Help with my sin please

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Loyal_One - Lost City
Loyal_One - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Assassin
Hey guys, i realize this is not the even close to being an endgame build. But this is my going to be my build once i reach 100. What do you recommend i go after next? I am going sage for sure. I plan on getting Warsoul of Earth, a lunar cape, and also refining everything eventually. Now i guess the main question is what should i go for first? And also what do you recommend at a sage sin? Nirvana Barrier thorns for the -.1 int? or any other recommendations? dont use pw calc to show me please, i have to check from my phone, so all advice please type out for me. TY

my build is http://pwcalc.com/e32d1024131fdac3
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  • Kuero - Harshlands
    Kuero - Harshlands Posts: 131 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    inb4ponies

    i dont have much experience with sage as i am demon but i can try and help, high int weapons would be best so going for a pangu and barrier thorns would be beneficial so you can windshield up to 5 aps
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    In order of priority:
    Warsoul of Earth
    Shadow Ashura Greaves
    Refines to +5-6
    Barrier Thorn: Nirvana
    Sign of Frost: Chaos
    Refines to +7-8
    Ancestral Divine Hat
    Pan Gu, Creator
    Refines to +9-10
    Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade

    Personally I'm looking like this right now. My refines aren't up to par just because there hasn't been any good refine sales recently.

    Ancestral Divine Hat and Energetic Robe: Lunar Glade have rather low priority in upgrading mostly because their greatest value is in higher refines, which is something you'll be something rather late. Pan Gu, Creator on the other hand costs a lot and 3.33 APS is plenty.
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  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    Lunar cape should be one of your last goals as the TM cape should do just fine. I would suggest just socketing the thing with the socket stones you get from your BH 100 when you get to it and shard an extra 2 citrines.

    and while typing this I realize oblaze had my whole item progression idea written down already..... you know what just read what he wrote.
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
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    BladedZero - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lunar cape should be one of your last goals as the TM cape should do just fine. I would suggest just socketing the thing with the socket stones you get from your BH 100 when you get to it and shard an extra 2 citrines.

    and while typing this I realize oblaze my whole item progression idea written down already..... you know what just read what he wrote.

    Of course I would. After all, it is me we're talking about here.
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  • Loyal_One - Lost City
    Loyal_One - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    ok thank you all for the help, and that list you made Olba is fantastic, thank you for that
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    go demon because sage spark dont boost aps like demon spark.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
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    Demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »
    go demon because sage spark dont boost aps like demon spark.

    Also add more Mag. so you can stay in stealth for longer.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »
    go demon because sage spark dont boost aps like demon spark.
    Go die in a hole because you dont know what you are talking about.
    i wish i had gone sage, i like the skills way more but i was a bit aps obsessed
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
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    Hellzbells - Harshlands wrote: »
    Go die in a hole because you dont know what you are talking about.
    i wish i had gone sage, i like the skills way more but i was a bit aps obsessed

    roll a caster u ****... and no way sin go mag, useless
  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »
    roll a caster u ****... and no way sin go mag, useless

    I have a sin, I killed you on him b:cute
    and yeah I did roll a caster. Im playing a psy got def lvls and fun. I kill people like you in white voodoo
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    Yay for Olbaze \o/
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    Only reason to go Demon with a sin: more APS early on.
    I went Demon and I really regret it. I'd respec to Sage if I hadn't been stupid and invested in several Demon skills already.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Only reason to go Demon with a sin: more APS early on.
    I went Demon and I really regret it. I'd respec to Sage if I hadn't been stupid and invested in several Demon skills already.

    You are in exactly the same mindset as me
    I almost bled out again
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
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    Hellzbells - Harshlands wrote: »
    You are in exactly the same mindset as me
    I almost bled out again
    Sucks don't it? -,..,-
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  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    account stashes are amazing things, only need to buy another set of R8 for my other sin b:laugh
  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sucks don't it? -,..,-

    Yeah bleeding isn't fun
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
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    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Only reason to go Demon with a sin: more APS early on.
    I went Demon and I really regret it. I'd respec to Sage if I hadn't been stupid and invested in several Demon skills already.

    Also gear versatility (because your gear gives you aps so you don't need to focus your gear around just that), better endgame weapons, more dps, more dph, longer stuns...
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
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    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also gear versatility (because your gear gives you aps so you don't need to focus your gear around just that), better endgame weapons, more dps, more dph, longer stuns...

    You say that like Sages have to get to 4.0 base or they're ****. And that they somehow cannot use Rank 9.

    Funny thing is, I've seen a 2.86 R9 Sage do things I've never seen anyone else do. Similarly, the notoriously famous instance of Assassin herb farming was done with 3.33 sparked APS.

    Arguing DPS and DPH is kinda redundant since any Assassin still has more DPS than the any similar BM.

    The stuns/sleep/interrupt are only really applicable if you plan to PvP.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You say that like Sages have to get to 4.0 base or they're ****. And that they somehow cannot use Rank 9.

    Funny thing is, I've seen a 2.86 R9 Sage do things I've never seen anyone else do. Similarly, the notoriously famous instance of Assassin herb farming was done with 3.33 sparked APS.

    Arguing DPS and DPH is kinda redundant since any Assassin still has more DPS than the any similar BM.

    The stuns/sleep/interrupt are only really applicable if you plan to PvP.

    the herb farming was pretty impressive
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
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    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You say that like Sages have to get to 4.0 base or they're ****. And that they somehow cannot use Rank 9.

    Funny thing is, I've seen a 2.86 R9 Sage do things I've never seen anyone else do. Similarly, the notoriously famous instance of Assassin herb farming was done with 3.33 sparked APS.

    Arguing DPS and DPH is kinda redundant since any Assassin still has more DPS than the any similar BM.

    The stuns/sleep/interrupt are only really applicable if you plan to PvP.

    Pretty sure the same things the 2.86 R9 +12s sages on our server the 4.0 R9 +12 demon's can do.

    Not to mention the herb farming video is of a demon sin. Because he's R9 3.33 demon he out DD's any sage, and as I said above, the reason he dropped to 3.33 is because he changed his ornies to a G16 cube neck to kill harpy because the demon spark allows gear versatility while maintaining high aps and perma spark.

    I agree, it becomes a bit of moot point when we are talking the difference between 150k sage dps and 3% paint vs 215k demon dps and 2% paint because both are still really high damage outputs and bloodpaint heal rates.

    As I said before, I went demon because I liked demon skills better and I believe survivability stops being a real issue in any instance around +8 - +10. I've gotten **** for saying this before but sage paint is only worth something when demon paint isn't already keeping your hp completely full. In otherwords if I'm taking 5k damage a second and I'm healing 9k damage on demon paint it doesn't really matter which I use, right? Same thing with sage spark. So for me, looking at super endgame, defensively I'm fine with either culti. Offensively, I'm also fine with either culti, just demon has more growth. And I like the demon skills better.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Pretty sure the same things the 2.86 R9 +12s sages on our server the 4.0 R9 +12 demon's can do.

    Not to mention the herb farming video is of a demon sin. Because he's R9 3.33 demon he out DD's any sage, and as I said above, the reason he dropped to 3.33 is because he changed his ornies to a G16 cube neck to kill harpy because the demon spark allows gear versatility while maintaining high aps and perma spark.

    I agree, it becomes a bit of moot point when we are talking the difference between 150k sage dps and 3% paint vs 215k demon dps and 2% paint because both are still really high damage outputs and bloodpaint heal rates.

    As I said before, I went demon because I liked demon skills better and I believe survivability stops being a real issue in any instance around +8 - +10. I've gotten **** for saying this before but sage paint is only worth something when demon paint isn't already keeping your hp completely full. In otherwords if I'm taking 5k damage a second and I'm healing 9k damage on demon paint it doesn't really matter which I use, right? Same thing with sage spark. So for me, looking at super endgame, defensively I'm fine with either culti. Offensively, I'm also fine with either culti, just demon has more growth. And I like the demon skills better.

    I thought you could only permaspark at 4.0+
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
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    Hellzbells - Harshlands wrote: »
    I thought you could only permaspark at 4.0+

    you can almost perma-spark at 4 if you use inner harmony
    with 1 use of RDS you can almost perma-spark at 3.33 and with 2xRDS you can almost permaspark at 2.89
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
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    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Pretty sure the same things the 2.86 R9 +12s sages on our server the 4.0 R9 +12 demon's can do.

    Not to mention the herb farming video is of a demon sin. Because he's R9 3.33 demon he out DD's any sage, and as I said above, the reason he dropped to 3.33 is because he changed his ornies to a G16 cube neck to kill harpy because the demon spark allows gear versatility while maintaining high aps and perma spark.

    3.33 R9 +12 Demon: 232,204 dps
    4.0 G15 +12 Sage: 232,330 dps

    I deliberately lowered the quantity of DoTs until the DPS numbers were identical. Harpy Wraith is actually one of the cases where Sage Wolf Emblem shows its superiority. Also, the Sage gets the freedom to shard DoTs simply because they get higher effective life due to their spark. Of course, the Sage does have notably lower defenses. But then again I could've just given the sage three piece of recast R8 and skipped the ornaments.

    And besides, my point wasn't even that. Soloing Harpy Wraith can and should be considered the greatest soloing achievement in the game, considering the difficulty. The fact that cheze is deliberately lowering his APS in favor of defense levels is pretty the best proof as to the argument about APS leading to Demon being superior being moot. Also notably I've heard 2.86 R9 +12 Sages doing teh same thing.
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  • Hellzbells - Harshlands
    Hellzbells - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
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    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you can almost perma-spark at 4 if you use inner harmony
    with 1 use of RDS you can almost perma-spark at 3.33 and with 2xRDS you can almost permaspark at 2.89

    oh guess i didnt remember correctly
  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
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    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Funny thing is, I've seen a 2.86 R9 Sage do things I've never seen anyone else do..
    Referring to Empu or NightWiing?
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
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    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Referring to Empu or NightWiing?

    The former.
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
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    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The former.
    I've seen him in action three times; Blackhole, Aba, and Seat. He never ceases to amaze me.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
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    Typhyse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've seen him in action three times; Blackhole, Aba, and Seat. He never ceases to amaze me.

    He also regularly dual logs with his barb for buffs and BH when he soloes Metal.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
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    I think Empu should start making videos :O I would love to see a solo metal bh.
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  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
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    r u people stupid by regretting demon? dnt u realize u won't get better crit with sage!?

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