Seriously, the hell with this market

Naturion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

TT green matts hardly selling if u dont sell a bunch of stacks for 100-200k, gold matts takes awhile to sell now. Cannies they sell for what around 250k? x534523 freakin nirvana runs getting a stack of cannies selling them all for a retardedly cheap price.
Seriously wth, even if you farm like mad for months we would still not make as much we used to do around 1-2 years ago when everything sold soe asily and when green matts actually sold for abit more then 8 stacks for 100k.

Forgodsakes bring in some new content and not a "new expansion with new instances to do in instances we already have". Well morai stuff a new contant but lol, yah lol at that right? b:chuckleb:laugh . Wouldve been great tho if rank 9 gears was farmable, kinda like lets nirvana that you have to farm a certain amount of matts to make the gears but yah to late for that now anyways.

My opinion make Nirvana drops permanent with x2 drops, and with the x2 drops making it not effected by x2 drops so we get 4 chests per run. That way can atleast farm nirvana daily instead of waiting for x2 all the time and people could actually work for r9 refored 3d set daily.

90% of playerbase is alts and mains which don't need the gear as they can stash it over between them.

10% of the playbase is actually new and most of them get powerleveled and cant afford to purchase said gear so they just get the almost free but better morai gear instead.

And btw @ last part that's what caster nirvana is for :P

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

It's called less demand.

A year ago, 2 years ago there were more people needing tt gear and needing to make nirvana gear. Now they have. There are still people they need those things, but not nearly as many and the supply of them has gone drasticly up. More supply + less demand = lower prices. It's simple economics. There are however other items that while there are alot more people needing, but hardly anyone providing which prices on have slowly been going up because of. But I won't tell you what those are cause I like my profits b:pleased

This, what you also could do is buy out the market and resell everything for higher prices, its what i do. The increase lasts for a week or so.

People should really try to do fc the old fashion way, meaning form a squad at lvl 70 for fc (hyperbabies yeah, i know but who will actually grind now?) take 1hr-2hrs to complete it. It feels good.. b:bye

As a person who farms everyday I would say you probaly just need to switch servers Idk bout on your server but on mine I easilly make 30-50mil a day farming and that comes into effect b4 I put the coin into shop to merchant it. If you are doing TT the ones I find most profitable are TT90 mats since its the most commonly made set for the ppl who can't straight up buy TT99.

peeps dont need tt anymore since everyone is in the 100's now. idk why anyone would do nirvy without 2x unless you're doing caster. but you can always sell pack items, they are crazy high priced now. and sell some fc heads, you can make some decent coin that way.

Before people was getting TT70 set, than TT80 set, than TT90 set cause they was lvling slowly with BH and was using the set for a while. Now people lvl 1-100 in a week, so they don't need to waste money on TT70-80-90 gears.

Man, all I can say is that GM's don't give a f*ck about free players in this game. I think they not even reading forum posts (except forum gm's).
P.S I know that my english is bad but I dont care...dsfgfjhhjkfgh

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't know what tt your farm, or what vana you do.

Last month, on sanctuary my cat shop made 160m from selling tt green mats, by doing 2~4 runs a day. That is not intensive farming at all, where people spend 4~8 hours farming tt, i just spend about an hour with friends, relaxing after studies, work.

I bought 1k canny the past month.

Nice fairy tale dude.

160M from GREEN TT mats?,by doing 2-4 runs a day WITH your friends?,that means only 1/3 or 1/2 of the drops goes to you,or even lower,and that's like 2 solo runs a day?,in just a month?

Seriously,I sell various lv.90+ green mats at lowest prices around,and I do have plenty of em,but I never get anywhere close to 160M a month,that's just ridiculous as the prices of most things doesn't even reach 500k x piece and the drop rates on 1x drop are as low as hell,and you claim that you can sell enough TT green mats with just 2-4 NON-SOLO runs a day in a single month?

On 1x drop a boss that drops decent TT green(not counting the trash green mats that can sometime drop for 4-5 units),drops about 1-2 green mats,assuming you sell for an average of 400k each(Which its already high as only few green mats reach/surpass that),and getting an overall average of 6 decent green mats per run(I am being optmistic),that's 2,4M -- considering you got to share with your "friends"(Unless you want to make us believe that friends run TT with you every day asking nothing),let's cut that by half so 1,2M per run,by doing 2-4 runs that's 2,4M-4,8M per day,assuming that you can sell everything every day we're talking a theoretical profit of 72-144M profit per month,always assuming you can sell everything and you get a quite good drops of 6 decent TT mats per run,and assuming these are all worth 400k at least,so kinda extremely unlikely to get 160M a month since there's just too little demand to sell all that stuff considering all rival sellers.

Nice fairy tale dude,Im not even believing 1/10 of it. b:bye

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is the standard issue go-to for throwing blame for something, even though the majority of what they get blamed for they have nothing to do with.
Isn't your server also plagued with people in WC who blame GM's for every little thing?

Its not rare here to see on WC players blaming GMs for getting chips for BH. b:surrender

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nice fairy tale dude,Im not even believing 1/10 of it. b:bye

We didn't split the money. 160m was total, which can be acquired because all of us can solo it. But we play together, and keep the money as whole until someone needs it. At present one friend is making a g15 weapon, so all the tt money goes to her, myself and the other friend don't care about the money, it comes and goes.

Ghost lord ribbon = 1m, gba = 800k, sorceress hand = 250k. In 3 runs, you get 3 ghost lord ribbon, 3 gba and 5 hands on average. That is 6.65m a dayx30 = crosses 180m close to 200m. I didn't add gold drops, because they are way too rare for us. Not a fairy tale, just pricing issues, and they do sell at those prices.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

uh actually players that doesn't cash shop or merchant have horrible time getting even Nirvana gear... try farm cannies on a non-high aps squad (as not well geared player),you will take months to get anything.

My point was to point out the general QQ that seems to be going on here. b:puzzled....

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Be ready to lower your prices a lot,because Im gonna farm hella a lot of those mats during next 2x -- way more than 2-4 runs a day.(I still don't believe you can sell all that stuff since market its so saturated).

Most people do, for some very odd reason, the past few 2x we had, ghost lord ribbon was not farmed. There were insane amounts of gba around, but hardly any ghost lord ribbon.

Try it out, get 2~4 ghost lord ribbon, sell for 900k~1m, they'll sell in one, two days. During 2x prices drop that is natural. They also pick up if 2x are spaced out far enough. Just have to time it right when to sell the bulk. I don't compete with other shops on prices, i just set up my shop and leave it on. It might take 1 week to 2 months, before mats start selling, i don't mind. TT mats is side money, in the sense we all work together to get something that one of us or all of us want. Very different from how most people play. They split money, mats, things like that. That is why we don't mind as long as items sell. Might change price to adjust to other, but no biggy, can't be stringent on these things. What i want to say basically, don't give up on tt during non 2x times, still farm it, do fewer runs, the income is still steady. When you have friends, the runs are fun, you joke around. Time passes quickly. Just make sure that bulk of mats are sold before the next big 2x arrives.

I know we are small fish in the pond of tt mats, others farmed 20~100 gold mats in the 2x, end point being, tt market is alive still b:victory. Enough for everyone to make a fair penny. Best money we made, we got 2 sorceress souls, that would be 10m usually for us, we made it into tt99 wrists, sold it for 21m, but that was back in the good old days when tt99 arms sold 20~30m for 2 sockets.

Problem is, some people(like me) for various reasons can't keep PC on all day to keep on a catshop,so they have to use Auction House(or direct sell stuff to really low price to catshops),and Auction House....its kinda bad for selling mats,so rather than selling mats I usually sell gear made from mats,but even putting it at the lowest price currently in AH(knowing that some people don't bother buy/craft mats or look at the many catshops),but even crafting whole TT90 sets every few days doesn't help much since most stuff remains unsold for several days if no more(again,at the lowest price).

So I guess I have to change my merchanting strategy \o\

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

now make so not only aps and r9 player can farm speedy and good....


what i mean make so ppl who dont wish to go aps melee to farm can make money by oping the skill set we get and we all happy......


why should aps be only way to decently farm anything melee

otherwise i dont give a damn about the qq becouse NOt everyone want to be aps to make money and by far we shouldent have to......


lets ask dev to make skill do 1000% over base damage so skill from melee can compete with aps b:victory

Agree...there are people that simply DO NOT want melee classes,they enjoy magic classes the most and they're very penalized on farming most instances out there.
The game's mechanic and the playerbase kinda "pressure" you to quit your magic toon and roll some aps fish/BM

Caster Vana helps but 1-2 runs at day(or more depending on BHs),doesn't makes counts even.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Its not rare here to see on WC players blaming GMs for getting chips for BH. b:surrender

how come nobody ever WC's "THANK YOU RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR [Excitement Card] ?"

I heard you could save 15% or more by switching your car insurance, a penny saved is a penny earned.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What do the GM's have anything to do with the market?....

what GMs has to do with pwi ?


ofc its GMs fault why we have empty servers with 90% of alts....if they ever listened to comunity or did something for player base, that wasnt affecting their wallets thing would be way diffrent

its no wonder private servers are counting more players then official ones

I haven't set foot in TT since they took fairy boxes out of 2-3 solo mode.

Actually selling the mats usually took a week or more if there were no shops buying them outright.

On HT when you get sockets for BH its a pain to hold on to them until the ONE shop that buys them decides to log in.

Same with Heaven's Tears if I'm not using them to get chi stones.

Regular Nirvana sucks. Casters sucks because it seems random when you can actually get a squad together. Some days there are like 8 different squads doing multi runs, most days you have to trade in your tali because its going to expire due to NO ONE (or at least no one you WANT to run it with) doing it.

Sadly one of the people that wcs for runs the has some of the saddest gear and lowest hp I've ever seen on a 100 toon. Their runs only have about a 50% success rate, which for casters is unacceptable.

The price you get for drops on HT from NV is very flux. Right after maint, its ****. Right before maint, it almost 60% more sometimes. It really blows my mind that people still want nirvana gear, or actually pay for the mats still.

Most people are 100 these days and can farm one of the NVs easy. There are literally thousands and thousands of cannys and raps available making it possibly the most over-saturated commodity in the entire history of the game and yet people still pay the high prices for them b:chuckle