DPH comparison :d

_Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide
_Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
edited June 2012 in Assassin
Hellu! was wondering if there's any1 out there that could calc the DPS (ignore the title <.<) on 2 of my pwcalcs to see which build gives most dmg, since I dunno how to ;x b:surrender

r9 recast; http://pwcalc.com/283fc0ad329c82a4

G15; http://pwcalc.com/83d75e2a3062dccf


Thank you in advance D:
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    So what do you want to know then? DPS or DPH? *points at thread title*

    If it's DPH then your R9 recast build will obviously win, don't even need to do any calculations for that.
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  • _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    oops, its supposed to be DPS XD
  • _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 562 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    If your thinking of endgame shouldnt you be comparing 3rd r9 with 3rd vana?
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    oops, its supposed to be DPS XD

    In that case you'd be looking at around:

    R9 - 44.9k DPS

    G15 - 41.8k DPS

    These are both against [?] bosses with average p.def. It's also without a Jones Blessing since you didn't add one.
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  • _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    _Mg_Zr - It's not available yet where I play, that's why I didn't compare those

    Nowitsawn - Thank you very much for this! I appreciate it.
  • Sneaker - Dreamweaver
    Sneaker - Dreamweaver Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    hiya guys sorry for posting here but i have a problem and i dont know how to start a new thread here on forums:(

    after doing delta i logged off ....when i logged on again all my toons were missing from log on screen


    any help on how to start a new thread would be greatly appreciated
    ty guys i hardly use forums but now i need help :(
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    _Mg_Zr - It's not available yet where I play, that's why I didn't compare those

    Nowitsawn - Thank you very much for this! I appreciate it.

    its not? b:shocked
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    its not? b:shocked

    Pretty sure that means they're playing on a private server or an official version not hosted by PWE.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    In that case you'd be looking at around:

    R9 - 44.9k DPS

    G15 - 41.8k DPS

    These are both against [?] bosses with average p.def. It's also without a Jones Blessing since you didn't add one.

    Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.
    Also, adding a jones blessing would favor the G15s and bring the dps a little closer together.

    Raw damage with a blessing I got:
    R9 - 296591 dps
    G15 - 287042 dps

    So about 3.3% difference.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.
    Also, adding a jones blessing would favor the G15s and bring the dps a little closer together.

    Raw damage with a blessing I got:
    R9 - 296591 dps
    G15 - 287042 dps

    So about 3.3% difference.

    Actually, the numbers should be 312,611 and 301,925. Factoring Wolf Emblem when there's a difference in the crit rate is rather important. The difference goes to 3.5%.

    Though that's not really all that you should consider. For example, R9 recast has 78,152 DPH whereas the G15 has 60,385, a difference of 29%.

    Also, the G15 build that's presented here is silly at best. Due to the low pdef on R9 belt, you're only gaining mdef. As such, it would be a better option to use the Lionheart ornaments and swap your wrists and boots for G15 Nirvana, as that'd allow you to shard an additional 8 JoSD. The R9 belt itself isn't that amazing, it would be the 10 Defense Level set bonus from having 2 pieces that makes it useful, but without the weapon you won't get the set bonus. Plus, with 4 pieces of G15 armor, you get the option of swapping your cape for G15 for the 10 Defense Level set bonus, just like 2 pieces of R9. Especially since the cape used in the calc is Mantle of Radiance, which has no +str, thus no issues with the restats.
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  • _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    SpazzMcAps - What Olbaze said~ XD and the reason I didn't add any blessing is because they aren't available either just like r9/nirv third cast.

    Olbaze - Yeah I was actually thinking about the G15 boots/wrist with JoSD instead, just wasn't sure which was better because of the 10 def levels with r9 but I forgot that I don't gain the 10 def lvls from the G15 build just like you say since it's the only piece I got.


    ~ thanks for everyones input once again
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.

    [?] bosses always have a 75% damage reduction due to their level.

    P.def. reduction is around 35% on average (2140 p.def) on top of that, though I think I accidentaly took 28% in my other post.
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  • Sneaker - Dreamweaver
    Sneaker - Dreamweaver Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    hiya guys can someone walk me how to start anew thread
    pls
    when i log on all my toons are missing new to forums sorry <((

    missing are my 105 wiz my 104 bm and my 104 sin pls help:(((

    yes .....alll the hard way
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wondering how you're calcing [?] bosses and pdef.
    Also, adding a jones blessing would favor the G15s and bring the dps a little closer together.

    Raw damage with a blessing I got:
    R9 - 296591 dps
    G15 - 287042 dps

    So about 3.3% difference.

    and about 2b coins difference. Don't forget that b:chuckle
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    and about 2b coins difference. Don't forget that b:chuckle

    ... People need to stop clinging to the "G15 needs GoF, -0.05 interval and +130 max to be superior to R9" as that is a big pile of ****. The person who claimed that wasn't using a fair comparison, not to mention they never bothered to check whether you could change the set of mods, nor were they using full DoTs for shards.

    Oh and a G16 Nirvana would make a joke of R9 in most cases.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... People need to stop clinging to the "G15 needs GoF, -0.05 interval and +130 max to be superior to R9" as that is a big pile of ****. The person who claimed that wasn't using a fair comparison, not to mention they never bothered to check whether you could change the set of mods, nor were they using full DoTs for shards.

    Oh and a G16 Nirvana would make a joke of R9 in most cases.

    i think he's talking about r9 recast vs g15
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i think he's talking about r9 recast vs g15

    which is.............


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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... People need to stop clinging to the "G15 needs GoF, -0.05 interval and +130 max to be superior to R9" as that is a big pile of ****. The person who claimed that wasn't using a fair comparison, not to mention they never bothered to check whether you could change the set of mods, nor were they using full DoTs for shards.

    Oh and a G16 Nirvana would make a joke of R9 in most cases.

    It's true xD

    What it REALLY boils down to is skill though tbh.

    G13 can out DD R9 if played right and if the R9 plvled and knows nothing outside spark and auto attack.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    What it REALLY boils down to is skill though tbh.

    No, it doesn't.

    If Dagger A out damages Dagger B on a person without skill, then Dagger A still out damages Dagger B on a person with skill.

    Actually, do you even need skill in APS DDing? Da fuq?
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    [?] bosses always have a 75% damage reduction due to their level.

    P.def. reduction is around 35% on average (2140 p.def) on top of that, though I think I accidentaly took 28% in my other post.

    Ah, thanks. I didn't realize the dmg reduction was that "clean" which is why i just use raw dps.


    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It's true xD

    What it REALLY boils down to is skill though tbh.

    G13 can out DD R9 if played right and if the R9 plvled and knows nothing outside spark and auto attack.

    If its the same person playing the char, skill kind of is ruled out since its the same skill for both daggers. And I think most players compare daggers assuming they're maxing the efficiency of it. Granted better spark timing and avoiding stutter stepping with positioning on a boss, and just situational differences play a roll but for the most part a dps calc assumes those are equal player to player.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No, it doesn't.

    If Dagger A out damages Dagger B on a person without skill, then Dagger A still out damages Dagger B on a person with skill.

    Actually, do you even need skill in APS DDing? Da fuq?

    There are ways to increase DPS that a suprisingly large portion of sins don't do, at least on RT. APSing, as I said, isn't purely about sparking and auto attack.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    There are ways to increase DPS that a suprisingly large portion of sins don't do, at least on RT. APSing, as I said, isn't purely about sparking and auto attack.

    anything else besides wolf emblem, dash and subsea? o:
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  • _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide
    _Tisiphone_ - Raging Tide Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    There are ways to increase DPS that a suprisingly large portion of sins don't do, at least on RT. APSing, as I said, isn't purely about sparking and auto attack.

    yup, makes me mad when I see sins that don't utilize their skills and just spark>aps XD

    my personal combo is wolf emblem>spark>IH>CT>PD >:D
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    There's a few reasons why a lot of sins don't use PD or Subsea.

    For Subsea, there's Extreme Poison. Personally I prefer to use that, as comboing Extreme Poison with PD would get me more DPS than using Subsea.

    There's also issues with speed and timing. A lot of BMs tend to HF when they see the sins spark. Using PD or Subsea here means you're pretty much wasting the HF. I also personally found that a lot of bosses simply die so fast that using either PD or Subsea tends to be a waste of 2 sparks.
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