That being said, free runs do happen, but there are maybe 1~5 in a day. Usually 1~2. But better to find people, faction, friends who do lunar. Those who do it, even if you pay, will get the money back and get to see how the new bosses are handled. They have to be activated by the npc that pops up, and leader does that. For the final boss, the boss spawns in the water, but the npc is on land. So we often jimmy around lead so a support dd can start it.
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    well seeing that i an trying to get dark death dags/ maybe g16 i dunno yet... i dont have any extra coin much less 500k to maybe throw away... and i dont see anyone just willing to sell the last drop and split it with squad... if that were the case why dont they just say FREE lunar drops to me...

    Ah i remembre saving for my g15 claws. That was one frustrating time. I ended buying raps around 1.8m, they went to 2m that 2x, and ever since 1.2~1.3m mark. That hurt the pocket, just recovered now 10 months later b:chuckle.
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, and slightly off-topic, but does anyone know how the other Wygies behave? I've only seen the Herald of Agony (BM) and a glimpse of Bloodsurge Ultera...
    (I really wish the TB/EG could summon these "powerful" demons too)

    The bm wygie you know about. Cleric wygie looks like a female character. I have run to that boss countless times thinking she is our cleric only to get hit for 2~3k. Archer wygie also spawns in valley of the bh path. I could be wrong.

    Veno i believe is in tm, never seen it spawn, don't know a veno that has the invitiation. Wizzy is on tm path i think, same thing, no one in our group has a wizzy with it. Not sure about barb one, must be somewhere in tm, or i am mixing archer and barb.

    TM has 4 possible valley to do, the 3 for tm, and one extra. Lunar normal has 1 beginning, and branching off into 3 paths, and each of the three paths going to a different valley. Total of 11 valleys i believe. Some wygies will be somewhere, but haven't run it for wygie only. Sorry can't help more b:surrender

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