How many AoEs do you have?

thumbs · June 2012

I might have pissed some venos off for asking this when they applied to RB squad I was making on Assassin.

Here's what I got:

4 said 2
1 said 2 human form 1 fox

The 5th veno that mentioned 3; I asked what they were missing: malefic, befuddling, or myriad? -they had befuddling and myriad so they got the spot. I was hoping a veno would say 5 or more (sage purge is aoe, but useless there anyway), and there's always genie skills.

-No need to downplay fox aoes either (they love to do this). I commonly get ~14k hits as pure mag in fox which is more than worth doing especially if your squad is weak. The accuracy debuff is nice for squishies, and Myriad's aoe armor/mind break is awesome. Malefic comes in more handy when chi aura is set.

Asking this question puts venos on the spot to use more aoes (never saw fox Myriad used so much by another veno).

Let's take that number 5 and see how an Assassin holds up, but lets ask them how many skills they use for RB instead. The answer I'm looking for again would be at least 5: Chill of the Deep, Power Dash, Wolf Emblem, Subsea Strike, and Earthen Rift (discounting Blood Paint). -If they can time that with a BM's HF (same cool down btw), and Tangling Mire (6th skill); they aren't bad for AoE. They also get a poison AoE from AEU, but at this time it's very rare.

I see all this hate for people who ask for weapon link by people that talk about skills. What I'm seeing too much of is lack of skills and lack of decent weapon. When someone takes the time to make, and pays on average about 100k to make an RB squad; they shouldn't get criticism for discriminating.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · June 2012

uhm from what I've heard the new sin aoe skill its pretty crappy

as most DoT skills.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · June 2012

For your question and what you expect as an answer, you're being very vague. AoE stands for Area of Effect. Chill of the Deep is a self buff skill that does not affect an area. Neither does Power Dash or Wolf Emblem.

The only "AoE" skills an Assassin has is BP (area of effect buff), Subsea Strike, Earthen Rift, and Toxic Torrent.

I wouldn't count genie skills as part of a class's "AoE" skills, as anyone can get genies.

@Berserk It's just a fan-shaped AoE that more or less is an auto attack on each of the mobs it hits. It doesn't hit harder than an auto attack. The good side is it's another damaging sin AoE skill, which raises it from 2 to 3. That's an extra potential zerk crit aoe to happen, and when timed with other debuff skills other players have, it can become an useful AoE.

Maelael - Heavens Tear · June 2012

As an AOE fanatic (Thanks EQ!), I can add a lot of opinions and such - but I don't understand your specific question on this?

(Also I love a good Veno who knows their class in RB. I've seen R8's take aggro over everyone at times)

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · June 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

For your question and what you expect as an answer, you're being very vague. AoE stands for Area of Effect. Chill of the Deep is a self buff skill that does not affect an area. Neither does Power Dash or Wolf Emblem.

The only "AoE" skills an Assassin has is BP (area of effect buff), Subsea Strike, Earthen Rift, and Toxic Torrent.

I wouldn't count genie skills as part of a class's "AoE" skills, as anyone can get genies.

@Berserk It's just a fan-shaped AoE that more or less is an auto attack on each of the mobs it hits. It doesn't hit harder than an auto attack. The good side is it's another damaging sin AoE skill, which raises it from 2 to 3. That's an extra potential zerk crit aoe to happen, and when timed with other debuff skills other players have, it can become an useful AoE.

Well OP did mention a change of asking sins how many "skills" not AoEs they use.

And I kinda don't really see a point to the contents of this thread being related to the topic name.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · June 2012

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well OP did mention a change of asking sins how many "skills" not AoEs they use.

And I kinda don't really see a point to the contents of this thread being related to the topic name.

While that's true, based on his question he asked the venos, as well as the topic's name, I just skimmed over what he posted and assumed he asked sins the same question.

Nonetheless I never had to answer these questions because I always run Delta with faction mates.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Meh, I purposefully take worldchat pugs in my squad just for amusement and because I like the diversity of people. b:chuckle

ResMePls - Heavens Tear · June 2012

I am trying t0 think 0f a resp0nse t0 this thread but I am really t0 dr0wzy t0 think.

thumbs · June 2012

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

uhm from what I've heard the new sin aoe skill its pretty crappy as most DoT skills.

You believe everything you hear?

ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php wrote:

Range Melee
Mana 81
Channel 0.4 seconds
Cast 0.9 seconds
Cooldown 30.0 seconds
Weapon Dagger

Requisite Cultivation Aware of Vacuity
Attacks enemies in an arc with a toxic wave,
inflicting base physical damage and poison.
Poison deals up to 9300 earth damage
over 30 seconds.

Costs 30 Chi

Base physical dmg +9,300 is pretty damn good.

For your question and what you expect as an answer, you're being very vague.

It's a topic; not a question I'm asking.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear · June 2012

I'm an AoE~

knightsdarksoul · June 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

The only "AoE" skills an Assassin has is BP (area of effect buff), Subsea Strike, Earthen Rift, and Toxic Torrent.

So basically we can sum up from this thread is , take a veno not a sin for RB since Sin's are the lesser of the two aoe classes

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · June 2012

Actually thumbs it only hits as hard as an auto attack. It's just a fan-shaped auto attack to all mobs in an area.

I enjoy using it. It's a 3rd damaging AoE for sins. The 9300 is the DoT part that doesn't really do much damage.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · June 2012

And r9 sins can hit pretty hard in delta due to GoF. Plus they can be the boss-killer as well.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · June 2012

I don't get how the sins poison DoT is earth..... it should be wood... but w/e.

On a related note. I AM the AoE of death

Maelael - Heavens Tear · June 2012

knightsdarksoul wrote: »

So basically we can sum up from this thread is , take a veno not a sin for RB since Sin's are the lesser of the two aoe classes

Not considerably true by far.

It depends on group makeup.

Ideally:

Cleric
BM
AOE DD
AOE DD
Whoever (Or a puller [BM, Barb, Seeker] if the BM sucks and you're doing aura)
Whoever

In a team with Seeker(s) for the AOE DD, Id take the Sin. BP plus being able to go after the ranged mobs is important. Also take into consideration that Sins can pull most of the waves reliably at Aura. Pull, not tank mind you.

In a team of Archers/Wizzies/etc, Id take the Veno. Provides sparks, amps, can handle long range mobs as well. Plus if the only melee there is the BM, BP is not a huge issue of consideration.

I've also been a fan of the Veno and Mystic combo for the last two slots. Ive seen a neat synergy with the two classes quite often.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · June 2012

People are still arguing about squad make up for delta?

It wasn't even that hard in TT90 gear. The only way to fail is if you get DC'd while porting in.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · June 2012

I remembering failing a full delta when our r9 wizzie dcd in the middle of wave 8 b:chuckle

But yeah for bh delta w 2 or 3 it's pretty hard to fail without having a computer error. On a bh once I had a bh for 2 and 3 dcd during the wave 2 boss came back right after it died but still got the wave 3 boss lol.

As for sins aoe vs veno aoes, sins have 2 attack aoes + the morai one that not many people have.

Veno's have 2 in human form +1 in fox form + myraids which yes don't do damage but if successful they can really increase everyone elses damage.

As for who has the most Psys b:victory

Fail_BM - Raging Tide · June 2012

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

But yeah for bh delta w 2 or 3 it's pretty hard to fail without having a computer error. On a bh once I had a bh for 2 and 3 dcd during the wave 2 boss came back right after it died but still got the wave 3 boss lol.

Once I also fail delta wave 2, with 2 seekers, because the didnt get weapons up to their lvl nor a good lvl vortex, my BM was taking aggro from both of them with his crappy TT99 +2 axes. It was the hardest delta run i ever had x_x

Doqui - Raging Tide · June 2012

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Meh, I purposefully take worldchat pugs in my squad just for amusement and because I like the diversity of people. b:chuckle

I do that to b:laugh

Try this one, make a warsong BH squad with a Cleric and add 4 randoms, then do the 15 min wait and when you can teleport tell the cleric to set BB in the center.

Then tele to metal and pull the whole lane on em and watch em die while you and the cleric roll on the floor laughing b:thanks

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · June 2012

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Once I also fail delta wave 2, with 2 seekers, because the didnt get weapons up to their lvl nor a good lvl vortex, my BM was taking aggro from both of them with his crappy TT99 +2 axes. It was the hardest delta run i ever had x_x

b:chuckle

I was once playing on my seeker, (only lvl 75 cause I don't play it much) and I started vortex, this was in a bh59 and we pulled all the bosses to the middle for the fun of it, and somehow my weapon unequipped after I started vortex and I was spinning around doing **** damage b:laugh

@Doqui that's sounds like fun

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

I do that to b:laugh

Try this one, make a warsong BH squad with a Cleric and add 4 randoms, then do the 15 min wait and when you can teleport tell the cleric to set BB in the center.

Then tele to metal and pull the whole lane on em and watch em die while you and the cleric roll on the floor laughing b:thanks

>_> I do that as it is if I know the squad can survive and just nuke the **** out of them.

Doqui - Raging Tide · June 2012

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

>_> I do that as it is if I know the squad can survive and just nuke the **** out of them.

only you and the cleric need to survive, the rest is there for amusement b:avoid

*evil Veno mode off*

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · June 2012

*Yawn* You wouldn't be spending 100k if you weren't asking for weapon links. It would be more like 25k. And the people in your squads contribution more than make up that cost. So cry me a river on your tele costs.

As far as skill usage world chatting about that over weapon linking is clearly a much better indicator of skill. If you just said weapon link and the first veno had pmed you and had a +10 weapon you would never even have had that better veno who knew more about the skills in your squad. IJS

thumbs · June 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*Yawn* You wouldn't be spending 100k if you weren't asking for weapon links. It would be more like 25k. And the people in your squads contribution more than make up that cost. So cry me a river on your tele costs.

Oh ignorant one: I rarely ask for weapon links and the replies to a RAINBOW squad I'm making where I state something like: "(Already have cleric, veno, sin) are; sin, sin, sin, sin, sin with weapon linked. QQ moar about weapon links pathetic troll.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · June 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Oh ignorant one: I rarely ask for weapon links and the replies to a RAINBOW squad I'm making where I state something like: "(Already have cleric, veno, sin) are; sin, sin, sin, sin, sin with weapon linked. QQ moar about weapon links pathetic troll.

I was responding directly to you.

thumbs wrote: »

I see all this hate for people who ask for weapon link by people that talk about skills. What I'm seeing too much of is lack of skills and lack of decent weapon. When someone takes the time to make, and pays on average about 100k to make an RB squad; they shouldn't get criticism for discriminating.

b:bye

thumbs · June 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I was responding directly to you.

b:bye

Don't they have summer school for kids like you?

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Another thread for tweakz to boost his abnormally big ego , not impressed at how he prides of himself and only , while there are good venos out there.

b:bye

Nymphali - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Venos have Noxious gas and Parasitic nova (costs 2 sparks) on human form and a fan like aoe plus Malefic Crush (costs 2 sparks) on fox form. Not worthy for a full magic veno to turn to fox to use to other 2 aoes since they will be too weak, so they rather fill up with other human form skills.

Venos also have two versions Myriad Rainbow which is AoE too but not much of an attacking skill, its an AoE random debuff which may cause from 0 to 4 debuffs: bleed, poison, zero def and zero mdef randomly.

thumbs · June 2012

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Another thread for tweakz to boost his abnormally big ego , not impressed at how he prides of himself and only , while there are good venos out there.

b:bye

Awesome point and so pertinent to the topic! Fails will be haters.

Azura - Lost City · June 2012

The 1st half of your post is very hard to understand, I don't understand what you are saying. I cant' say if you are complaining or asking for something. I only understand when you talk about the AoEs some classes have, and that apparently a veno got mad with you.

You should put more effort to try to communicate better your ideas.

This is the part that confuses me more:
"Here's what I got:

4 said 2
1 said 2 human form 1 fox"

Wth does that mean...?

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

The 1st half of your post is very hard to understand, I don't understand what you are saying. I cant' say if you are complaining or asking for something. I only understand when you talk about the AoEs some classes have, and that apparently a veno got mad with you.

You should put more effort to try to communicate better your ideas.

This is the part that confuses me more:
"Here's what I got:

4 said 2
1 said 2 human form 1 fox"

Wth does that mean...?

Well as a Veno, you should know venos have 5 aoe skills. 2 in human form and 3 in foxform.

I'll assume 4 venos said 2 skills (human form only) 1 veno said 3 skills 2 human and 1 of the 3 foxform ones. And Op was upset over the fact that too many people don't have / know all of their skills and how they work.

How many AoEs do you have?

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