DPH comparison :d

_Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

oops, its supposed to be DPS XD

In that case you'd be looking at around:

R9 - 44.9k DPS

G15 - 41.8k DPS

These are both against [?] bosses with average p.def. It's also without a Jones Blessing since you didn't add one.

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SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

its not? b:shocked

Pretty sure that means they're playing on a private server or an official version not hosted by PWE.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.
Also, adding a jones blessing would favor the G15s and bring the dps a little closer together.

Raw damage with a blessing I got:
R9 - 296591 dps
G15 - 287042 dps

So about 3.3% difference.

Actually, the numbers should be 312,611 and 301,925. Factoring Wolf Emblem when there's a difference in the crit rate is rather important. The difference goes to 3.5%.

Though that's not really all that you should consider. For example, R9 recast has 78,152 DPH whereas the G15 has 60,385, a difference of 29%.

Also, the G15 build that's presented here is silly at best. Due to the low pdef on R9 belt, you're only gaining mdef. As such, it would be a better option to use the Lionheart ornaments and swap your wrists and boots for G15 Nirvana, as that'd allow you to shard an additional 8 JoSD. The R9 belt itself isn't that amazing, it would be the 10 Defense Level set bonus from having 2 pieces that makes it useful, but without the weapon you won't get the set bonus. Plus, with 4 pieces of G15 armor, you get the option of swapping your cape for G15 for the 10 Defense Level set bonus, just like 2 pieces of R9. Especially since the cape used in the calc is Mantle of Radiance, which has no +str, thus no issues with the restats.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.

[?] bosses always have a 75% damage reduction due to their level.

P.def. reduction is around 35% on average (2140 p.def) on top of that, though I think I accidentaly took 28% in my other post.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.
Also, adding a jones blessing would favor the G15s and bring the dps a little closer together.

Raw damage with a blessing I got:
R9 - 296591 dps
G15 - 287042 dps

So about 3.3% difference.

and about 2b coins difference. Don't forget that b:chuckle

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

... People need to stop clinging to the "G15 needs GoF, -0.05 interval and +130 max to be superior to R9" as that is a big pile of ****. The person who claimed that wasn't using a fair comparison, not to mention they never bothered to check whether you could change the set of mods, nor were they using full DoTs for shards.

Oh and a G16 Nirvana would make a joke of R9 in most cases.

i think he's talking about r9 recast vs g15

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

... People need to stop clinging to the "G15 needs GoF, -0.05 interval and +130 max to be superior to R9" as that is a big pile of ****. The person who claimed that wasn't using a fair comparison, not to mention they never bothered to check whether you could change the set of mods, nor were they using full DoTs for shards.

Oh and a G16 Nirvana would make a joke of R9 in most cases.

It's true xD

What it REALLY boils down to is skill though tbh.

G13 can out DD R9 if played right and if the R9 plvled and knows nothing outside spark and auto attack.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

[?] bosses always have a 75% damage reduction due to their level.

P.def. reduction is around 35% on average (2140 p.def) on top of that, though I think I accidentaly took 28% in my other post.

Ah, thanks. I didn't realize the dmg reduction was that "clean" which is why i just use raw dps.

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

It's true xD

What it REALLY boils down to is skill though tbh.

G13 can out DD R9 if played right and if the R9 plvled and knows nothing outside spark and auto attack.

If its the same person playing the char, skill kind of is ruled out since its the same skill for both daggers. And I think most players compare daggers assuming they're maxing the efficiency of it. Granted better spark timing and avoiding stutter stepping with positioning on a boss, and just situational differences play a roll but for the most part a dps calc assumes those are equal player to player.

Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »

There are ways to increase DPS that a suprisingly large portion of sins don't do, at least on RT. APSing, as I said, isn't purely about sparking and auto attack.

anything else besides wolf emblem, dash and subsea? o:

There's a few reasons why a lot of sins don't use PD or Subsea.

For Subsea, there's Extreme Poison. Personally I prefer to use that, as comboing Extreme Poison with PD would get me more DPS than using Subsea.

There's also issues with speed and timing. A lot of BMs tend to HF when they see the sins spark. Using PD or Subsea here means you're pretty much wasting the HF. I also personally found that a lot of bosses simply die so fast that using either PD or Subsea tends to be a waste of 2 sparks.