Player to Player Real Money Transactions

Not allowed in this game. Will result in permabans.

there is an unamed game that allows this, they seem not to have problems with it. player to player real money transactions already take place no matter if it is against tos or not in tons of games, why not just put it in the game

To shotwhointhewhat: I'd almost believe you're one of their company representatives.
There is no gold here anyway, as it is a F2P version. The Chinese version is P2P though, and there sure are gold farmers there...
I guess I ran out of counter-arguments, so I shall stop here. But again, I see no reason why your proposal should be considered in any form. Just give up on it?
I am not from PWE, btw.

To _Skai_: Great point you made there. Fully agreed.

Some reading for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy

Ive played a game where you could sell chars, coins, items, & even sets of items for RL$

Yes there were a lot more botters in that game & after a while any sense of community disappeared. It didn't ruin the economy though, nor did it take the sale of only high lv chars.
It seemed ppl would spend less for a mid lv char just to get a feel for it or whatever reasons.

That game, despite it continually adding new content, after about 5 years nearly died & now around 7 years only core players & brief newbies exist there.

In any case it sounds like a good idea, but i think it would be counterproductive.


-mog

SOE, really? I mean of all things ironic to defend this company's record, especially on the subject of MMO management, comes pretty close to provocation. Honestly, i strongly suggest you educate yourself before you attempt to post something like this on a gamers' forum...

Now, there's one very basic reason, leaving aside a company's revenue or other practical considerations, for decent players to oppose this on principle. It pretty much kills the game. Yes, you can now pay to win, but there are at least a few checks on what you can get away with. This is time and money. Yes you can buy your way into high levels, but at the very least this still means some minimal game interaction. FCC heads will hardly get you to 100 on a day even with stacks of hypers sitting in your inventory, and still you'd be required to do your cultis and to get some requisite bosses, quest chains and your FB's. The pieces for your final endgame gear you won't collect on a single day either, and you have to invest on getting your skills maxed and sage/demon books. There's still the price of getting a decent tome, a good genie, ameriolation in the form of mounts/flyers/storage, the pure black fashion that will be the cherry on the top of this fool's monument to your ego, and we still haven't quite gotten to considerations such as rerolls, shards and refinements. R9r or G16 vana? There's a premium to pay for those impatient in selling gold in the AH, and finally there's the small issue of educating yourself in matters of gameplay and mechanics, if not to actually play the game, then at the very least to learn the basics of how to spend your money in it.

Now, your proposal is to do away with what few barriers still remain to outright buying your way to the top. No doubt there's plenty of rotten apples out there selling their accounts, although you have to wonder how much they really are getting on a gaming environment that now seems an enemy to most new players, casuals, moderate CSers and f2ps... I for one, would be very pleased to see permabanned anyone engaged in such activities. But here's the reason your idea is such a disproportionate failure it doesn't even work from the company's perspective. Aside from dealing with the massive population drop something like this would bring about, PWI would have to deal with the issue of a cash market dropping the ingame value of pretty much any iten and resource available in the game. For one there would be a very real incentive for botters, hackers and the like to get much more involved, and there's also the problem with established players being suddenly given the chance to get part of their investment back. If you sunk 3 grand into the game you'll be very happy to get even just half of that back if you're now disatisfied with it or thinking of moving to greener pastures. This means loss of revenue, and it will be others, not PWI, who stand to profit.

Now, I don't know who you are. Perhaps your goal is to buy uber leetness, or maybe you just realized that you spent on a computer game much more than you could afford. Either way, you don't strike me as someone particularly knowledgeable or sophisticated in matters pertaining MMO revenue models or ingame economies. Please realize you really shouldn't be making this type of suggestions.

shotwhointhewhat wrote: »

You make some good points, but there are also irrelevant assumptions and falsehoods that make you seem less credible and more like typical internet guru guy.

Look man, I'll grant you I didn't write that post in the best of tones and your comment does have a nice cool ring to it that I might have let your cute "insightful" guru remark slide, except I have to draw the line on the falsehoods thing. I mean, I couldn't care less whether you find my "assumptions" to be relevant or not, but i guess i'll have to call BS on your making accusations, especially when you can't back them up with anything but some vague and cowardly ad hominem.

shotwhointhewhat wrote: »

I never defended SOE. If you read back a bit, I even said it was notorious. I just used it because it is a big name to show the link I provided was a legit company and not some shady black market thing. So please stop falsely claiming I am a defender of SOE and falsely claiming I falsely claim falsehoods. Try to be civil here.

The fact remains someone challenged you, very cleverly I might add, on using SOE as a reference and that you DEFENDED your choice, regardless of whether you think characterizing the company as "notorious" allows you to have it both ways and claim this is a "legit company" while at the same time distancing yourself from its record. You opened this can of worms yourself, and cannot simply try to back out by trying to turn this into some childish semantics debate. It was legitimate for me to challenge the model you claim as an example for succesful implementation of your fail idea, especially with SOE being NOTORIOUS for its record of **** over its own playerbase.

And the fact remains that your comment was dismissive of my post's full content, and if you want to get punctual this is the meaning "irrelevant assumptions" and "falsehoods" conveys. So don't try to get out of it by pretending you're here to have an actual "civil" discussion when you'll dismiss any arguments presented against you off hand and without consideration to the points being made. You did not address the issues on your first response to me, and are now trying to worm your way out of this by continuing to avoid the actual point and trying to distract mine and other reader's attention with this BS strawman.

You insult me, continue to claim I make false statements and you have the nerve to ask me to be civil? Let me put this in terms that you might more easily understand; your idea is idiotic, no player with any measure of common sense will support it, and while you may have started this thread with legitimate intentions it is obvious now that not only are you not interested in actually discussing its merits but that apparently you hold no other intentions but to troll whoever attempts any form of debate. b:bye

shotwhointhewhat wrote: »

Lol... you say I am a fool, broke, unsophisticated, ignorant, idiotic, and unqualified to make suggestions then say I am the one doing the insulting?

You are completely out of touch with reality man. Seems a bit serious. You should go get that checked out.

Typical response of someone that lost a argument and gives a response that insults someone/ something but shows they can't come up with a legit response.

OP reminds me of this guy... cheapskate